Who should start Week 1?

Assuming Brissett is healthy, who do you WANT to start week 1 and who do you think WILL start?


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cshea

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It sounds to me like he's going to start Brissett.

The comments only really make sense if he's planning to start a guy who might not give them the best chance to win week one, in the long term interests of the team. Maybe I have it all wrong and everybody believes that guy who doesn't give them the best chance is actually Maye. But given the very optimstic reports about Maye's progress and impression on his teammates over the last couple weeks, and also what they've each shown in pre-season, I would think that the general feeling within the building is that Maye gives them a better chance to win. So the short/long term disjuncture only makes sense if its Brissett to start the season.
Yeah, in the context of "Drake outplayed Jacoby" I think this is correct.

However, I do think it could be interpreted as Brissett gives us a better chance to win today but long term is Drake so we'll let him take his lumps now so he's better off in the coming weeks.

I do think it's Brissett either way but Mayo isn't great with the media. He should've just left it as he's telling the team tomorrow, I'll let you know the decision after that.
 

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Mayo has to understand being honest doesn't mean you have to give granular detail over the decision making process. "We've chosen a starter but that won't be communicated publicly until I have a chance to announce it to the players". Done. Why expand on it?
Hopefully he learns that he can be pleasant/respectful yet give them nothing if that suits the team best. Sure, the reporters won’t be happy with that, but they probably won’t hate his guts if he isn’t a prick about it. Look at Andy Reid, he’s mild-mannered and pleasant in pressers while feeding the media shit day after day where he deems it appropriate.
 

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Mayo has been HC for what, 6 months or so? I think some of you need to give him a bit of a learning curve when giving statements to the press. I mean, there are no classes on this.
 

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Jacoby got the #1 work in the portion of practice that was open today. I think it's likely they stick with the plan and barring injury we see Jacoby for the first few weeks.
 

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Jacoby got the #1 work in the portion of practice that was open today. I think it's likely they stick with the plan and barring injury we see Jacoby for the first few weeks.
Feels reasonable and I’m good with that plan, if this is decided. They’re not winning many games the first month no matter who is at QB.
 

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The first four games are tough. Jacoby is going to get his ass kicked, he will earn his $8 million. I don’t want to see Maye crushed by Nick Bosa. Settle the OL situation and let the kid learn on the back end of the schedule.
 

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I don’t believe that I have even close to enough of the relevant information to make such a decision, but this is a weak team and my sense is that Maye offers the best shot at stealing a couple of games, which is why I want to see Brissett start.
 

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Mayo has been saying all summer that it’s a competition, and by all accounts Maye has outperformed Brissett, but Mayo’s comments today sure sounded like a guy who’s about to name Brissett the starter.

If there’s one thing we learned from BB, it’s that handling the media is a vastly overrated skill for an NFL head coach. So long as you have the owner’s backing, you can feed the media shit without consequence; the fans will judge you by wins and losses regardless.

My only concern is the locker room. If Mayo has been hitting the same notes there as he has in public, naming Brissett the starter may not sit well. But if the locker room is more plugged in than us and figured it was Brissett’s job to lose all along, it’s not like Maye has played so well that the team will be disgruntled about the decision.
 

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Mayo has been saying all summer that it’s a competition, and by all accounts Maye has outperformed Brissett, but Mayo’s comments today sure sounded like a guy who’s about to name Brissett the starter.

If there’s one thing we learned from BB, it’s that handling the media is a vastly overrated skill for an NFL head coach. So long as you have the owner’s backing, you can feed the media shit without consequence; the fans will judge you by wins and losses regardless.

My only concern is the locker room. If Mayo has been hitting the same notes there as he has in public, naming Brissett the starter may not sit well. But if the locker room is more plugged in than us and figured it was Brissett’s job to lose all along, it’s not like Maye has played so well that the team will be disgruntled about the decision.
I don't know where this keeps coming from. Brissett has been the #1 every single practice all camp, that tells the team he is the starter, and that says that they think he is better right now. The OC has said Brissett is ahead of Maye publicly. Brissett also was the clear starter in every preseason game, Maye didn't get a single shot at the starting gig. The only thing that says Maye has outperformed is one dumb quote from Mayo, who it's pretty clear at this point is the opposite of Bill in that he is constantly just talking out his ass at all times then figure out what he meant later and correct it.

Edit- Mayo may have said it's a competition, but nothing at all about how they handled it was how a competition usually goes, they ran it out exactly how you do if you have a vet starter on a short deal with a promising rookie you want to work in eventually.
 
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I don't know where this keeps coming from. Brissett has been the #1 every single practice all camp, that tells the team he is the starter, and that says that they think he is better right now. The OC has said Brissett is ahead of Maye publicly. Brissett also was the clear starter in every preseason game, Maye didn't get a single shot at the starting gig. The only thing that says Maye has outperformed is one dumb quote from Mayo, who it's pretty clear at this point is the opposite of Bill in that he is constantly just talking out his ass at all times then figure out what he meant later and correct it.

Edit- Mayo may have said it's a competition, but nothing at all about how they handled it was how a competition usually goes, they ran it out exactly how you do if you have a vet starter on a short deal with a promising rookie you want to work in eventually.
Mayo saying it was a competition was not really wrong. The reality was that Maye would have to look really, really good in camp to be trusted with the reins. Unlike 2021, the incumbent starter did what he needed to do to keep his starting job (likely).

I think Mayo was less talking out of his ass rather than just acknowledging a point that everyone could see. The correct thing to have done was to say nothing when asked. But I don't think what he said in a press conference in August is going to matter much at this point.
 

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i get your point, but who’s actually distracted?
I’d love to hear that a HC had a deal with his locker room where he’s like, “Don’t listen to any of the noise with the media, it doesn’t mean anything… Literally. See, I’m actively lying to them.” And then he can sprinkle in all sorts of insane shit and see what happens. Yeah, there’s a QB competition, sure. Also, we’re scripting all the plays for the first three quarters on both sides of the ball. We’ve got the linemen on a paleo vegan diet with an emphasis on seeds. All the linebackers do a group forgiveness meditation before each game. The secondary wears tactical underwear developed by DARPA. Think Belichick pissed all over the media? Next level. Just destroy the possibility of meaningful news coverage altogether.
 

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I voted Maye/Maye but it's probably going to be Brissett sadly. If Maye can't play QB in the NFL then they shouldn't have drafted him. Of we're a LT away from competent like play then they should have done what they needed in the draft to get the top LT and dealt with QB next year. If he can't play, then he should find some kind of injury and not waste a roster spot. Milton can fail at least as well as Brissett and the more losses, the better.

On the other hand, if he's not the mentally inept player most here are expecting, then experience and evaluation for an entire season seems like the best path for him to grow and learn. How many college backup QBs were drafted? Maybe sitting on the bench doesn't actually make you the best QB you can be?
 

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I’d hate to be JB. Mayo says it’s an open competition. Gives Maye no chances with the first team and against first team defenses. Then, Mayo says Maye has outplayed JB. Then, names JB as the starter.
 

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what happens if they get off to a bad start? Maye should play! You said he outperformed JB anyways. What if there’s real reasons why they don’t want to throw Maye in early which I think makes sense? But now we have a full blown qb controversy. Mayo is inviting all this by talking too much and not seeming decisive. This isn’t to say he is indecisive. He might be actually decisive . But he’s inviting controversy. He could’ve said JB is our guy and Maye will be good but needs more time to learn and grow and he’ll be fine. And, then, if you feel you should insert him in week 7 or whatever fine. Instead, we have they are neck and neck and even though Maye performed better we are going with JB. Doing it the way Mayo has done can actually end up hurting both QB’s confidence.
 

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This is becoming a reality game show or something. Tomorrow is the big reveal can’t wait!

and I think what bothers me the most is this isn’t a playoff team. Like I’d get it if they were and you’re really trying to squeeze out wins each week to gain the wild card. But you suck. You’re rebuilding.
 

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what happens if they get off to a bad start? Maye should play! You said he outperformed JB anyways. What if there’s real reasons why they don’t want to throw Maye in early which I think makes sense? But now we have a full blown qb controversy. Mayo is inviting all this by talking too much and not seeming decisive. This isn’t to say he is indecisive. He might be actually decisive . But he’s inviting controversy. He could’ve said JB is our guy and Maye will be good but needs more time to learn and grow and he’ll be fine. And, then, if you feel you should insert him in week 7 or whatever fine. Instead, we have they are neck and neck and even though Maye performed better we are going with JB. Doing it the way Mayo has done can actually end up hurting both QB’s confidence.
This is all true, particularly because we haven't seen enough of Mayo to parse his comments. He comes across as either confused, not on the same page as his OC, or just a loose talker who doesn't put enough thought into what he says and what the fans/media will try to make of that.
 

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This is all true, particularly because we haven't seen enough of Mayo to parse his comments. He comes across as either confused, not on the same page as his OC, or just a loose talker who doesn't put enough thought into what he says and what the fans/media will try to make of that.
I think it’s been pretty clear since day 1 that he’s just a loose talker who doesn’t put enough thought into how fans and talk radio will parse his comments.
 

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I’d love to hear that a HC had a deal with his locker room where he’s like, “Don’t listen to any of the noise with the media, it doesn’t mean anything… Literally. See, I’m actively lying to them.” And then he can sprinkle in all sorts of insane shit and see what happens. Yeah, there’s a QB competition, sure. Also, we’re scripting all the plays for the first three quarters on both sides of the ball. We’ve got the linemen on a paleo vegan diet with an emphasis on seeds. All the linebackers do a group forgiveness meditation before each game. The secondary wears tactical underwear developed by DARPA. Think Belichick pissed all over the media? Next level. Just destroy the possibility of meaningful news coverage altogether.
I'd play for that team.
think it’s been pretty clear since day 1 that he’s just a loose talker who doesn’t put enough thought into how fans and talk radio will parse his comments.
Should he care about what anyone other than his boss and the players think?

Caring about what "talk" radio thinks seems to be the express lane to unemployment. Actually tailoring your words to it, is like grocery shopping based on your concerns that the bagger will rag on your choices.
 
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Should he care about what anyone other than his boss and the players think?

Caring about what "talk" radio thinks seems to be the express lane to unemployment. Actually tailoring your words to it, is like grocery shopping based on your concerns that the bagger will rag on your choices.
Fair. But that doesn’t preclude other bigger problems.
To be clear, I'm not necessarily casting judgement, nor denying other problems. It's just been kind of obvious that he speaks his mind in the moment, which leads to some inconsistencies and therefore confusion. Obviously BB didn't give a shit what anyone thought of what he said either, he just went in the opposite direction of not saying anything.
 

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To be clear, I'm not necessarily casting judgement, nor denying other problems. It's just been kind of obvious that he speaks his mind in the moment, which leads to some inconsistencies and therefore confusion. Obviously BB didn't give a shit what anyone thought of what he said either, he just went in the opposite direction of not saying anything.
Ahh...gotcha.
 

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It’s official… Brissett is the week 1 starter. Per multiple sources…


Now official: #Patriots coach Jerod Mayo informed players in a team meeting that Jacoby Brissett is the starting QB, while Drake Maye will be his backup.

Brissett told @nflnetwork in August, “I'm the perfect person to mentor the guys, but I'm also the perfect person to start”
 

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Possibly a stupid question, but if the pats priority right now is developing Drake Maye and not necessarily winning football games, is there any reason not to plan for Maye also playing a few series each game? Like not just in a 4th quarter blow out but tie game in 3rd quarter - go see what thats like, Drake. if its an actual plan to develop him by introducing him to different game situations in a somewhat controlled manner. gradually increase the number of snaps he gets as season goes on. basically treat the season like extended preseason. unconventional but whats the downside?
 

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Possibly a stupid question, but if the pats priority right now is developing Drake Maye and not necessarily winning football games, is there any reason not to plan for Maye also playing a few series each game? Like not just in a 4th quarter blow out but tie game in 3rd quarter - go see what thats like, Drake. if its an actual plan to develop him by introducing him to different game situations in a somewhat controlled manner. gradually increase the number of snaps he gets as season goes on. basically treat the season like extended preseason. unconventional but whats the downside?
I think it comes down to gameplanning and practice reps. They do have very different strengths as QBs (Maye's physical gifts vs. Brissett's league tenure), so you're not gonna dial up a bunch of intermediate to long throws with JB at the helm. A few commenters have mentioned the limits on practice time, and whenever we hear of a young QB being thrust into the starting lineup due to injury, there's always a ton of catchup to be played because there just isn't time to sync him with the other starters. I do think if JB shows up with weak performances early on that we'll see Maye get subbed in, even outside of a blowout. Let's say 17-7 late in the 3rd, with JB under 50% passing with a couple of turnovers. I think they'll give Maye the chance.
 

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Possibly a stupid question, but if the pats priority right now is developing Drake Maye and not necessarily winning football games, is there any reason not to plan for Maye also playing a few series each game? Like not just in a 4th quarter blow out but tie game in 3rd quarter - go see what thats like, Drake. if its an actual plan to develop him by introducing him to different game situations in a somewhat controlled manner. gradually increase the number of snaps he gets as season goes on. basically treat the season like extended preseason. unconventional but whats the downside?
If he comes into the 3rd quarter of a tie game an puts together two scoring drives to win it, good luck going back to Brissett the following week.
 

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This is perfectly fine. Sure I want to see Maye play, but I certainly can wait until they feel it's the right time. As has been said, this team is not contending this season.

The real struggle for Mayo with the media is going to be when Brissett plays at the level he always has. First bad game(likely series) and people are going to be calling for Maye.

As we all know, the best player on the team is the backup QB when your starter struggles and not many are top 3 picks.

Pressers will certainly be interesting judging by what we have seen from Mayo with them.
 

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This is perfectly fine. Sure I want to see Maye play, but I certainly can wait until they feel it's the right time. As has been said, this team is not contending this season.

The real struggle for Mayo with the media is going to be when Brissett plays at the level he always has. First bad game(likely series) and people are going to be calling for Maye.

As we all know, the best player on the team is the backup QB when your starter struggles and not many are top 3 picks.

Pressers will certainly be interesting judging by what we have seen from Mayo with them.
That's certainly a corner you back yourself into when you talk about how the position will be decided based on Jacoby's performance, when it's very clear to everyone, including Brissett, that it hinges on Maye's development.
View: https://twitter.com/ByAlFrancisco/status/1829136182086705513
 

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The best way to repay Jacoby for the sacrifice he's going to make for the team for however long he starts before turning over the position to Drake would be to trade him if/when some other team comes calling looking for a QB to step in when their starter goes down. Because there are several teams he could be starting for, any of which would be a better situation than the one he finds himself in here.
 

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There's probably 3 AFC teams where Jacoby would be a debatable QB1 upgrade. Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Las Vegas. Maybe TEN if Levis bombs out? In the NFC, the Giants and Minnesota?

Someone will get hurt though.
 

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Seems like Patriots fans are melting down already, i dont think it's a big deal because i think Brissett is going to get hammered and will be hurt within the first handful of games.
 

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The odds of Brissett playing so well deep into the year that it precludes replacing him when they feel it makes sense given the teams trajectory, Brissett’s performance, and Maye’s progression is extremely low. Plus, if they’re 3-9 in November and Maye is as ready to go as he’s gonna be without facing live play, you can easily bench Brissett at that point from a political perspective.
 

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Possibly a stupid question, but if the pats priority right now is developing Drake Maye and not necessarily winning football games, is there any reason not to plan for Maye also playing a few series each game? Like not just in a 4th quarter blow out but tie game in 3rd quarter - go see what thats like, Drake. if its an actual plan to develop him by introducing him to different game situations in a somewhat controlled manner. gradually increase the number of snaps he gets as season goes on. basically treat the season like extended preseason. unconventional but whats the downside?
For players, The priority should always be winning games. 30% of them may not even be on the team next year. I think if you aren’t focused on winning games your going to lose the team real quick
 

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There's probably 3 AFC teams where Jacoby would be a debatable QB1 upgrade. Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Las Vegas. Maybe TEN if Levis bombs out? In the NFC, the Giants and Minnesota?

Someone will get hurt though.
Out of those Minnesota feels like the only one that would make sense in a trade, Levis would have to be really awful. Cleveland has too much money tied up in Watson to bench him at this point, Pittsburgh has another decent backup QB, and Las Vegas isn't good enough to warrant trading for a new QB
 

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This out-of-stater will be going to his 1st-ever Pats game Week 1 (always thought tix were unnecessarily expensive), so I selfishly wanted to see Maye, but this is the right move IMO.
 

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Out of those Minnesota feels like the only one that would make sense in a trade, Levis would have to be really awful. Cleveland has too much money tied up in Watson to bench him at this point, Pittsburgh has another decent backup QB, and Las Vegas isn't good enough to warrant trading for a new QB
Cleveland certainly would not bench Watson, but they'd probably be better with Brissett. Ditto the Steelers, the Raiders, and the Giants, and possibly the Titans and the Vikings. Whether or not they'd trade for him in season is a different question than whether or not they'd be better with him as their starter now.
 

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The best way to repay Jacoby for the sacrifice he's going to make for the team for however long he starts before turning over the position to Drake would be to trade him if/when some other team comes calling looking for a QB to step in when their starter goes down. Because there are several teams he could be starting for, any of which would be a better situation than the one he finds himself in here.
Perfect use of resources as well. Turn Jacoby into future picks once Maye is somewhat comfortable. Probably need to add a backup at that point because Milton.
 

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The best way to repay Jacoby for the sacrifice he's going to make for the team for however long he starts before turning over the position to Drake would be to trade him if/when some other team comes calling looking for a QB to step in when their starter goes down. Because there are several teams he could be starting for, any of which would be a better situation than the one he finds himself in here.
In-season QB trades are so very rare. It's not like you can just plug him in and away you go. I don't expect Brissett to get traded. But this team will have a fire-sale.
 

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I pretty much agree with cshea's list above. And that list gets longer if a team's starter gets hurt, because Jacoby's better than most of the league's current backups.
I don't agree. If there were several options for him that were better, I don't think he would have signed here.
 

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Pretty much all of their pieces who could gather some interest have signed recent extensions here.
Wise and J. Jones are their only semi-attractive expiring deals, then you’ve got Bourne, who signed an extension but could be a target for a contender (eg, 49ers) who find themselves in a bind by Halloween or so. Not exactly the kindling for a ‘fire sale,’ I agree.
 

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I don't agree. If there were several options for him that were better, I don't think he would have signed here.
If you look at all those situations, there were reasons why he didn't. For instance, he would be in a better situation in Cleveland or with the Giants, but they wouldn't sign him because for now they are committed to Watson and Jones. Also, back in March when he signed with the Pats, it was far from clear that the Giants would be a better situation than any team, or the Pats situation would be as bad as it is. In fact, a number of people here and in the media thought the Pats might be a better team than they're likely to be now, with a defense capable of keeping them in games and an offense that just had to be semi-competent to add enough victories to perhaps allow them to sneak into contention for a playoff berth. But then came the draft, injuries (Barmore, chiefly), and the dealing away of Judon, which was a clear sign that the management of the team has a much more realistic view of this team's prospects for the coming season.
 

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Wise and J. Jones are their only semi-attractive expiring deals, then you’ve got Bourne, who signed an extension but could be a target for a contender (eg, 49ers) who find themselves in a bind by Halloween or so. Not exactly the kindling for a ‘fire sale,’ I agree.
They will be trading off any pieces they can at the deadline. Candidates that we don't think of currently may pop up as well.
 

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If you look at all those situations, there were reasons why he didn't. For instance, he would be in a better situation in Cleveland or with the Giants, but they wouldn't sign him because for now they are committed to Watson and Jones. Also, back in March when he signed with the Pats, it was far from clear that the Giants would be a better situation than any team, or the Pats situation would be as bad as it is. In fact, a number of people here and in the media thought the Pats might be a better team than they're likely to be now, with a defense capable of keeping them in games and an offense that just had to be semi-competent to add enough victories to perhaps allow them to sneak into contention for a playoff berth. But then came the draft, injuries (Barmore, chiefly), and the dealing away of Judon, which was a clear sign that the management of the team has a much more realistic view of this team's prospects for the coming season.
Ah, I see now you were saying "could" as in "could be in the future". I took it as there are several teams he could be starting for now. Yes, in the future there very well could be a better situation.
 

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For players, The priority should always be winning games. 30% of them may not even be on the team next year. I think if you aren’t focused on winning games your going to lose the team real quick
This shouldn't be undersold. By the math, the average NFL game is around 5 times as important as an NBA/NHL game and 10 times as important as an MLB game. And with 53 players and non-guaranteed contracts (for the most part), it is a cut-throat business. Which is why I think the Maye era will be sooner rather than later. I could easily see an 0-3 start after the Jets game with pedestrian performances by Jacoby and despite playing the Niners next any idiot will see that, hey, the rookie will have 10 days of preparation and this is as good a time as any to transition the offense.
 
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Wait, we're getting multiple picks for Jacoby when we trade him? What is happening here? He'll play a handful of weeks, he'll mentor after that, and pretty much NO ONE is going to give the team anything for a(n admittedly useful-ish) JAG like Brissett beyond MAYBE a conditional 6th/7th, and IMO that's a best-case.
 

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I think that Mayo has less to worry about impatient ownership that he does impatient fans. And I'm really hoping that he doesn't worry about them either.
 

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There's probably 3 AFC teams where Jacoby would be a debatable QB1 upgrade. Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Las Vegas. Maybe TEN if Levis bombs out? In the NFC, the Giants and Minnesota?

Someone will get hurt though.
Come on, Jacoby isn't better than Jameis.

Wait, oh.