Who should start Week 1?

Assuming Brissett is healthy, who do you WANT to start week 1 and who do you think WILL start?


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It’s funny: I chose Brissett as my preference to start, I expected Brissett to be the starter, but I’m disappointed that Maye will not be the starter. And yet I don’t feel like there is any contradiction here.

It really just underscores my excitement for the future that Maye brings. And I’m good with that for now.
 

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I wanted Maye, I thought it would be Maye but I'm ok with it being Brissett. The writing was on the wall all offseason with Jacoby taking the practice reps with the 1's. Mayo teased us a little but ultimately this was plan starting in March. They're just sticking to it even though Maye has shown some really quick development.
 

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The best way to repay Jacoby for the sacrifice he's going to make for the team for however long he starts before turning over the position to Drake would be to trade him if/when some other team comes calling looking for a QB to step in when their starter goes down. Because there are several teams he could be starting for, any of which would be a better situation than the one he finds himself in here.
He signed here, eyes wide open about the QB situation. I don't think the Pats are in any obligation or hurry to trade him now.
 

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They gave Jacoby $8 million dollars so that the kid that they drafted wouldn’t have to play right away. He was always going to start week 1. They just don’t throw $8 million bucks around like frisbees down there.
 

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Wanted and expected Brissett but didn’t anticipate Maye showing as strongly as quickly.

I’m still holding the line though because I don’t think the Patriots offensive line can (right now).

It’s gonna be a car crash until they stabilize, and brutal as it is, part of that $8 million for Brissett is high risk duty.
 

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They gave Jacoby $8 million dollars so that the kid that they drafted wouldn’t have to play right away. He was always going to start week 1. They just don’t throw $8 million bucks around like frisbees down there.
Jacoby is 31st in the NFL QBs in terms of the 2024 contract. They gave him barely nothing. Drake Maye has a higher average annually salary (9.15 million) than Jacoby's 8 million.

For QBs, they throw 50 million around like frisbees in the NFL.(Tua, Goff, Love, Kyler, Trevor, etc) 8 million is an afterthought.
 

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They gave Jacoby $8 million dollars so that the kid that they drafted wouldn’t have to play right away. He was always going to start week 1. They just don’t throw $8 million bucks around like frisbees down there.
If that's the rationale, it's a really bad one, and yeah, I do think you're right. It was never an actual competition.
 

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If that's the rationale, it's a really bad one, and yeah, I do think you're right. It was never an actual competition.
It was only going to a competition if Jacoby look lost/washed or Maye came in and just blew the doors off. Neither of those things really happened so I think they decided to stick with the plan and not rush anything.
 

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It was only going to a competition if Jacoby look lost/washed or Maye came in and just blew the doors off. Neither of those things really happened so I think they decided to stick with the plan and not rush anything.
He kind of did though, he was terrible in the little preseason we saw.

As i said there is no need to get worked up one way or the other because Brissett will be getting injured and Maye will be forced to play sooner more likely than later imo.
 

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He kind of did though, he was terrible in the little preseason we saw.

As i said there is no need to get worked up one way or the other because Brissett will be getting injured and Maye will be forced to play sooner more likely than later imo.
Brissett barely played in the actual games. So we are mostly relying on media reports on how he did in practice. Which were mixed. So I wouldn’t say he looked terrible or washed.

He may yet be washed. Just saying well really need to wait until the real games start to know either way.
 

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He signed here, eyes wide open about the QB situation. I don't think the Pats are in any obligation or hurry to trade him now.
Brissett seems to me like one of these guys who really gets it. He knows he doesn't have the absolute top-flight skills and he understands that below average NFL quarterback is actually a pretty sweet gig, all things considered. And understanding that and happily rolling with it makes him perfect for this highly specific situation.
 

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Belichick says you can’t use preseason games to assess QB performance because there are no schemes. And that the preseason is good for rookies to see NFL size and speed and for coaches to assess players ability man vs. man.

Thus, I say Jacoby. Would hope to see Maye in a few weeks after the offensive line and other offensive positions are more settled.
 

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While talking every other day about how it was an open competition? To what ends?
Because it could have been Maye's job had the unexpected happened. There was really no downside to call it an open competition this year. If Brissett sulked as a result he would have been cut or traded.
 

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Lowkey thing that makes me laugh--some of the local reporters are upset that the national guys got a heads up on the decision. I understand, but it's still funny to me--these guys likely all thought "BB is gone, this is gonna be so much better!" and they're already upset.
 

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Because it could have been Maye's job had the unexpected happened. There was really no downside to call it an open competition this year. If Brissett sulked as a result he would have been cut or traded.
I think this is right. Also, "open competition" doesn't mean "They will only be evaluated on what happens right now, without regard to past, present or future considerations," which is how I think it was interpreted. It was open in the sense that Maye had a chance. But he had to be orders of magnitude better than Brissett to get the job. Which is fine. Mayo uses words, so they get parsed to the nth degree. Belichick made himself un-parsable.
 

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Lowkey thing that makes me laugh--some of the local reporters are upset that the national guys got a heads up on the decision. I understand, but it's still funny to me--these guys likely all thought "BB is gone, this is gonna be so much better!" and they're already upset.
One of the radio shows yesterday mentioned the volume of money passing back and forth between the league and its broadcast partners…lotta bs on sports radio for sure, but that made a lot of sense for who gets scoopage.
 

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Because it could have been Maye's job had the unexpected happened. There was really no downside to call it an open competition this year. If Brissett sulked as a result he would have been cut or traded.
Disagree. If there wasn’t a real competition, and I don’t think there was, claiming the opposite causes credibility loss across the spectrum of team/player/media for no good reason. This isn’t State Secrets level trust or anything, but I don’t think Mayo benefited from being seen as either feckless or even disingenuous.
 

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I want to defend Mayo here. He was in a tough situation. Maye did look better than Jacoby in the last 2 exhibition games. But they are exhibition games, you don't see the other team's starters for the most part and teams are not running their sophisticated schemes on offense and defense. I noticed that NE receivers for the most part were not going in motion in the last game. Don't you think Mike McDaniel has something new cooked up for 2024? The regular season game is complicated and I am pleased that Maye will get a chance to learn it by watching. Is he ready to audible or call out protections? We have no idea, we just know he has great physical tools.
 

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Calling it a "competition" does not just mean it's on the field stuff. Maye could outplay Brissett and still not win the competition, because Brissett had such a head start.
 

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One thing I haven't seen people bring up are the amount of high quality practice reps Maye will miss due to not being the starter. This isn't the off-season anymore, Brissett will now get the vast majority of snaps during the week in preparation for the upcoming games.
 

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One thing I haven't seen people bring up are the amount of high quality practice reps Maye will miss due to not being the starter. This isn't the off-season anymore, Brissett will now get the vast majority of snaps during the week in preparation for the upcoming games.
Hopefully one or two of the team’s myriad of assistants can find some time out of their extremely busy days to work with Maye on individual drills and other impromptu sessions with willing teammates and practice squad players.
 

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Hopefully one or two of the team’s myriad of assistants can find some time out of their extremely busy days to work with Maye on individual drills and other impromptu sessions with willing teammates and practice squad players.
Sure, but the sentiment is that he's not ready to handle playing against real life situations with complicated plays on both offense and defense. Side sessions with assistants aren't going to help with many of that. There have been a couple of good examples of how not playing can be better for him than playing in the various conversations on the topic, but mostly it seems the thought is that he will just magically get better by being on the sidelines. Other than having more time to learn a new language/play book and being able to work on specific skills like footwork, there seem to be to be more reasons for him to play or not even be active on game day at all than to hold a clipboard on the sidelines.
 

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Sure, but the sentiment is that he's not ready to handle playing against real life situations with complicated plays on both offense and defense. Side sessions with assistants aren't going to help with many of that. There have been a couple of good examples of how not playing can be better for him than playing in the various conversations on the topic, but mostly it seems the thought is that he will just magically get better by being on the sidelines. Other than having more time to learn a new language/play book and being able to work on specific skills like footwork, there seem to be to be more reasons for him to play or not even be active on game day at all than to hold a clipboard on the sidelines.
Side sessions can help with footwork. Being on the sidelines can certainly help him with learning the playbook. He could also benefit from being the scout team QB. Just need to debunk the concept that all he’ll ever be doing is holding a clipboard.
 

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Side sessions can help with footwork. Being on the sidelines can certainly help him with learning the playbook. He could also benefit from being the scout team QB. Just need to debunk the concept that all he’ll ever be doing is holding a clipboard.
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Side sessions can help with footwork. Being on the sidelines can certainly help him with learning the playbook. He could also benefit from being the scout team QB. Just need to debunk the concept that all he’ll ever be doing is holding a clipboard.
The concept isn't that "all he'll be doing is holding a clipboard", but that by not starting he won't be in position to learn as much as he could if he were the starter. If it's about learning and developing, preparing to play during the week and then actually playing are much better for him than mimicing Josh Allen on the scout team and having side sessions with a QB coach to work on his footwork. Now, if he's simply not ready to play at this point, then sure, no use playing him.
 

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Hopefully one or two of the team’s myriad of assistants can find some time out of their extremely busy days to work with Maye on individual drills and other impromptu sessions with willing teammates and practice squad players.
Greer was talking today about how Mahomes’ rookie year he’d usually be the scout team QB and get no reps. He took it upon himself to find some friendly younger receivers etc. (No Alex Smith guys like Hunt, Hill etc.) and after practice have those guys basically replay the offensive practice with him at QB.
 

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Greer was talking today about how Mahomes’ rookie year he’d usually be the scout team QB and get no reps. He took it upon himself to find some friendly younger receivers etc. (No Alex Smith guys like Hunt, Hill etc.) and after practice have those guys basically replay the offensive practice with him at QB.
Sounds like shitty coaching to me.
 
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Sure, but the sentiment is that he's not ready to handle playing against real life situations with complicated plays on both offense and defense. Side sessions with assistants aren't going to help with many of that. There have been a couple of good examples of how not playing can be better for him than playing in the various conversations on the topic, but mostly it seems the thought is that he will just magically get better by being on the sidelines. Other than having more time to learn a new language/play book and being able to work on specific skills like footwork, there seem to be to be more reasons for him to play or not even be active on game day at all than to hold a clipboard on the sidelines.
Game day action is important but I think you are giving it more weight than it needs at this stage in his development. There are still many flaws in Maye's game that he needs to work on and a lot of them can be best worked on when not seeing live action or even just constant side sessions (footwork for example). Perhaps the strategy is to focus on those aspects while they try to find a flow with the rest of the offence and when the time is right they will make a switch.

I find the idea that the only place for a QB to learn is taking QB1 reps and in game action to be ludicrous when many successful QBs (including Brady) have said they felt sitting made them better.
 

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Does anybody think that Mayo’s own goals are not aligned with Maye’s development as a QB?
 

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Greer was talking today about how Mahomes’ rookie year he’d usually be the scout team QB and get no reps. He took it upon himself to find some friendly younger receivers etc. (No Alex Smith guys like Hunt, Hill etc.) and after practice have those guys basically replay the offensive practice with him at QB.
And Mahomes also said that he didn't have a clue how to read defenses in his second year (first year as a starter). Seems like he didn't learn all that much just by watching.
 

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This is pretty interesting. Rookie QBs are generally pretty bad.

View: https://twitter.com/ASchatzNFL/status/1830601159280857582


To further Bryan's comment here, a list of the 18 rookie QBs who have put up positive passing DVOA (min 200 passes)

82 McMahon
83 Marino
98 Manning, Batch
03 Leftwich
04 Big Ben
08 Ryan
11 Dalton, Newton
12 Wilson, RG3
15 Winston
16 Dak
17 Watson
18 Mayfield
20 Herbert
21 Mac Jones
23 Stroud

(Fewer rookie QBs had positive DVOA before 2000 in part because rookie QBs played less before 2000.)


Some of those are decidedly nothing special (Batch, Leftwich, Winston, and the worst of them all, Mac)

Maye is pretty obviously less prepared to start than Mac was 3 years ago, as low-ceiling a guy as Mac is.