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Third base (surprise!) is a problem for the Sox again. Pablo Sandoval is coming back, reportedly hitting off a tee as of yesterday. Marco Hernandez, his primary replacement, has been hitting a BABIP-inflated .276/.300/.328 and there's no indication that he has the hit tool to stick as a full-time third baseman in the majors. By fWAR, Hernandez and Sandoval are 37th and 42nd among listed third basemen in the majors right now. While their counting stats have been hindered by effectively splitting time due to Sandoval's injury, their cumulative fWAR is negative, so it's hard to argue with their replacement-level ranking. With Hernandez down, it looks like the Sox are giving those at-bats to Josh Rutledge and Deven Marrero. There's not a whole lot of reason to expect more from those guys than what Hernandez was already giving them, since they're all basically limited utility guys.

It seems like the Red Sox best option is to hope that Pablo can contribute when he returns. But let's assume that he can't. What are their other options? The first hope is Brock Holt returning to form, but the details around his vertigo are murky at best. Since he wasn't playing while he was "healthy", I'm not expecting anything from
him this season. So what's available outside the organization?

Kelly Johnson, who didn't last terribly long with the Red Sox a few years ago, is still a free agent. He had a decent partial season last year, although no one should expect him to repeat it. Projections have him as a replacement level player and he has no discernible split for his career, so it's hard to argue that he'd be an
improvement over what the Sox already have.

Todd Frazier has struggled out the gate but the power is still there and a return to a normalish (for him) BABIP of ~.240 would bring him up to average offensively, which is a bit better than replacement level. The White Sox are playing well right now, but they aren't projected to contend this year. A lot depends on how they play leading up to the break. I wouldn't expect Frazier to be traded before then.

Mike Moustakas also has one year remaining, is younger than Frazier, and has played pretty well so far this season. Moustakas lost most of last year with a torn ACL but has been fairly healthy otherwise. He's a Boras client and it seems very unlikely that the Royals will give him a long term contract. It seems likely that a healthy Moose gets an offer of >$50M this offseason so the Royals are weighing any trades against the return on a qualifying offer. He's a big-time pull hitter, which could be a problem in Fenway. He'd also cost a bit, but worth keeping an eye on anyways.

Ryan Schimpf is a three true outcomes guy who has been a minor league journeyman most of his career. He's losing playing time to Cory Spangenberg. I don't know if the Padres would entertain moving him, or if the Red Sox should even consider a trade with the Padres again, but he'd be an interesting (if enormously frustrating) option.

Other than that, it looks pretty rough out there. Maybe a post-injury play for Adrian Beltre? Seems unlikely. Josh Harrison might be a possibility if the Pirates fall out of it.

Boy, this was less encouraging than I hoped.
 

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Devers is an option, though I don't think they want to "Wilton Veras" him. As a 20 yo in AA he's slashing .322/.359/.586 in 87 ab, though with only 5 bb. He doesn't turn 21 until October. I'm sure they don't want to bring him up yet though. Maybe mid-August if he's still OPS'ing in the 900+ range? Might get a taste of AAA in July if he's still hitting this well.

An interesting, off-the-board-type guy might be Jeimer Candelario who's in AAA in the Cubs system. It would probably have to be a prospect-for-prospect swap, which are pretty rare, plus it's uncertain how he and Devers would both fit in the system going forward, but he's 23, a switch hitter, and slashing .326/.426/.630 in 92 ab with 16 bb. He's hit equally well against RHP and LHP. Not sure about his defense, but he's obviously blocked with Bryant and Rizzo in Chicago, so they've got to be looking to move him.
 

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It seems like the Red Sox best option is to hope that Pablo can contribute when he returns.
This was never really a "best" option going in to the season, and still isn't today. I mean at some point you have to look beyond the forced optimism possibly and call it a spade. Pablo's career is essentially over the moment we finally pull the plug (defense isn't going to play at 3B anymore, the bat won't play at 1B/DH, and he's not making any benches). Riding out our sunk cost in the offseason and failing to bring in another guy who actually had extensive 3B experience is one thing. You don't spend the next couple months doing that though in what is playing out to be more of a dogfight then we had initially anticipated going in.

Here is to hoping DD goes out and makes the fill in trade he either couldn't find or didn't want to bother with this winter. Preferably for somebody not still learning to play the position on the job, and sooner rather then latter.
 

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I don't want to see them give up more prized prospects to land a temporary 3b. Maybe trading Dalbec + could work for a half-season of Moustakas, because if Devers is the 3b of the future, Dalbec is blocked. Dalbec is their 4th rated prospect (soxprospects.com) so him plus something lesser might be enough to get it done. But it's not like Moustakas will help much in the field. Four errors already (.932 fielding percentage), so we'd have to live with that.

Still.... it would be a major improvement on the whole. Right now, Sox' 3b have put up a slash line of .221/.264/.336/.601. By MLB rank:

Avg: 26th
OBP: 28th
SLG: 27th
OPS: 28th

Essentially one of the very worst 3b by production in all of major league baseball. You could live with it if (a) the rest of the offense was going full guns, and (b) the defense played at 3b was stellar.

Sadly, until two days ago, the Sox' offense was completely dormant, and right now they have the worst fielding percentage at 3b in all of baseball (.840). They've made 12 errors at 3b in just 31 games, which projects to 63 errors at 3b for a full season. Which would obviously be ridiculous.

Moustakas would help a little on defense (already mentioned), and his offense would be a significant upgrade, even if his spray chart isn't so Fenway-friendly.

The problem is that I think that teams may hold DD hostage for a lot more than Dalbec in order to upgrade the 3b position in Boston. And I don't want to completely gut the farm system for a temporary fix. Last year they won the division and had the best offense in the AL with godawful production from 3b. So if everyone else is doing what they are supposed to be doing, the Sox could survive a black hole at 3b.
 

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I don't want to see them give up more prized prospects to land a temporary 3b. Maybe trading Dalbec + could work for a half-season of Moustakas, because if Devers is the 3b of the future, Dalbec is blocked. Dalbec is their 4th rated prospect (soxprospects.com) so him plus something lesser might be enough to get it done. But it's not like Moustakas will help much in the field. Four errors already (.932 fielding percentage), so we'd have to live with that.
The thing with Dalbec is that he strikes out a ton. So the question is, will he be able to minimize that enough to make enough contact for his excellent power to play in games? If he does, he could easily shift to 1st should Devers take his place at 3rd. If not, his bat won't be likely to play anywhere. Granted, his arm would be wasted at 1st, but since they currently don't have a solid answer for the position long term, having him move over if both he and Devers pan out does make sense. Or they could trade him for a greater return at that point.

Either way, I'm not sure packaging him for a half season of a mostly cooked third baseman is even a remotely good use of him as a resource. They need to give him a chance to develop first.
 

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The thing with Dalbec is that he strikes out a ton. So the question is, will he be able to minimize that enough to make enough contact for his excellent power to play in games? If he does, he could easily shift to 1st should Devers take his place at 3rd. If not, his bat won't be likely to play anywhere. Granted, his arm would be wasted at 1st, but since they currently don't have a solid answer for the position long term, having him move over if both he and Devers pan out does make sense. Or they could trade him for a greater return at that point.

Either way, I'm not sure packaging him for a half season of a mostly cooked third baseman is even a remotely good use of him as a resource. They need to give him a chance to develop first.
Yep not gonna disagree with you. But if the Sox are looking to trade for a 3b fix, it's going to cost them. At least with Dalbec, they have Devers for 3b and Travis for 1b down the road. In other words... Decent other options.
I'm in the camp that says, let's hope the rest of the offense does its job and all we ask is that the 3b don't commit an error every other game and it will probably be ok. I don't want to sink much into a deal for a temporary fix at 3b, even if it's a big help this year.
 

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What are their other options? The first hope is Brock Holt returning to form, but the details around his vertigo are murky at best. Since he wasn't playing while he was "healthy", I'm not expecting anything from
him this season. So what's available outside the organization?
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I think What is going to stick at 2nd, so I think the only answer is I Don't Know.
 

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I'm in the camp that says, let's hope the rest of the offense does its job and all we ask is that the 3b don't commit an error every other game and it will probably be ok. I don't want to sink much into a deal for a temporary fix at 3b, even if it's a big help this year.
^This. Talking about third base is great but if the other positions don't start producing a mediocre third base option (which is what everything mentioned is, including Moustakas) isn't going to be what turns this team into a breakaway favorite. As much as it sucks to watch this team flounder at the plate, the best play is to not overreact and trade away more chips and let things play out. Hopefully Price is able to return by month's end and Holt can return and provide something, and at least help this team keep pace with the others until the ASB when it can better be assessed if Devers can make the leap. If not there will still be time before the trade deadline to make a move and hopefully more teams will be looking to make moves and the cost won't be as prohibitive.

Hopefully the small surge the last two games is a sign of things turning around and this team can carry the dead weight at 3b, because neither Pablo or Hernandez can be counted on to provide anything.
 

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This was supposed to be the last year of the Royals' "window," but their horrendous start (10-20) has dashed any realistic hopes of another playoff run. Dayton Moore probably won't make any moves before Memorial Day, but he won't hesitate to pull the trigger on a fire sale if KC remains out of contention -- he has plenty of goodwill with the fan base, which understands the hard realities of being a small-market club. Lorenzo Cain and Eric Hosmer will be the real prizes in such a fire sale, but Moustakas will move too -- he's unlikely to fetch a comp pick even if he catches fire in the second half, so DM might as well take what he can get. He's not going to be a transformative add for the Sox, but he'd be an upgrade on the replacement-level production they're currently getting, and the price may well be reasonable.
 

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Moustakas makes tons of sense. And the price should be reasonable given that it doesn't look like any of the contenders have short-term needs at 3B, and that Todd Frazier will also be available.
 

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I think you can take Frazier off the table. The White Sox are playing pretty well and they got him to be there for the rebuild while their studs develop. He had a really nagging flu for a week plus which has hurt him.

The biggest issue is that the Red Sox will have a difficult time coming up with any sort of package that could beat what other teams can offer unless they (foolishly) give up one of two of their blue chippers. It is not a good system when 3 of your top 10 guys are 1B/DH only do not project as much more than an even average regular if all breaks right . Travis only this year cracked the top 100 prospect list.

Chavis is really the only major upside guy and he's had a hot few weeks only which we saw last year as well. Everyone else is low minors.

I would hold steady and not give up multiple B prospects for a year or two stop gap.

Edit: Didn't realize Dalbec was playing 3B.
 
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So let's look at the in-house options.

Jantzen Witte is currently at .322 .429 .869 at the Bucket. Not on the 40-man. Is he worse than what's currently on the 25? I don't know, but I can't imagine he'd be worse offensively than Marrero, even if lost an arm and a leg on the trip north.

Matt Dominguez is having a rough go at Pawtucket. .208 .276 .549 and in a 1 for 30 streak with no walks. However, the guy has 42 MLB home runs, and was once considered a real major league player. Can he be toast at age 28?

Mike Olt is at .218 .295 .642 in Portland. That's not very exciting, but once again, he he that much worse than what we have playing?

We don't have much to trade. Why not try these guys first? If one of them catches fire for a while, maybe Brock Hold won't be dizzy on the other side of it.
 

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I think you can take Frazier off the table. The White Sox are playing pretty well and they got him to be there for the rebuild while their studs develop. He had a really nagging flu for a week plus which has hurt him.
The White Sox are 15-15, it's only a matter of time before the Indians run away with the Central and it's pretty damned hard to imagine the White Sox really competing with the AL East teams, as their roster is pretty much bad, their top prospect is a 3B and ready for the big leagues this year and Frazier is a FA at the end of the year.

If he's not available, the White Sox are stupid.
 

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The White Sox are 15-15, it's only a matter of time before the Indians run away with the Central and it's pretty damned hard to imagine the White Sox really competing with the AL East teams, as their roster is pretty much bad, their top prospect is a 3B and ready for the big leagues this year and Frazier is a FA at the end of the year.

If he's not available, the White Sox are stupid.
I need to stop posting today. I thought he had another year.
 

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So let's look at the in-house options.

Jantzen Witte is currently at .322 .429 .869 at the Bucket. Not on the 40-man. Is he worse than what's currently on the 25? I don't know, but I can't imagine he'd be worse offensively than Marrero, even if lost an arm and a leg on the trip north.

Matt Dominguez is having a rough go at Pawtucket. .208 .276 .549 and in a 1 for 30 streak with no walks. However, the guy has 42 MLB home runs, and was once considered a real major league player. Can he be toast at age 28?

Mike Olt is at .218 .295 .642 in Portland. That's not very exciting, but once again, he he that much worse than what we have playing?

We don't have much to trade. Why not try these guys first? If one of them catches fire for a while, maybe Brock Hold won't be dizzy on the other side of it.
The guys we have stink in the majors but yes I'm pretty sure Rutledge and d'Arnaud are better than a guy OPSing 642 in Portland or a guy OPSing 549 in Pawtucket. I don't know anything about Witte, his numbers look good this year and they aren't awful through his career but more games at first than third and the overall lack of any buzz around him makes me question him.
If Moustakas and Frazier are available for spare parts later in the year then sure but for the next little bit we are going to have to deal with the guys that are on the roster.
 

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I'm of the camp that if we are going to fix the problem let's fix it permanently. But I actually think we ought to just go with what we've got for the next month or so...at least until we see what Panda has left.

A permanent fix might be Nolen Arenado for Andrew Benintendi. Yes I know this hurts and I like Andrew...a lot. And yes I know Devers is on the way but he is not a sure thing. We need more right handed power in the lineup and good third base defense. Nolen gives us both. We roll with Chris Young in left...but that weakens the outfield offense and defense.
 

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I need to stop posting today. I thought he had another year.
In your defense, the White Sox are exactly the kind of organization to overreact to sort of being contenders ahead of schedule and not complete the overhaul of the organization that the team really needs. So you might be right, but only because the White Sox are wrong :).
 

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A permanent fix might be Nolen Arenado for Andrew Benintendi. Yes I know this hurts and I like Andrew...a lot. And yes I know Devers is on the way but he is not a sure thing. We need more right handed power in the lineup and good third base defense. Nolen gives us both. We roll with Chris Young in left...but that weakens the outfield offense and defense.
Why would the Rockies do that -- especially one for one? Do they have a 3B in their pipeline to replace Arenado? If not, wouldn't any package they ask for include Devers?
 

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Problem is it looks really bad right now. But we've got 3 guys if they can shake the lingering injury issues should provide replacement level or + (wishful) for the season. If 2 of the 3 of Panda/Rutledge/Holt are healthy, its not that bad. I'm not a fan of having Marco over there, mainly because he's cut his teeth on middle IF and just hasn't looked comfortable defensively. Beni is going no where. For a million reasons, but mainly a permanent fix at third isn't needed with Devers doing what he's doing. Permanent ETA for him is 2018 as I feel he's still too young to make the same jump Beni did. But I wouldn't rule it out even though he's 4 years under the AA standard age. But X did the exact same thing at the exact same age, so who knows.
 

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So who else would be in the market for Moustakas/Frazier? Mets? Cardinals?
 

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^This. Talking about third base is great but if the other positions don't start producing a mediocre third base option (which is what everything mentioned is, including Moustakas) isn't going to be what turns this team into a breakaway favorite. As much as it sucks to watch this team flounder at the plate, the best play is to not overreact and trade away more chips and let things play out. Hopefully Price is able to return by month's end and Holt can return and provide something, and at least help this team keep pace with the others until the ASB when it can better be assessed if Devers can make the leap. If not there will still be time before the trade deadline to make a move and hopefully more teams will be looking to make moves and the cost won't be as prohibitive.

Hopefully the small surge the last two games is a sign of things turning around and this team can carry the dead weight at 3b, because neither Pablo or Hernandez can be counted on to provide anything.
How much of an overreaction would it really be though? The offense taking an overall step backwards at best this year was already fairly predictable going in. Even more so in regards to Pablo's comeback being a complete bust. DD already played the wait things out card at 3B. The lotto #'s got announced and we didn't hit that long shot jackpot.

This roster's window is now, regardless if it's looking like more of a dogfight then the breakaway favorites we had hoped to be. It is also not like the current construction is all the flexible either, at least in terms of going out and realistically digging up better overall options. I mean you basically have 3B screaming out "improve here!"...and that's kinda it.
 

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At this point I just want them to find someone that can field the position. Extra outs and pitches are game killers. I would rather have Marrrero or d'Arnaud hit .200 and field the position than watch the other guys hit .250 and kick everything that comes their way. I wouldn't make a trade of valuable assets in the short term as Devers looks like a keeper who could take the position as early as next year.
 

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I'm of the camp that if we are going to fix the problem let's fix it permanently. But I actually think we ought to just go with what we've got for the next month or so...at least until we see what Panda has left.

A permanent fix might be Nolen Arenado for Andrew Benintendi. Yes I know this hurts and I like Andrew...a lot. And yes I know Devers is on the way but he is not a sure thing. We need more right handed power in the lineup and good third base defense. Nolen gives us both. We roll with Chris Young in left...but that weakens the outfield offense and defense.
Holy shit that is terrible.....Arenado has an road OPS 150 points lower.....if watching Tulowitzki be terrible in
Toronto doesn't scare you then you're crazy.
 

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I hope David Freese would be trade target #1 and hopefully the Sox should be able to get him for a package of decent prospects that doesn't completely destroy the future value of the system.

That extra year of control is huge. Because although Devers appears to have a 2018 arrival date, I would suggest it's a late 2018 date, if not 2019. That gives him 1 year in AA and at least another full one in AAA, which given his low BB rate and relative youth, I think should be afforded him. He would still hit the major leagues at 22-23.
 

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I hope David Freese would be trade target #1 and hopefully the Sox should be able to get him for a package of decent prospects that doesn't completely destroy the future value of the system.

That extra year of control is huge. Because although Devers appears to have a 2018 arrival date, I would suggest it's a late 2018 date, if not 2019. That gives him 1 year in AA and at least another full one in AAA, which given his low BB rate and relative youth, I think should be afforded him. He would still hit the major leagues at 22-23.
I don't think he sees a full year of AA. I think at the minimum, he gets moved up to AAA this summer. Not saying he arrives here, but I think if he keeps up his current pace, they won't need to see 250 AA AB's to make the move, not with the way he finished the year last year.
 

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I'm of the camp that if we are going to fix the problem let's fix it permanently. But I actually think we ought to just go with what we've got for the next month or so...at least until we see what Panda has left.

A permanent fix might be Nolen Arenado for Andrew Benintendi. Yes I know this hurts and I like Andrew...a lot. And yes I know Devers is on the way but he is not a sure thing. We need more right handed power in the lineup and good third base defense. Nolen gives us both. We roll with Chris Young in left...but that weakens the outfield offense and defense.
I love Arenado but that is just silly. Dombrowski was interviewed the other day and the NESN guy said are you considering going after another bat (it was before the two game outburst). DD said, essentially, no, if you did that, who would you take off the field from the current Sox lineup? In other words, he likes what the Sox are. Also, Colorado is 20-12, so they're going to trade their best player, who is still just 26 for a rookie? I know everybody expects the Rockies to fold, but their management has to believe someday they won't. I give that trade 0.0001% chance of happening. Oh what the hell, 0.01%.
 

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Holy shit that is terrible.....Arenado has an road OPS 150 points lower.....if watching Tulowitzki be terrible in
Toronto doesn't scare you then you're crazy.
But this year he has a reverse home/road split! I'm half kidding, but to be fair, lots of guys on the Sox have big home/road splits, because Fenway has traditionally been a hitter's paradise as well, especially for a RHH. He also looks great by metrics like wRC+ which takes park effects into account, unlike raw OPS. Also, Arenado gets a lot of his value by being one of, if not THE, best 3B in the game, which plays anywhere.
 

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Hell if I know what to do about 3rd base. (but considering the size and depth of the hole, a trade for someone who is only a little below average shouldn't cost much, and would be an improvement).
But I do know the thread title is awesome.
 

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In a discussion of Benintendi for Arenado, it's the Rockies who say no first, not the Sox. The Rockies already have David Dahl, their rookie Outfielder who they like as much as the Sox like Benintendi (and check out his numbers from last year, in a similar number of at bats to Benintendi), plus Tapia, one of their top prospects knocking on the door, and Blackmon, Desmond, Parra, and Cargo.

He's also the face of a franchise that is starting to win and enter what they believe is their contention window. He's virtually untouchable unless the Sox want to overpay (maybe Benintendi and Groome gets their attention).
 

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Yeah that was a crazy trade proposal that has gotten way too much of a response.
The Sox aren't trading for a long term solution at third when they have what looks to be one in AA and based on S&Rs information the Rockies would have no interest in the trade either.
I'm about the last person who should be playing thread police but it is time to move on from that post.
 

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Jantzen Witte is currently at .322 .429 .869 at the Bucket. Not on the 40-man. Is he worse than what's currently on the 25? I don't know, but I can't imagine he'd be worse offensively than Marrero, even if lost an arm and a leg on the trip north.
Here's the Soxprospects writeup on Witte, FWIW: "Third baseman with a solid arm and good glove work but below-average range. Loopy swing. Intelligent and hardworking. Great teammate."

Two worrisome things about that Pawtucket line: the .429 BABIP and the 22.5% K rate. Not a terrible K rate in itself, but for a 27-year-old in AAA it's not encouraging. He also seems like an extreme groundball hitter, and he has little to no power. I'm guessing his place on the depth chart is "Last Resort."
 

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Here's the Soxprospects writeup on Witte, FWIW: "Third baseman with a solid arm and good glove work but below-average range. Loopy swing. Intelligent and hardworking. Great teammate."

Two worrisome things about that Pawtucket line: the .429 BABIP and the 22.5% K rate. Not a terrible K rate in itself, but for a 27-year-old in AAA it's not encouraging. He also seems like an extreme groundball hitter, and he has little to no power. I'm guessing his place on the depth chart is "Last Resort."
I don't disagree. However, if we're going to trot Marrero out every third day to 'rest' Rutledge, we should be able to consider other options. I did a cursory search for Marrero's advanced minor league stats this season. I couldn't find them, but I'll bet they are as awful as you'd imagine. The dude just can't hit; even minor league pitching overwhelms him. Maybe Witte is a better option till we figure out something else to do.
 

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I said this in another thread, but Witte has extremely good splits against lefties. He could be the weak side of a platoon. Of course, Rutledge has similar splits and a backup pedigree already, so likely Witte loses to the proven veteran (TM).

Trevor Plouffe could likely be had from the A's. Also could have been had last winter but the Red Sox were having Panda fantasies.

Another option: have Swihart learn 3B.
 

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So who else would be in the market for Moustakas/Frazier? Mets? Cardinals?
Very few projected contenders need help at 3B, especially after Bumgarner's injury. Cards in good shape with Gyorko. No way the Mets hang in.

The cheapest of Freese/Frazier/Moustakas is the right answer.

Arenado isn't happening, but it's true that Josh Donaldson could be available, which no one expected.

Doubtful we deal with Toronto, but we'll have money to spend and one last year of Chris Sale. He'd have to entertain an extension, but take a look at that dreamboat 2018-19 FA class and tell me who fits better (besides Price).
 

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I don't disagree. However, if we're going to trot Marrero out every third day to 'rest' Rutledge, we should be able to consider other options. I did a cursory search for Marrero's advanced minor league stats this season. I couldn't find them, but I'll bet they are as awful as you'd imagine. The dude just can't hit; even minor league pitching overwhelms him. Maybe Witte is a better option till we figure out something else to do.
Trotting Marrero out every third day is likely to be a short term thing if Rutledge is even mildly productive. They're only trying to ease Rutledge into everyday play because he hasn't done it in over a year. Once he's on track, Marrero's playing time will be curtailed. I have to think that will only be a few more games.
 

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I'll throw another name out there - Jhonny Peralta who is in the last year of his deal. Jed Gyorko has played really well and Peralta can't seem to stay on the field, so he'd really fit right in. He may be the cheapest get out there and it's not really a case of them selling since he's a small piece.

Another option: have Swihart learn 3B.
I think that's a great idea actually. He's just going to waste away otherwise. Improving his versatility is the best way for him to get back up here. The pipeline is thin at the catcher position, so I can see why he's still their main guy on the depth chart

As for Marrero - he had the lowest wRC+ in the minors last year for several months which is really hard to do and stay on a 40 man roster especially given how good SS is offensively league wide right now. He was at wRC+ 1 before his call up. The dude has 9 lives.

Really - all the errors have to be a short term fluke unless it's a mental thing. None of these guys are 35+ error guys - just below average.

I like Freese the most, but since he has played so well I don't think he'll be given away which is kind of the type of guy the Sox need with their barren system.
 

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Hate the Swihart idea. They've already ruined him enough, let him at least get his swing back before asking him to learn a new position in the middle of the season.
 

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As long as the Sox are playing decently, I think a little more rope for Rutelege is their primary option. However, Pawtucket 3B Matt Dominguez should be worth a look, at least.

He hit .269 with 18 HR in 475 AAA at bats last year for Buffalo (Jays), and walked 67 times to just 70 Ks. In 2013 he hit 21 HR for the Astros, before falling off a cliff the next season. This is an interesting article about how bad he was in 2014, and why it would seem his true talent level is better than he showed that year:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2015/2/13/8021829/the-end-of-matt-dominguez-houston-astros-bad-baseball

This season has started off slowly, but IMO there is no chance that he's a worse hitter than Marrero . As long as his defense at 3B is solid (supposedly it was considered a + tool when he was a prospect) I'd prefer his bat in the lineup to Marrero or D'Arnaud. He's just 27 years old.
 
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Savin Hillbilly

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The wrong side of the bridge....
Another option: have Swihart learn 3B.
I've beaten this drum in the past, but I think that ship may have sailed, at least until he shows some sign that his offense will ultimately play up to a corner position. I do think his athleticism has always made it logical to try to develop him as a multi-position C/3B/OF like a Surhoff or an Inge, but instead of doing this in a purposeful way the Sox seem to have jerked him back and forth between roles haphazardly. I really hope I'm wrong, but I fear that years from now "Blake Swihart" will become a byword for a mishandled prospect.
 

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Swihart needs a full year to do nothing but catch in Pawtucket. Let's find out if he actually is the incredibly valuable asset he could be -- an average-to-above average defensive catcher with plus offense -- before we try to turn him into a less valuable asset.

Freese seems like a good option, and the Pirates are likely sellers, but keep in mind that this team, which has just finished thinning out its farm system, may also need a starting pitcher (if Price doesn't come back strong or if there's an injury) and/or a relief pitcher (if Thornburg and Smith don't come back strong or if there's an injury).

Given the limited resources available to trade, I'd rather watch Josh Rutledge play 3B than watch Kyle Kendrick start every five days or watch Matt Barnes pitch the 8th in September.
 

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I don't think he sees a full year of AA. I think at the minimum, he gets moved up to AAA this summer. Not saying he arrives here, but I think if he keeps up his current pace, they won't need to see 250 AA AB's to make the move, not with the way he finished the year last year.
I agree that Devers looks like a mid-summer call-up to AAA candidate if he keeps on: .313/.382/.566, 18%K and he's starting to take some walks (10%).
And looks like Chavis might be gunning to take his spot in Portland: .345/.444/.690, 13%BB, 22%K. He's also started to play 3B again for about the past week after missing some time (DHing) with an injury.