Who's on Third? I don't know

[Dewey'sCannon]

Did not like seeing Chavis in this - probably a fair deal from a value-for-value perspective (depending on PTBNL). Would probably have preferred a rental RP rather than taking on Robertson's salary for next year (and presumably lower acquisition cost for rental), but maybe this was best deal available. And it does help us improve in two areas.

Edit: And I don't believe for a minute that Devers is part of deal. NFW.

 

[eric hetzel]

Link?

It's from a fake account.

 

[E5 Yaz]

It's from a fake account.

I know; that's why I asked the question

 

[Return of the Dewey]

Per Rosenthal fake

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

Hm, one tweet says Frazier and Robertson for Chavis, Travis Lakins and cash, but I can't tell if it's fake.

Unlike the Devers thing, this seems plausible. I won't love it, but it's plausible. Don't understand why they're getting the cash, though.

 

[chrisfont9]

Unlike the Devers thing, this seems plausible. I won't love it, but it's plausible. Don't understand why they're getting the cash, though.

Just to emphasize how fake it is?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Unlike the Devers thing, this seems plausible. I won't love it, but it's plausible. Don't understand why they're getting the cash, though.

This would be plenty stupid for the Sox long term. White Sox might end up having the best farm in a long time.

 

[Dewey'sCannon]

Unlike the Devers thing, this seems plausible. I won't love it, but it's plausible. Don't understand why they're getting the cash, though.

Maybe cash to Red Sox - would make more sense, from a luxury tax perspective.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

This would be plenty stupid for the Sox long term. White Sox might end up having the best farm in a long time.

Chavis isn't that good. At least I'd be surprised to find that he is. And Lakins is certainly fungible.

 

[j44thor]

I wonder what value Bryan Mata has, more than holding his own as an 18YO in Greenville but very far away. They type of arm D Dom won't be afraid to move. The type of move a ChiSox team should be looking to make.

 

[bosockboy]

To clarify, the Levine tweet isn't fake, just Rosenthal. So it's probably close.

 

[pjr]

To clarify, the Levine tweet isn't fake, just Rosenthal. So it's probably close.

Chavis is still in the game for Portland .(at the moment)

 

[DJnVa]

 

[E5 Yaz]

James Fegan‏ @JRFegan 4m4 minutes ago
The White Sox are about to start their barrage of pregame handshakes and hugs. This is going to be confusing as hell

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

Chavis is still in the game for Portland .(at the moment)

Of course we don't know for sure it's him -- but also, do they do that late-scratch routine with AA prospects? It's not like the player's short-term availability is an issue, so you're only worrying about career-ending or -derailing injuries, which are fairly rare.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

James Fegan‏ @JRFegan 4m4 minutes ago
The White Sox are about to start their barrage of pregame handshakes and hugs. This is going to be confusing as hell

Robertson in the pen?

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

I wonder what value Bryan Mata has, more than holding his own as an 18YO in Greenville but very far away. They type of arm D Dom won't be afraid to move. The type of move a ChiSox team should be looking to make.

The Sox Prospects podcast today said the white sox asked about Mata last winter and the red sox said no way.

And FWIW, they also said that while Moncada was obviously on the table that Devers was completely off limits during those discussions.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Robertson in the pen?

Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 5m5 minutes ago
#WhiteSox dugout watch: Todd Frazier and David Robertson side by side, having a chat.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 5m5 minutes ago
#WhiteSox dugout watch: Todd Frazier and David Robertson side by side, having a chat.

....just to mess with us all.

 

[pjr]

or not.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Historically I'm pretty sure Bruce Levine has been less accurate on trades than flipping a coin would be.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

or not.

Let them pay for that haul

 

[Wingack]

or not.

White Sox trying to play BOS and NYY off each other.

 

[Bigpupp]

Source: #Yankees close to getting Frazier, Robertson and Kahnle from #WhiteSox for prospects.

 

[bosockboy]

So the hugs weren't for us.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Source: #Yankees close to getting Frazier, Robertson and Kahnle from #WhiteSox for prospects.

I hope they trade a few top prospects for those rentals

 

[Zincman]

Dodger announcers saying Frazier, Robertson and Kahnle heading to Yanks. No word on the return

 

[Mueller's Twin Grannies]

In other words, Dombrowski wouldn't give up the moon, so they'll take a lesser package from the rival team as a fuck you to Boston.

Losing Frazier basically forces the Red Sox to overpay for mediocrity. This is looking like it's going to be a rough trade deadline.

 

[bosockboy]

Jed Lowrie come on down.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

In other words, Dombrowski wouldn't give up the moon, so they'll take a lesser package from the rival team as a fuck you to Boston.

Losing Frazier basically forces the Red Sox to overpay for mediocrity. This is looking like it's going to be a rough trade deadline.

This is 2x wrong.

You can bet the farm that the White Sox didn't take a "lesser package" from anybody, nor did they give a "fuck you" to Boston (why would they?). The Yankees offered more, that's all.

And I see no reason to think the Sox will "overpay for mediocrity." What they already have is not that far from mediocrity. There's even less reason to overpay for a marginal upgrade than there would have been for a substantial one. Dombrowski is an aggressive trader, but I've seen nothing to suggest that he's the kind of reactive, undisciplined trader who would make a shitty deal because the one he wanted fell through.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

In other words, Dombrowski wouldn't give up the moon, so they'll take a lesser package from the rival team as a fuck you to Boston.

Losing Frazier basically forces the Red Sox to overpay for mediocrity. This is looking like it's going to be a rough trade deadline.

Or the Yankees just offered the better package.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Source: #Yankees close to getting Frazier, Robertson and Kahnle from #WhiteSox for prospects.

Best news all night.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Jed Lowrie come on down.

Yeah no. Hope it's Devers

 

[j44thor]

The MFY have a much stronger farm system so not much BOS could do if MFY got aggressive.

 

[soxhop411]

Source: Red Sox are not close to deal w White Sox for Todd Frazier. And as of tonight, they are not close to deal for another third baseman.

Here comes NICK PUNTO to man the hot corner!

 

[Maximus]

Rafael Devers come on down.

 

[Yo La Tengo]

How about Josh Harrison?

Reasonable contract, good on-base skills (.352 OBP this year) with some speed, positional flexibility, under contract through 2018 (7.5 this year, 10 million next year) with two club options in 2019/2020.

And, he could hit lead off with Mookie moving down to a run producing spot?

Harrison
Pedroia
Benintendi
Betts
Bogaerts
Ramirez
Bradley Jr.
Moreland
Catcher

Pirates are 6 games out but with Starling Marte back from his suspension, so it is unclear which direction they'll take as they approach the trade deadline, but I'd at least check in.

 

[soxhop411]

red sox will still be looking for a 3b: have considered lowrie, harrison, prado (dl now), flores, asdrubal, rivera, solarte, freese, others.

 

[Return of the Dewey]

red sox will still be looking for a 3b: have considered lowrie, harrison, prado (dl now), flores, asdrubal, rivera, solarte, freese, others.

Well that's a pu pu platter if I ever saw one

 

[BoSoxFink]

red sox will still be looking for a 3b: have considered lowrie, harrison, prado (dl now), flores, asdrubal, rivera, solarte, freese, others.

So in other words they are looking at a pile
Of garbage. Also none of those guys do anything to help their biggest problem which is power

 

[E5 Yaz]

I vote for Others

 

[Rasputin]

So in other words they are looking at a pile
Of garbage. Also none of those guys do anything to help their biggest problem which is power

The problem is performance at third. Power would be nice but if all we can get is an OBP guy, it's still an improvement.

 

[Return of the Dewey]

I would think that Kyle Seager's name would surface if team willing to take over contract

 

[E5 Yaz]

I would think that Kyle Seager's name would surface if team willing to take over contract

The Mariners are a 1.5 games out of a Wild Card spot

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Solarte is not a terrible answer---345ish OBP, a little power. good contact hitter, better vs RHP (so could use Marrero against some LH, if he stayed up).

I mean, not going to be a foundation guy or exciting but avoids having a black hole there offensively.

 

[Mueller's Twin Grannies]

This is 2x wrong.

You can bet the farm that the White Sox didn't take a "lesser package" from anybody, nor did they give a "fuck you" to Boston (why would they?). The Yankees offered more, that's all.

And I see no reason to think the Sox will "overpay for mediocrity." What they already have is not that far from mediocrity. There's even less reason to overpay for a marginal upgrade than there would have been for a substantial one. Dombrowski is an aggressive trader, but I've seen nothing to suggest that he's the kind of reactive, undisciplined trader who would make a shitty deal because the one he wanted fell through.

Or the Yankees just offered the better package.

Fair enough; I recant and hope you're both right. I mean, obviously Frazier wasn't the franchise cornerstone that Sale is, but...seeing that other team get better when your team is in rough shape is hard to swallow. It kind of reeks of classic Yankees 11th-hour swooping-in and that's what I'm reacting to. I didn't even think they needed a 3B, not the way Boston does.

 

[Bigpupp]

Solarte is not a terrible answer---345ish OBP, a little power. good contact hitter, better vs RHP (so could use Marrero against some LH, if he stayed up).

I mean, not going to be a foundation guy or exciting but avoids having a black hole there offensively.

Doesn't mean a deal wouldn't happen but....

Dave Dombrowski still makes a face like he drank sour milk when the Padres come up. Be surprised if he makes a deal with A.J. Preller again.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

So in other words they are looking at a pile
Of garbage. Also none of those guys do anything to help their biggest problem which is power

You're right that there are no real power hitters in that group, but they're hardly "garbage". Solarte, Harrison or Lowrie would make us better. Flores might; he's been a better hitter on the road this year, and he's young and possibly on the up escalator. I'm not crazy about Cabrera or Freese, but even they might be upgrades over Holt/Marrero.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You're right that there are no real power hitters in that group, but they're hardly "garbage". Solarte, Harrison or Lowrie would make us better. Flores might; he's been a better hitter on the road this year, and he's young and possibly on the up escalator. I'm not crazy about Cabrera or Freese, but even they might be upgrades over Holt/Marrero.

Eh Lowrie doesn't move the needle. He's also a stone cold lock to get hurt again. Pass

 

[Wayapman]

Looks like all 3 to the Tanks

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/7/18/15994406/todd-frazier-white-sox-yankees-trade-prospects-tommy-kahnle-david-robertson