Who's Your Binkie?
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WR- Phillip Dorsett (MIA)- downfield threat who showed strong route running in post season showcases.
TE- Maxx Williams (MINN)- Still like him, but only in round 2. Not good enough of a blocker or dynamic enough as a receiver for round 1.
OT- E. Flowers (MIA) and DJ Humphries (UF). Flowers in round 1, Humphries in round 2 (Ty Smith upside, but could be a big bust). There are a lot of OL I like in rounds 1-3 this year.
C/OG- A. Marpet (HOB), Max Garcia (UF)- played C mostly, but has experience all over the OL and can be had in the later rounds. Scar recently worked him out (along with the rest of the UF O-line)
DT- Mal. Brown (TEX) versatile, athletic and big. Probably gone mid-1st. Wouldn't mind trading up to get him.
LB- D. Perryman (MIA) a little small, but the guy makes plays, S. Anthony (CLEM), round 3 guy who can add some depth.
CB- S. Golson (MISS) Still a favorite of mine. I'll also add I. Ekpre-Olomu (ORE), and S. Nelson (OSU) for guys in the 3-4th round range.
Edit: Updated after studying more prospects.
TE- Maxx Williams (MINN)- Still like him, but only in round 2. Not good enough of a blocker or dynamic enough as a receiver for round 1.
OT- E. Flowers (MIA) and DJ Humphries (UF). Flowers in round 1, Humphries in round 2 (Ty Smith upside, but could be a big bust). There are a lot of OL I like in rounds 1-3 this year.
C/OG- A. Marpet (HOB), Max Garcia (UF)- played C mostly, but has experience all over the OL and can be had in the later rounds. Scar recently worked him out (along with the rest of the UF O-line)
DT- Mal. Brown (TEX) versatile, athletic and big. Probably gone mid-1st. Wouldn't mind trading up to get him.
LB- D. Perryman (MIA) a little small, but the guy makes plays, S. Anthony (CLEM), round 3 guy who can add some depth.
CB- S. Golson (MISS) Still a favorite of mine. I'll also add I. Ekpre-Olomu (ORE), and S. Nelson (OSU) for guys in the 3-4th round range.
Edit: Updated after studying more prospects.
I'm not sure I understand this. Is this some sort of competition? Or are we just posting about players that we find interesting?soxfan121 said:
If it's the latter, KR/WR Marcus Murphy - Mizzou. Played RB at Mizzou, so some of this depends on how well he can catch, but good competition had a hard time bringing down in the open field. The consensus seems to be that he is a 7th round/UDFA type.
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ElcaballitoMVP said:
Those are my guys. Maybe Carl Davis from Iowa as well (or Shelton from UW or Goldman from FSU)---we need another big boy to replace Vince.
Round 1-2 guys
Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota - I posted some stuff/videos in the other thread. He looks like the real deal as a two way TE.
Clive Walford, TE, Miami - Huge potential as a move TE. Can he learn to block?
Nate Orchard, DE, Utah - Have seen him a ton and love his game/work ethic.
If they fall to 32 or close enough that a trade up isn't that costly, I'd love either Brandon Scherff (many think he might fall due to short arms) or La'el Collins as G prospects. But they're probably both off the board by the early 20s.
Later round guys and flyers
Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise - Not super explosive but can run, catch, and protect. Needs to cure some fumbilitis but that could be a technique issue.
Zach Wagenmann, DE/OLB, Montana - Probably a 5-7th rounder or UDFA. Small school kid with huge production and a non-stop motor.
Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota - I posted some stuff/videos in the other thread. He looks like the real deal as a two way TE.
Clive Walford, TE, Miami - Huge potential as a move TE. Can he learn to block?
Nate Orchard, DE, Utah - Have seen him a ton and love his game/work ethic.
If they fall to 32 or close enough that a trade up isn't that costly, I'd love either Brandon Scherff (many think he might fall due to short arms) or La'el Collins as G prospects. But they're probably both off the board by the early 20s.
Later round guys and flyers
Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise - Not super explosive but can run, catch, and protect. Needs to cure some fumbilitis but that could be a technique issue.
Zach Wagenmann, DE/OLB, Montana - Probably a 5-7th rounder or UDFA. Small school kid with huge production and a non-stop motor.
It took me a while to realize he was the Red Sox 8th round pick in the 2011 draft. According to Abraham his refusal to sign led the Red Sox to increase their offer to Betts and get him signed. I don't know how good he is at football, but I like him.ElcaballitoMVP said:
David Irving - DE - Iowa State. Major character concerns. He was arrested for domestic violence, but had the charges dropped. He was dismissed from the football team last spring after a photo of him carrying a stop sign during a riot in Ames surfaced. He did not play this year. He is projected to not get drafted or possibly be a late round pick. He did do this to top tackle Brandon Schreff (first play in the first video) last year. The rest of the video is also impressive.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoI52N6MPFM[/media]
He also had this play against TCU
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpaHc8BqPP4[/media]
The more I read about Cameron Erving, OL from FSU, the more I'm intrigued. Started his career as a DL, transitioned to LT his Junior year pretty seamlessly and won a bunch of accolades, then made the switch in-season this year to OC when needed and played well there too. Most people think he could play all five positions on the line, he's shown a remarkable ability to adapt to positional switches very quickly (which suggests a high football IQ), and he has enough experience at LT that he could probably provide some cover there and potentially a longer term option (plus cover at OC if necessary). By most accounts the guy is a great athlete with really good movement skills and a good body type for an interior lineman. And having an established relationship with Stork can't hurt if we try to plug him inside at LG next year.
I want OL and DL early and often, however if they are going skill position it is 100% Devin Funchess as a match-up nightmare TE/WR. I don't think they are going that direction early though. I'll be happy with any lineman the identify, Erving is my top choice.
Jaelen Strong. Draft this guy at #32. Good tracking and jump ball skills. Tall, long arms. Master of the back shoulder snag. They say he's not a deep threat. I say they've never seen TB12 throw to him. http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/01/31/rsp-film-room-no-26-wr-jaelen-strong/
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsNC4B-OaFY[/youtube]
I'm still mad about not drafting Keenan Allen. Get Tom Brady a weapon he deserves, then load up on G/DL types.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsNC4B-OaFY[/youtube]
I'm still mad about not drafting Keenan Allen. Get Tom Brady a weapon he deserves, then load up on G/DL types.
JBJ_HOF said:
True, but I get what Pxer is saying. Funchess might be an upgrade over Wright, but they essentially fill the same role where they'll be moved around to create advantageous matchups but aren't looking for much blocking from either guy. Wright is under contract for cheap (under $1M) whereas Funchess would likely require the Pats to use a 1st on him or move up in the 2nd, based on where he's currently being mocked to go. They could probably use those resources to fill more pressing needs, as you noted, along the OL and DL (or secondary depending on Revis/McCourty).
I'm not in love with Wright. They could also look to upgrade with a free agent like Jordan Cameron, who would be a more dynamic pass catching option. But again, the cost to upgrade a roster spot that really isn't much of a problem is what gives me pause. Either go for a true #1 WR early or add some big bodies.
I'm really curious to see if there is any post combine buzz on Jordan Phillips, DT out of Oklahoma.
I am not nuanced enough on the finer points of DL play and how to think about college offensive lines vs. pro offensive lines, but I do know that there is a lot of robust discussion about Wilfork right now and whether or not the Pats should move on. Then I see Phillips who is a mountain (6-6, 334), played in a power conference and is currently being mocked anywhere from late first to the 3rd round. I'm still in the information gathering phase, so I'm not going to call him a binkie yet, but I could see it trending that way.
Here is the obligatory highlight video
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny0GG5v1EFw[/youtube]
I am not nuanced enough on the finer points of DL play and how to think about college offensive lines vs. pro offensive lines, but I do know that there is a lot of robust discussion about Wilfork right now and whether or not the Pats should move on. Then I see Phillips who is a mountain (6-6, 334), played in a power conference and is currently being mocked anywhere from late first to the 3rd round. I'm still in the information gathering phase, so I'm not going to call him a binkie yet, but I could see it trending that way.
Here is the obligatory highlight video
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny0GG5v1EFw[/youtube]
( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
Mentioned him upthread in my first post. Definitely a binky candidate.
He had back surgery in '13, so there are some medical red flags, but it's tough to find a guy that size who can move like he does. He also needs to work on leverage. At 6-6, he can get too tall and it makes it easier to push him around. I need to watch more tape too, but one concern I've read is that he's got an inconsistent motor that runs hot and cold. Doesn't always like doing the dirty work, esp when double teamed.
And I'm not in love with that tape you added. Doesn't seem to be generating much push up the middle, looks to be blocked by their center pretty well 1 on 1 on most plays. He does get off the snap well, but doesn't really do a whole lot once he's engaged.
Sammie Coates. Tall, fast, and from the SEC. He constantly ran away from SEC defenses last year. Coates would be a huge upgrade on Tyms.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjNlBSYljN4[/youtube]
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He'll go top 10, but Scherff is just awesome. Another superb OL prospect from Kirk Ferentz & staff at Iowa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9Hq4bdFY0
(as I watch his interview on NFL Live -- seems mature, poised, articulate, etc.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9Hq4bdFY0
(as I watch his interview on NFL Live -- seems mature, poised, articulate, etc.)
I'm a sucker for small school guys. I'm pulling for Hobart OL Ali Marpet. He was the only OL to run a sub 5.0 40 and was best or 2nd best in every drill today. The Patriots met with him as well.
RedOctober3829 said:
Didn't everyone this year? That's a passing league now.
USC Tailback Javorius "Buck" Allen is mine. Some team is going to really be happy if they get him at the end of day two / start of day three.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp4z48CtCfU
This guy killed the Senior Bowl as well, more than holding his own against top opposition and apparently opening a lot of eyes. He has a lot of the traits of a classic Pats developmental interior OL. I could see him being in play in the middle rounds.RedOctober3829 said:
mwonow said:
I have to think Allen's 4.53 at 221# puts him solidly on day 2. I am already dreaming of an Allen / Latavius Murray / Marcel Reece backfield next year.
I'm throwing Lorenzo Mauldin in as my draft draft binkie.
6'4. 260lbs. Played DE and some LB for Louisville. Good college production (9.5 sacks as a junior when he played only DE, moved to LB his senior season) and had a respectable combine, not a workout warrior, but he stacks up with other mid round prospects.
Great story on this kid, apparently was passed through 16 foster homes (16!). Despite that there are many articles raving about him as a high character kid who had a difficult upbringing but came out a better man for it. This kid also got eaten up the recruiting/scholarship game and had his offer from South Carolina pulled at the last second when USC admitted that they over committed vs. the number of scholarships they had. He found a home at Louisville and has apparently approached the situation with dignity and class. BB has picked some kids before that have had it rough (Wilfork) and found a way to overcome it and become good football players and leaders. I just like rooting for players like this and would like to see him succeed in his NFL career, I think it would be fun to watch that on the Pats.
There is also a fit on the team in the Ayers LB/DE role and maybe down the road as a new Ninkovich. Another versatile piece for the defense. He is getting a third round grade right now by the draftniks.
Here are some clips from his Junior season playing DE. I see some good burst and power in his game.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmVVFc5XsMQ[/youtube]
This is from his senior season, playing more on 2 feet. He has a great Seau like Fist Pump thing going
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkIq3vYhBw[/youtube]
6'4. 260lbs. Played DE and some LB for Louisville. Good college production (9.5 sacks as a junior when he played only DE, moved to LB his senior season) and had a respectable combine, not a workout warrior, but he stacks up with other mid round prospects.
Great story on this kid, apparently was passed through 16 foster homes (16!). Despite that there are many articles raving about him as a high character kid who had a difficult upbringing but came out a better man for it. This kid also got eaten up the recruiting/scholarship game and had his offer from South Carolina pulled at the last second when USC admitted that they over committed vs. the number of scholarships they had. He found a home at Louisville and has apparently approached the situation with dignity and class. BB has picked some kids before that have had it rough (Wilfork) and found a way to overcome it and become good football players and leaders. I just like rooting for players like this and would like to see him succeed in his NFL career, I think it would be fun to watch that on the Pats.
There is also a fit on the team in the Ayers LB/DE role and maybe down the road as a new Ninkovich. Another versatile piece for the defense. He is getting a third round grade right now by the draftniks.
Here are some clips from his Junior season playing DE. I see some good burst and power in his game.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmVVFc5XsMQ[/youtube]
This is from his senior season, playing more on 2 feet. He has a great Seau like Fist Pump thing going
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkIq3vYhBw[/youtube]
Todd Gurley but I can't decide if I want them to use a first on a RB. The knee is less of a factor than the position to me. I'd be pounding the table to get him at 60 but at 32 I leaning more towards passing on him. I still haven't watched any film, but Arik Armstead comparing physically similar to Calais Campbell tightens up my game pants. Campbell was raw coming out too, but a couple years later he's one of the best players in the game.
I'm reading Waldman's RSP right now. His #7 RB is Texas' Malcolm Brown. Brown seems like a great fit for the Pats. He has ideal size (5'11", 224 pounds). His straight-line speed (4.62 40) was below-average, but he excelled in the 3-cone (6.86, 4th among RB) and shuttle (4.15, 8th), especially given his size. Most Pats-y: massive 10 1/4" hands and a fumble just once every 619 touches, by far the best in the class. Sounds like a nice Ridley replacement, and someone they can probably nab in the later rounds.
I've been writing up some CBs for ITP and I like Kevin Johnson out of Wake and Byron Jones out of UConn; they're both guys that most of the sites had as more second- / third- rounders a month ago but now we'll be lucky for them to be there at 32. ITP's draft hub up at: http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/nfl-draft/2015/04/01/inside-the-pylon-the-nfl-draft-hub/ - you can see profiles of some of the guys mentioned in this thread, like Scherff, Armstead, Davis, and Phillips.
I've been writing up some CBs for ITP and I like Kevin Johnson out of Wake and Byron Jones out of UConn; they're both guys that most of the sites had as more second- / third- rounders a month ago but now we'll be lucky for them to be there at 32. ITP's draft hub up at: http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/nfl-draft/2015/04/01/inside-the-pylon-the-nfl-draft-hub/ - you can see profiles of some of the guys mentioned in this thread, like Scherff, Armstead, Davis, and Phillips.
Those are almost exact replicas of Le'Veon Bell's numbers at the combine last year, fwiw. I imagine this guy can't catch it nearly as well but that speed/quickness profile definitely works as an NFL runner and might be undervalued in the market.Super Nomario said:
Its amazing how bad the fumble rates are (per that link) for some of the top RB prospects.
Ridley was very similar, too - 5'11" 225, 4.66 40, 6.78 3-cone, 4.21 shuttle.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
A guy I think would be a good fit for the Patriots is Michigan State WR Tony Lippett, who projects as a mid-late-rounder. The Pats are pretty set with Edelman / LaFell / Amendola (post-restructure) as a top three for 2015, and Dobson figures to get another shot. The best path for a fifth true wideout is contributing on special teams, and Lippett does. He even played some CB. Decent size (6'2"), lousy 40 (4.61), but pretty good in the agility drills. I can see a path where he plays a lot of special teams as a rookie and moves into a bigger role in his second or third season, which seems like a better path than rotting on the bench as a game-day inactive.
Some guys who I like....
Jordan Hicks LB Texas- Assuming his health is vetted.....he is a physically gifted LB in the same mold as Mayo. One scouting report had his big negative as basically "Doing his job and not much else" I thought about BB thinking "...and the problem is?" He might be around late 3rd early 4th.
Chris Conley WR Ga. - Seems like another big target that Brady could use. 6'2 215 4.40 and Decent to good hands. His Routes are "ok" to "good". Sounds like a potential Lefell replacement for 2016 when his dead money is 1 mil and his cap savings is 2.8 Again should be available late in the 4th.
Jordan Hicks LB Texas- Assuming his health is vetted.....he is a physically gifted LB in the same mold as Mayo. One scouting report had his big negative as basically "Doing his job and not much else" I thought about BB thinking "...and the problem is?" He might be around late 3rd early 4th.
Chris Conley WR Ga. - Seems like another big target that Brady could use. 6'2 215 4.40 and Decent to good hands. His Routes are "ok" to "good". Sounds like a potential Lefell replacement for 2016 when his dead money is 1 mil and his cap savings is 2.8 Again should be available late in the 4th.
Linebacker... I mean running back Melvin Gordon. Everyone knows what he can do on the field. I would LOVE to see this kid in New England even though RB isn't a need.
Marcus Hardison DT Arizona State - DE turned DT with quickness, power and pass rush ability.
Jake Ryan LB Michigan - Can play any LB position and plays his heart out. The Dustin Pedroia of linebacking.
My cornerback rankings are out: http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/nfl-draft/2015/04/30/dave-archibalds-cb-prospect-rankings/
I'm probably a little higher on Kevin Johnson (#2) and Byron Jones (#4) than most, and a little lower on Ronald Darby (#9) and Quinten Rollins (#11), but not too far off. The most surprising ranking is probably Kansas' JaCorey Shepherd (#10), a converted wide receiver who just makes incredible plays on the ball:
If you go through his tape online (this one is super-long but illustrative), there are a bunch of plays where it looks like he's beaten but he makes a play the WR has enough separation to make a play but Shepherd gets his hands there at the last minute. He has a real feel for when he can look back and play the ball without losing the receiver, and when to watch the receiver's eyes and play his hands - and he makes plays in both situations. He finished second in the Big-12 in passes defended each of the past two seasons. PFF charted him with the 10th-lowest passer rating on passes in his direction. He's a touch shorter than ideal size (5'11" 195), I'm not sure about his overall athleticism (he only benched at the Combine due to a hamstring issue), and he's not a great run defender, but his ball skills and instincts are unteachable and worth gambling on, in my opinion.
I'm probably a little higher on Kevin Johnson (#2) and Byron Jones (#4) than most, and a little lower on Ronald Darby (#9) and Quinten Rollins (#11), but not too far off. The most surprising ranking is probably Kansas' JaCorey Shepherd (#10), a converted wide receiver who just makes incredible plays on the ball:
If you go through his tape online (this one is super-long but illustrative), there are a bunch of plays where it looks like he's beaten but he makes a play the WR has enough separation to make a play but Shepherd gets his hands there at the last minute. He has a real feel for when he can look back and play the ball without losing the receiver, and when to watch the receiver's eyes and play his hands - and he makes plays in both situations. He finished second in the Big-12 in passes defended each of the past two seasons. PFF charted him with the 10th-lowest passer rating on passes in his direction. He's a touch shorter than ideal size (5'11" 195), I'm not sure about his overall athleticism (he only benched at the Combine due to a hamstring issue), and he's not a great run defender, but his ball skills and instincts are unteachable and worth gambling on, in my opinion.
The top three entertaining players in this draft, IMO.
1. Connor Halliday has a famous lookalike and threw the ball so much in college it's a wonder his arm didn't fall off:
2. Jaquiski Tartt, S, the East-West Bowl MVP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2gUwjOdRjU
3. Denzel Perryman, LB, hits like a truck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NZbhgf33sg
1. Connor Halliday has a famous lookalike and threw the ball so much in college it's a wonder his arm didn't fall off:
2. Jaquiski Tartt, S, the East-West Bowl MVP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2gUwjOdRjU
3. Denzel Perryman, LB, hits like a truck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NZbhgf33sg
Guys I would love:
Shaq Thompson - Would be a candidate if the Pats trade out of the first round to somewhere in the top half of the second. Maybe I'm spoiled by Jamie Collins, but I like the idea of ridiculously athletic players going out and destroying the other's team on defense.
Duke Johnson - Not sure if he'd last until the end of the second round, but would be a great pass-catching option immediately and also has some decent power for a guy his size. Absolutely carved up the ACC, but likely a little small for full-time duty in the NFL.
Jamison Crowder - Obvious Duke bias here, but Crowder fits the Pats mold at receiver in that he is undersized and shifty, and I think he could probably be had in the 4th or 5th round as a depth guy that could be an instant contributor in the return game if they wanted to spell Edelman a full season of hits returning punts.
Shaq Thompson - Would be a candidate if the Pats trade out of the first round to somewhere in the top half of the second. Maybe I'm spoiled by Jamie Collins, but I like the idea of ridiculously athletic players going out and destroying the other's team on defense.
Duke Johnson - Not sure if he'd last until the end of the second round, but would be a great pass-catching option immediately and also has some decent power for a guy his size. Absolutely carved up the ACC, but likely a little small for full-time duty in the NFL.
Jamison Crowder - Obvious Duke bias here, but Crowder fits the Pats mold at receiver in that he is undersized and shifty, and I think he could probably be had in the 4th or 5th round as a depth guy that could be an instant contributor in the return game if they wanted to spell Edelman a full season of hits returning punts.