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1. Missississississississippi - Starkville
2. Missississississississippi - Oxford
3. Alabama
4. Florida State
5. Auburn
6. Kansas State
7. TCU
8. Georgia
9. Notre Dame
10. Oregon
 
 
 
 

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1. Miss St
2. FSU
3. Ole Miss
4. Notre Dame
5. Georgia
6. Alabama
7. Kansas St.
8. Oregon
9. Auburn
10. TCU
 

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1) Mississippi ST
2) Ole Miss
3) FSU
4) Auburn
5) Bama
6) Oregon
7) ND
8) Georgia
9) TCU
10) K State
 

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Normally, the SEC is top dog. This year it's beyond crazy how much difference there is between the SEC and everyone else.

1. Mississippi State (7-0 and beat Auburn, so they deserve a lot of respect)
2. Auburn (ridiculously hard schedule, I'd put them co-#1 if not for the margin of the loss above, but the LSU win was a piece of beauty in terms of utter dominance over a good team)
3. Alabama/Mississippi (that game was at Mississippi, and could have gone either way)
5. Georgia (deserved to beat the Cocks on the road)
6. Kansas State
7. Florida State (until proven otherwise, though the win over Notre Dame was more than iffy)
8. Oregon
9. Louisiana State
10. Michigan State (though the Oregon loss and general lack of schedule strength otherwise are real problems, the defense against Nebraska, which shares the issue of the Big 14's uninspiring schedule, gives me some confidence this is a good team)

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10B. Notre Dame (later games at Pac-12 schools will show if they belong near the top)
10C. TCU (the spectacular failure against Baylor in their toughest test, outgained by more than 300)
 

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With Stanford and USC looking more mediocre than good, I don't think ND's schedule is nearly enough even if it runs the table. They really need ASU to crack the top 10 because they will be the only team without a marquee win.
 
They need Stanford to beat Oregon yet again.
 
If that happens and they run the table they will be in the playoff.
 
What would be interesting is if Georgia wins SEC.  
 
We know whoever wins the SEC gets in no matter what.  But do they give a spot to SEC West champion or do they reevaluate for the second SEC team?
 
They won't give three spots to the SEC simply since it I don't think it is possible for there to be three one loss SEC teams.
 

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They need Stanford to beat Oregon yet again.
 
If that happens and they run the table they will be in the playoff.
 
What would be interesting is if Georgia wins SEC.  
 
We know whoever wins the SEC gets in no matter what.  But do they give a spot to SEC West champion or do they reevaluate for the second SEC team?
 
They won't give three spots to the SEC simply since it I don't think it is possible for there to be three one loss SEC teams.
They should just have an SEC tournament of 4 teams and hand the national title trophy out after.
 

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FSU, Mississippi St., Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oregon hold their own fate in their hands.
 
Auburn needs Ole Miss or Alabama to beat Mississippi St then win the SEC or have Georgia destroy whoever the SEC West sends to SEC Championship Game.  Or it could win out and have Mississippi St win the SEC.  
 
ND needs to win out and have Oregon lose to Stanford and/or Arizona St win the PAC-12 after ND beats them
 
Michigan St / Ohio St needs FSU, ND and/or Oregon to lose and/or need only one team emerging from SEC with less than 2 loses.
 
Arizona St. / Arizona might just make it if they win out if they beat a one loss Oregon in the PAC-12 Championship.
 
TCU / Kansas St / Baylor needs to win out and a complete mess.
 
Utah well Utah needs a lot.
 
Duke needs to win ACC and all hell to break lose in the Pac 12, SEC, and Big 12.  
 
East Carolina needs a top ten Armageddon in what would amount the most fun end of the season in FBS history.  
 
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Not really, they haven't beaten anyone. Stanford was meh, and they almost lost that one.  They're fortunate they're still in striking distance if things go perfect.
 

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The committee seems disinclined to give higher rankings based on brand recognition.  This is a good sign in my book.  
 

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Not really, they haven't beaten anyone. Stanford was meh, and they almost lost that one.  They're fortunate they're still in striking distance if things go perfect.
 
See Durron's post. I think we're all pleasantly surprised.
 
(Though I will say coming within a short 4th down conversion of beating the number 2 team who hasn't lost in forever on their home field should count for something.)
 

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But what does it say about a team's credentials that their "most impressive performance" is still a loss?
It means you played a top-heavy schedule thus far. (Alabama says hi.)

The selection committee did an OK job and, for the most part, they avoided most of the pitfalls to which the media and coaches are susceptible. The first issue is voting based on reputation. Both polls had Alabama ranked third, based mostly on reputation, which is fine I guess because polls are not necessarily based on merit. (How could they be if their task includes ranking teams before they have played a single game?) The committee has the Tide in sixth, though it probably should be lower. The other issue is recency bias. The polls dropped Ole Miss to seventh and ninth after losing this weekend. I don't think they're playoff team currently, but they should be ranked higher than that. It's good to know that a timing of a loss is not going to matter to this committee.

There were still several head-scratchers. I can't figure out why Michigan State is so highly regarded. They got their doors blown off in their only challenge of the season so far. In fact, the committee has seemingly disregarded margin of victory all together. Teams that were a play away from undefeated (Arizona, Notre Dame) should have been higher.
 

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So, I never do these lists because my knowledge of the NCAA football landscape as a whole consists of two things:
 
1) Auburn
2) Whoever Auburn is playing at the moment
 
but I can't let the above list go unanswered.  There's no way that Auburn gets to be 1A over Miss St after Miss St beat Auburn head-to-head.  Unless you think Miss St's QB is significantly injured and are ranking based on expected performance going forward, that just isn't reasonable right now.  
 
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JMDurron said:
So, I never do these lists because my knowledge of the NCAA football landscape as a whole consists of two things:
 
1) Auburn
2) Whoever Auburn is playing at the moment
 
but I can't let the above list go unanswered.  There's no way that Auburn gets to be 1A over Miss St after Miss St beat Auburn head-to-head.  Unless you think Miss St's QB is significantly injured and are ranking based on expected performance going forward, that just isn't reasonable right now.  
Those KSU and LSU games are just getting too impressive as the season goes on. Plus TAMU bringing the suck causing LSU and AT to go up in my mind. It's not perfect, I understand. I can't put Miss St as 1 by themselves after KY and Arky. Can't really put anyone else either. #1 is probably the toughest to gauge right now.
 

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JMDurron said:
So, I never do these lists because my knowledge of the NCAA football landscape as a whole consists of two things:
 
1) Auburn
2) Whoever Auburn is playing at the moment
 
but I can't let the above list go unanswered.  There's no way that Auburn gets to be 1A over Miss St after Miss St beat Auburn head-to-head.  Unless you think Miss St's QB is significantly injured and are ranking based on expected performance going forward, that just isn't reasonable right now.  
 

How do you adjust for widely variant college football schedules, and a significant home-field advantage? Auburn has played the toughest schedule in the country, and it isn't close. While I agree that in a ranking system that measures accomplishment, or reward for accomplishment, Mississippi State should be ranked first, Auburn's performance this season is probably more impressive. I think they beat the Bulldogs maybe 6 out of 10 on a neutral site.

What about Marshall? 126th-best schedule out of 128, and probably headed for 13-0. Do the Herd get to go to the playoffs even though there are easily 20 teams that could beat them most of the time?
 

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1. Miss. St
2. FSU
3. Auburn
4. TCU
5. Alabama
6. Oregon
7. Kansas St.
8. Notre Dame
9. Arizona St.
10. Michigan St.
 

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How do you adjust for widely variant college football schedules, and a significant home-field advantage? Auburn has played the toughest schedule in the country, and it isn't close. While I agree that in a ranking system that measures accomplishment, or reward for accomplishment, Mississippi State should be ranked first, Auburn's performance this season is probably more impressive. I think they beat the Bulldogs maybe 6 out of 10 on a neutral site.

What about Marshall? 126th-best schedule out of 128, and probably headed for 13-0. Do the Herd get to go to the playoffs even though there are easily 20 teams that could beat them most of the time?
 
If both teams had a single loss, I'd readily bump Auburn over Mississippi State due to strength of schedule.  I just don't think that any strength of schedule difference between two specific teams can trump the fact that one of the two teams beat the other head-to-head.  That's "Alabama claims the National Title over Notre Dame after losing to Notre Dame in a bowl game" level bullshit right there, in my mind.  Plus, due to playing in the same division of the same conference, the scheduling difference isn't quite as widely variant between the two teams as it would be between, say, Auburn and Florida State or Oregon by the end of the season.  
 
Teams with a schedule as weak as Marshall don't deserve to even be in the discussion, until and unless we reach the point where there is a 16-team playoff.  
 
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JMDurron said:
 
If both teams had a single loss, I'd readily bump Auburn over Mississippi State due to strength of schedule.  I just don't think that any strength of schedule difference between two specific teams can trump the fact that one of the two teams beat the other head-to-head.  That's "Alabama claims the National Title over Notre Dame after losing to Notre Dame in a bowl game" level bullshit right there, in my mind.  Plus, due to playing in the same division of the same conference, the scheduling difference isn't quite as widely variant between the two teams as it would be between, say, Auburn and Florida State or Oregon by the end of the season.  
 
Teams with a schedule as weak as Marshall don't deserve to even be in the discussion, until and unless we reach the point where there is a 16-team playoff.  
Common opponents equalizes the H2H in this case IMHO:
 
LSU:
Auburn 41 LSU 7
Miss St 34 LSU 29
 
Arky:
Auburn 45 Arky 21
Miss St 17 Arky 10
 

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the Group of 5 spot in the access bowls got interesting with ECU's fumbleplosion yesterday. The spot goes to the highest ranked conference champion of the smaller conferences.
 
ECU is in a logjam of  five 1-loss conference teams in the American, and they don't play two of them, Memphis and Houston, so this conference may have a tie at the top. So even if ECU wins out, they might not win the conference outright. Do shares count for the spot?
 
Colorado St is 8-1 with a decent win over BC, but they can't win their division unless Boise St loses, since Boise beat them. Boise is 6-2, with losses to Ole Miss and Air Force. 
 
Then there is Marshall, who's been busy blowing out crappy teams. F/+ rates them highest amoung group of 5 teams, but they haven't played anyone. 
 
Then there's Georgia Southern, who has eviscerated the Sun Belt in their first season but has two close losses to NC State and Georgia Tech, by 5 points total.
 
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Also of note, interesting how Ole Miss gets Vandy and KY on the crossover and Auburn gets Georgia and South Carolina.
 
Once we get the Iron Bowl and Egg Bowl and Auburn-TAMU, it'll be easier to compare the two teams on a larger season, rather than just 1 H2H
 
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Infield Infidel said:
the Group of 5 spot in the access bowls got interesting with ECU's fumbleplosion yesterday. The spot goes to the highest ranked conference champion of the smaller conferences.
 
ECU is in a logjam of  five 1-loss conference teams in the American, and they don't play two of them, Memphis and Houston, so this conference may have a tie at the top. So even if ECU wins out, they might not win the conference outright. Do shares count for the spot?
 
Colorado St is 8-1 with a decent win over BC, but they can't win their division unless Boise St loses, since Boise beat them. Boise is 6-2, with losses to Ole Miss and Air Force. 
 
Then there is Marshall, who's been busy blowing out crappy teams. F/+ rates them highest amoung group of 5 teams, but they haven't played anyone. 
 
Then there's Georgia Southern, who has eviscerated the Sun Belt in their first season but has two close losses to NC State and Georgia Tech, by 5 points total.
So true.
 
And ND State is probably a better team than all of them. And Harvard may be better than at least one of those.
 

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Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Common opponents equalizes the H2H in this case IMHO:
 
LSU:
Auburn 41 LSU 7
Miss St 34 LSU 29
 
Arky:
Auburn 45 Arky 21
Miss St 17 Arky 10
 
Obviously big difference there is Auburn played LSU in Auburn.   Miss ST beat LSU on a Saturday night in Death Valley, which is a huge difference.
 
Miss St has had an easier schedule than Auburn so far, but it's not like it has been easy.   They have beaten A&M, Auburn, and At LSU
 
And it's not like they beat Auburn on a last second Field goal,   it was a solid 2 TD win.
 
Miss St deserves to be undisputed #1 until they lose a game
 
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Also of note, interesting how Ole Miss gets Vandy and KY on the crossover and Auburn gets Georgia and South Carolina.
 
Once we get the Iron Bowl and Egg Bowl and Auburn-TAMU, it'll be easier to compare the two teams on a larger season, rather than just 1 H2H
 
So what does that mean?  Kentucky beat South Carolina, and I bet they give Georgia a tough game next weekend.
 

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1A Auburn
1B Miss St
3   Oregon
4.  FSU
5.  Alabama
6. TCU
7.  LSU
8.  Ole Miss
9.  Kansas St
10.Michigan St
 
What has Oregon done to be ranked ahead of FSU?
 
You are punishing FSU for "style points" because their wins haven't been by wide enough margins.   They've got wins over good teams in Clemson, Louisville, ND, and OK St.
 
Oregon has a loss.  They beat Mich St (about equal to FSU beating ND).  They beat Stanford (About equal to FSU beating Louisville), Beat UCLA (about equal to the Clemson win)
 
At the end of the day I just can't see any justification to put Oregon ahead of FSU other than they like to run up the score,  and FSU (the defending national champs by the way) seem to sleepwalk through a lot of first halves before putting the win up.  FSU looks like a team that is bored and is trying to find ways to motivate and challenge themselves on a weekly basis
 

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My biggest issue with the list is that it came out after a top 10 team lost (without including UGA who many had in their 10) and 4 struggled, but before 12 vs 22 and 14 vs 17 kicked off. 
 
1. Miss St
2. FSU
3. Oregon
4. Auburn
5. Bama
6. K State
7. TCU
8. ASU
9. ND
10. Ole Miss
 

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JMDurron said:
 
If both teams had a single loss, I'd readily bump Auburn over Mississippi State due to strength of schedule.  I just don't think that any strength of schedule difference between two specific teams can trump the fact that one of the two teams beat the other head-to-head.  That's "Alabama claims the National Title over Notre Dame after losing to Notre Dame in a bowl game" level bullshit right there, in my mind.  Plus, due to playing in the same division of the same conference, the scheduling difference isn't quite as widely variant between the two teams as it would be between, say, Auburn and Florida State or Oregon by the end of the season.  
 
Teams with a schedule as weak as Marshall don't deserve to even be in the discussion, until and unless we reach the point where there is a 16-team playoff.  
 

In theory, right now, you can design a ranking system that minimizes instances of a team that lost to another team being ranked ahead of that team. If that's all you do with your system, you will end up with about an 8% error (meaning 92% of the games played would fit into your rankings). As a predictive structure, this type of model gets you to about a 65% win rate.

Most good computer models, which use scores and results and home-field considerations and sometimes even statistics, have about a 15% error and more than a 70% win rate.

An experienced better, who can analyze match-ups, handle injuries and massage the numbers, can get as high as 80%. These scout-types don't bother with full rankings. It's a pointless exercise.

Schedule strength is incredibly difficult to resolve in college football. You have 128 FBS teams. You have another 80 FCS teams playing them once or twice. You have a 12-game schedule. Home-field gives you a 15% advantage. The difference between the best teams and the worst teams varies a lot more than in the NFL. Marshall would probably go 2-12 if it played the entire SEC.

Back in the "old days," everything was about winning your conference. A bowl game was the reward for a truly great season. Now, bowl games are awarded for 6-6 seasons, and we try and determine a national champion based on very little information. A four-team playoff is only slightly more valid than a two-team playoff. But any playoff is better than no playoff because at least those games are on more neutral sites. I'd like to see a 24-team playoff, with the top eight conference-winners receiving a bye.

Auburn lost at Mississippi State and Mississippi State is undefeated, so the way we do polls today, MSU is #1. But the computers mostly say Auburn is better, because Auburn has gone 7-1 with a schedule that is much tougher than anyone else's. Not that MSU hasn't had quality wins (it won't help this perception or the computer rankings, though, having their FCS opponent come up next weekend while Auburn hosts A&M). Human polls are more politics than analysis. And I think this new committee, especially since it isn't allowed to use scores of games, will create more controversy than it solves.
 
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BigMike said:
 
What has Oregon done to be ranked ahead of FSU?
 
You are punishing FSU for "style points" because their wins haven't been by wide enough margins.   They've got wins over good teams in Clemson, Louisville, ND, and OK St.
 
Oregon has a loss.  They beat Mich St (about equal to FSU beating ND).  They beat Stanford (About equal to FSU beating Louisville), Beat UCLA (about equal to the Clemson win)
 
At the end of the day I just can't see any justification to put Oregon ahead of FSU other than they like to run up the score,  and FSU (the defending national champs by the way) seem to sleepwalk through a lot of first halves before putting the win up.  FSU looks like a team that is bored and is trying to find ways to motivate and challenge themselves on a weekly basis
I'm punishing FSU for being asleep during many 1st halves and not beating any "top 15" teams yet. (No, ND isn't there) Oregon was playing with multiple OL injuries in that AZ game. The ACC sucks, even more so than the B1G.
 
And if you are placing that much importance on HFA as you do one post above, the sleepwalks in 2 of their 3 decent wins were at home.
 
I'm considering MOV and perhaps overvaluing it. I don't deny it.
 
I will also add that it's not style points, at least how I define it. Florida State's second half wake ups have been very stylish.
 

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Chemistry Schmemistry said:
 
 
In theory, right now, you can design a ranking system that minimizes instances of a team that lost to another team being ranked ahead of that team. If that's all you do with your system, you will end up with about an 8% error (meaning 92% of the games played would fit into your rankings). As a predictive structure, this type of model gets you to about a 65% win rate.
Most good computer models, which use scores and results and home-field considerations and sometimes even statistics, have about a 15% error and more than a 70% win rate.
An experienced better, who can analyze match-ups, handle injuries and massage the numbers, can get as high as 80%. These scout-types don't bother with full rankings. It's a pointless exercise.
Schedule strength is incredibly difficult to resolve in college football. You have 128 FBS teams. You have another 80 FCS teams playing them once or twice. You have a 12-game schedule. Home-field gives you a 15% advantage. The difference between the best teams and the worst teams varies a lot more than in the NFL. Marshall would probably go 2-12 if it played the entire SEC.
Back in the "old days," everything was about winning your conference. A bowl game was the reward for a truly great season. Now, bowl games are awarded for 6-6 seasons, and we try and determine a national champion based on very little information. A four-team playoff is only slightly more valid than a two-team playoff. But any playoff is better than no playoff because at least those games are on more neutral sites. I'd like to see a 24-team playoff, with the top eight conference-winners receiving a bye.
Auburn lost at Mississippi State and Mississippi State is undefeated, so the way we do polls today, MSU is #1. But the computers mostly say Auburn is better, because Auburn has gone 7-1 with a schedule that is much tougher than anyone else's. Not that MSU hasn't had quality wins (it won't help this perception or the computer rankings, though, having their FCS opponent come up next weekend while Auburn hosts A&M). Human polls are more politics than analysis. And I think this new committee, especially since it isn't allowed to use scores of games, will create more controversy than it solves.
I hear what you're saying and I agree. I think we will see a progressively larger playoff going forwards. In other words, I think the playoff will expand from a 4 team field to either a 6 or 8 team field. 6 teams would follow a NFL format with the top 2 seeds given a bye, and each power 5 conference champion would be given a slot plus one at large bid. If you expand to 8 teams, you have 3 at large bids and no byes. I think the expansion to 8 makes more sense than 6 and I think this jives generally with your message because it's more even among the top 8 instead of giving an advantage to the top 2. But with either expansion, I think it would deliver a more satisfying champion due to each conference champion getting a representative. I don't think we will see this right away, the bowls have too much to lose, but it would be my ideal outcome.
 

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the Group of 5 spot in the access bowls got interesting with ECU's fumbleplosion yesterday. The spot goes to the highest ranked conference champion of the smaller conferences.
 
ECU is in a logjam of  five 1-loss conference teams in the American, and they don't play two of them, Memphis and Houston, so this conference may have a tie at the top. So even if ECU wins out, they might not win the conference outright. Do shares count for the spot?
 
Colorado St is 8-1 with a decent win over BC, but they can't win their division unless Boise St loses, since Boise beat them. Boise is 6-2, with losses to Ole Miss and Air Force. 
 
Then there is Marshall, who's been busy blowing out crappy teams. F/+ rates them highest amoung group of 5 teams, but they haven't played anyone. 
 
Then there's Georgia Southern, who has eviscerated the Sun Belt in their first season but has two close losses to NC State and Georgia Tech, by 5 points total.
I don't think Georgia Southern is bowl eligible this year. Something about the transition from FCS to FBS.
 

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Georgia Southern is an interesting situation. They can win the conference, but they aren't bowl eligible unless a.) the SunBelt can't fill its three bowl bids, or b.) there aren't enough teams with 6 wins to fill the 76 bowl bids. The SunBelt should fill its bids, so they are hoping for a lot of teams in other leagues to finish 5-7. By my count, including GSU, there are 47 teams with 6+ wins and 69 teams with 5 wins or more. 
 

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Dan to Theo to Ben said:
So true.
 
And ND State is probably a better team than all of them. And Harvard may be better than at least one of those.
Sagarin rates NDSU higher than all of them, on most of his comp polls, and NDSU's schedule 142 and Marshall's schedule 150.
 
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Infield Infidel said:
Sagarin rates NDSU higher than all of them, on most of his comp polls, and NDSU's schedule 142 and Marshall's schedule 150.
Auburn is #1 there, but I'm not sure how Oklahoma (4) is ahead of both Miss St (5) and FSU (13)
 

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Football Central University is looking to add a Top 10 (or 9, we're kinda anti-round number) list to our weekly coverage and this thread & list contributions would be invaluable to us. 
 
Can we use your list as part of a consensus list we pull together?
 
Let me know if this is OK and if you'd like to contribute more. 
 
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It is looking near inevitable the SEC is about to erupt upon itself and destroy its own chances for two team making the playoffs.
 
 
1. Mississippi St - Only have to win at Alabama and Ole Miss (And watch out for Vandebilt) to make the SEC Championship game against Missouri or Georgia. Nothing to it!  Clear favorites for the one seed if they can hold on.  
 
2. Florida St - They are making their cake walk after Notre Dame look liker a tight rope walk.  Don't have anyone of interest in their way until the Playoff.  Still determined to make it interesting.
 
3. Auburn - Only have to win rivals Georgia and Alabama then hope Mississippi St loses to get to the SEC championship. Pretty Easy right? That said Auburn and Mississippi St winning out is the best chance for two SEC teams making the national championship.
 
4. Oregon - Control their own fate.  Not the toughest schedule going forward however Utah and Oregon St are not push overs.  There is also the PAC-12 Championship with either a rematch with Arizona or Arizona St.  Always a chance USC can make a run and ruin everyone's time too
 
5. Alabama - They have not looked impressive outside of Tuscaloosa and have not been as impressive as seasons past. Big game at LSU begins a hellish stretch that will actually test Alabama and see if they are just pretenders.
 
6. Kansas St - The Big 12 is a mess and could get messier in the last 4 weeks.  That said Kansas St's one loss was to a very good Auburn team.  They have a hell of a road to winning the Big 12 facing all their competitors on the road but they took care of Oklahoma away from home.
 
7. Notre Dame - Golson seems to want to make every game interesting, or see how many heartaches he can possibly cause in the course of a season.  Of the one loss teams, arguably the best loss.  Still nothing of real note yet with Stanford falling on their face.  
 
8. Michigan St - Is the Big 10 this bad?  They can't be right?  Michigan St has its biggest challenge this weekend to a very meh Ohio St team. The Big 10 has given us nothing to think they can hang with the other power conferences and Michigan St's best non conference game was 19 pt loss to Oregon
 
9. Baylor - I am excluding TCU from the top ten but really it is a coin flip for me between TCU and Baylor.  Baylor beat TCU at home in a shootout so point Baylor.  The question is if they just had one bad game against WV or if they will be exposed by Kansas St.
 
10. Arizona St. - They got killed by UCLA at home.  That was bad.  But they control their own fate going forward.  A win against Notre Dame can really solidify them as a legitimate contender.
 
Outside looking in:
 
TCU - They are right there with Baylor.  Win this week and they are a top ten team praying someone else can beat Baylor for the Big 12.  
 
Ohio State - Just so unimpressive so far.  If they can pull the upset off, they have to be a top ten team right?  Or do we start admitting to our selves how bad the Big 10 is this year?
 
Edit - Playoff prediction:
 
Ole Miss / Kansas St
Auburn / Florida St
 

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Football Central University is looking to add a Top 10 (or 9, we're kinda anti-round number) list to our weekly coverage and this thread & list contributions would be invaluable to us. 
 
Can we use your list as part of a consensus list we pull together?
 
Let me know if this is OK and if you'd like to contribute more. 
 
Dave
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Great idea, it would be cool if we could establish a group of people to vote every week. I think it there would be more value if the poll came from the same group of people. 
 

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Dgilpin said:
 
Great idea, it would be cool if we could establish a group of people to vote every week. I think it there would be more value if the poll came from the same group of people. 
 
That's what we're thinking, too. A panel of voters, one or two sentences (if inspiration strikes) about certain picks, then assembling a consensus with comments by different voters sprinkled throughout. 
 
We've got three voters (yourself, Tom, Hambone) and hopefully DtTtB and Infield Infidel (and others?) can join. 
 
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soxfan121 said:
 
Football Central University is looking to add a Top 10 (or 9, we're kinda anti-round number) list to our weekly coverage and this thread & list contributions would be invaluable to us. 
 
Can we use your list as part of a consensus list we pull together?
 
Let me know if this is OK and if you'd like to contribute more. 
 
Dave
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soxfan121 said:
 
Football Central University is looking to add a Top 10 (or 9, we're kinda anti-round number) list to our weekly coverage and this thread & list contributions would be invaluable to us. 
 
Can we use your list as part of a consensus list we pull together?
 
Let me know if this is OK and if you'd like to contribute more. 
 
Dave
david.mccullough@sonsofsamhorn.com
 
Sure thing.
 

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Is there budget for web cams and wardrobe, so Ricardo and I can bicker like Skip Bayless and Mark May before we reveal our #1 via wrestling match in mascot attire?
 

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Hambone said:
Is there budget for web cams and wardrobe, so Ricardo and I can bicker like Skip Bayless and Mark May before we reveal our #1 via wrestling match in mascot attire?
 
We should do a pregame next week.  I mean Notre Dame / Arizona St.