Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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I don't know what he means by that second one either, but it almost sounds like some of the arguments the Pats made earlier in the season---we play 60 minutes, so when we get to a game where we have to, we're ready.
 

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Seriously, if that were a hockey game the other night, Hines Ward would have had 5 instigator penalties. He was begging for a fight all night and was in somebody's face after every play. Actually a credit to the Jags and Del Rio for keeping their composure and sending that bitch home early. Maurice Jones Drew pissed on the Steelers and King still felates Ward? c'mon.
 

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Hines Ward is Wes Welker with twice as much natural athletic talent and a better football IQ (played QB at UGA in addition to lining up wide, in the slot, and in the backfield at various times). I'm sorry that you dislike him, but he is a very good player and he is fun to watch.
 

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Hines Ward is Wes Welker with twice as much natural athletic talent and a better football IQ (played QB at UGA in addition to lining up wide, in the slot, and in the backfield at various times). I'm sorry that you dislike him, but he is a very good player and he is fun to watch.
None of which has anything to do with Hines Ward's propensity for
  • Grittiness
  • Gutsyness
  • Talking Trash
Your post (hyperbole aside), while certainly open for debate, contains more actual insight as to why Hines Ward is a major factor on the football field than King's. It's unfortunate then that only 100-200 people will see yours while millions will read his.
 

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WTF:

Talking shit, whining, and bending the rules makes you a good player?

Jesus...Hines Ward is a very good player because he's big, athletic, and makes good plays. His relative "grittiness" or "gutsyness" and all that shit is pure crap.

How King can print this sort of stuff without knowing how dumb it sounds amazes me.

also:
I have no explanation for this, other than the suspicions [sic] that had the Bucs won, you'd be talking about how the Giants made a big mistake in playing the Patriots hard. This makes no sense: the players were rested, so they got worn out?
Uh, that makes perfect sense. Just as a muscle needs to be tested instead of rested to increase its endurance and can lose that endurance if if it goes too long without being worked, so can players conceivably lose their ability to last a full game if they've gotten too much rest. I'm not saying that the Bucs were in fact too rested, nor that, if they were, that's why they lost. But to suggest King 's argument doesn't make sense is just wrong. It does make sense.
 

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Uh, that makes perfect sense. Just as a muscle needs to be tested instead of rested to increase its endurance and can lose that endurance if if it goes too long without being worked, so can players conceivably lose their ability to last a full game if they've gotten too much rest. I'm not saying that the Bucs were in fact too rested, nor that, if they were, that's why they lost. But to suggest King 's argument doesn't make sense is just wrong. It does make sense.
King's argument, then, makes sense only if it is assumed that the only way the players could have worked out enough to maintain their endurance is if they participated in actual games. It is my understanding that players are generally held out of games as an injury-precaution; that the "rest" is really a break from the dings, bumps, and bruises that come with full-contact performance. I don't think (I could be wrong) that they players were kept out of their regular routines of work-outs and drills.
 

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I just missed the chance to run over a jogging Peter King. I am so sorry. I just thought about the jail time I would do and I choked.
I will divulge what street it was on to the appropriate hitman.
 

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This is from Don Banks, but, uh, is he fucking losing it?

Doozy of a doubleheader of defeat Sunday for the Manning clan. Peyton's Colts go down at home against the Chargers, and Eli's Giants can't quite pull the upset at Dallas. We not only lost any shot at a Manning versus Manning Super Bowl, but that Eli versus Philip Rivers Super Bowl showdown is off the board, too.
This was posted about 10 minutes ago. What?
 

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This is from Don Banks, but, uh, is he fucking losing it?
This was posted about 10 minutes ago. What?
At risk of a thread hijack, I found this note in Banks' column to be pretty asinine.

Maybe the most amazing thing I heard all weekend was that the Atlanta Falcons hired Patriots director of college scouting Tom Dimitroff as their new general manager without ever interviewing him in person. He conducted his interview with team owner Arthur Blank and Falcons team president Rich McKay via satellite last weekend. All other GM and coaching candidates met with the duo face-to-face.

I suppose you can score one for technology in this instance, but I find it remarkable that Blank, in essence, turned over the direction of his franchise to someone who he had never spent time with in person. To a degree, you could say Dimitroff was hired by the Falcons sight unseen (except on a TV screen). I can just hear Blank say to his new hire on his first day of work: "Oh, you looked a little heavier on TV.''
I guess Banks likes to be able to get a sense of one's aura while evaluating them.
 

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today:

• A week ago, Joe Gibbs, Tony Dungy and Mike Holmgren weren't on anyone's firing line. By the end of this week, they all might be unemployed.

• I think Dungy's gone. I'm waffling on Holmgren, but if I had to put a latte on it, I'd bet he's gone, too.
EDIT: Anytime someone says "I don't know. I don't know yet," as an answer to a question whether or not he'll retire, it means "Yea, I'll come back. But I want to be showered with attention, first."

I think Dungy is saying it to distract people from the loss last night. You know, "Instead of talking about the loss, let's talk about how good I've been and how much it would suck to lose me."
 

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drleather, he means that Dungy might retire (not fired).

EDIT - Apparently Dungy never wanted to be a "football lifer" - he wants to work with the prison ministry or fly kites or something.

EDIT2 - King worded that oddly, though.
 
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drleather, he means that Dungy might retire (not fired).
Yeah, he obviously means quit. By why say "firing line"?

Again, it's the little details that he gets wrong that are irritating, at least to me. Like saying Brady was a "ref's buried whistle" and a drop by Welker from being 28-28. Well, actually, had they called PI on the one Watson dropped, he doesn't get a completion. And he says, "One problem. Northcutt clearly had alligator arms on the play, fearing the big hit from the New England safety." No, it was Asante Samuel coming in from the other side, not a safety.

Yes, he's still a good read. No, I'm not jealous of him or the Sports Guy.
 

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This is kind of fucked up. "King seeks out confection because Brett Favre likened it to feces"

Seems that the Packers have this 2007 tradition that started the first week of the season. Instead of a rookie getting the donuts at Stadium Bakery across the street from Lambeau Field, coach Mike McCarthy gets a few dozen the morning before each home game. And in the team meeting and the quarterbacks/wide receivers meeting that morning, the donuts are devoured.

One of the donuts is a plain, small, crescent-shaped brown thing, with a couple of small ridges. Glazed. When McCarthy brought them in at the beginning of the season, Brett Favre took one look at them and christened them "turds.'' A couple of times Favre has had to remind McCarthy to "remember the turds.''

On Friday morning, I went into Stadium Bakery and ordered one turd. "Aaah,'' the guy said. "You must have talked to someone from the Packers.'' It cost 60 cents. It reminded me of a regular plain donut, with a glazed frosting. Not so memorable, really, except the name it's been given in the building across the street.
Continiuing with the ambiguously homo-erotic word choices:

a. If Pete Carroll ever gets to second base with Arthur Blank, I'm turning in my sportswriter's license. I give up. I will be ... well, let's see. What is the word beyond "shocked?'' Um, whatever that is, that's what I'll be.
 

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Isn't what he's describing a honey-dipper crueller? What am I missing here?

Edit: Leather, if Favre told King that anal sex was a lot of fun, Peter would have his pants around his ankles in three seconds and we'd read it as a part of "Factoids that May Only Interest Me".

Have you heard of anal sex with another man? Apparently it's the new thing. Brett Favre texted me about it the other day and told me to come up to his hotel room. You always have to answer a Favre text and that goes double for a texted command. Not to bore you with the details, but apparent anal sex occurs when a man sticks his penis in your ass. I was skeptical at first, but man this is something that I could get into. Who says you can't teach an old dogs a new trick?
 

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g. Is the Seattle deal for Deion Branch turning into a full-fledged disaster or what? Two years of fairly low impact (102 catches) for a high price (a first-round pick went to New England, and $6.5 million per year went to Branch). Now he'll need ACL surgery and probably won't be ready to start the '08 season on the active roster.

h. That's still more than the Titans are getting out of Branch's former running mate, David Givens. He's missed almost all of his two Tennessee seasons with chronic knee problems, and Jeff Fisher says he might not be ready for the start of 2008 training camp either.
From this morning's article, amidst all the personal life details and the fawning over personal favorites.
 

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There was one, read it one line about Brett Favre's atrocious second-half play in MMQB today:

"g. Brett, Brett, Brett. Take it easy. No reason to throw the pick to McQuarters. None."

It was in the last tenth of the article. If Favre and the Packers had won the game, the lead would have had nothing to do with the cold, but would have focused exclusively on Favre triumphantly returning to the Super Bowl. Look, I like Peter King, and I like his meandering articles about personal relationships and such a lot of the time, but just call it like you see it both ways. There is zero mention of the interception to Webster, an awful and inexcusable throw, and he talks about the Packers offense zero the entire article, seemingly because he can't bear to criticize his binky. I thought that was pretty low. I know Favre and King are very close, but he should have a little more journalistic integrity if he is writing a sum-up of the games yesterday - how could Favre's second-half ineptitude not be a bigger story? I don't get it.
 

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From what he liked about this week:

"c. Now that's the way to run the ball, Michael Turner."
I'm not saying this to single him out, because I've seen other analysts claiming that Turner ran well against New England. He had 17 carries for 65 yards. That's about 3.65 yards per carry.

Or maybe he's just calling LT a pussy, but I have a hard time believing that.

The rest of the article was a standard King read. Pretty solid, with some craziness mixed in.
 

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From what he liked about this week:
I'm not saying this to single him out, because I've seen other analysts claiming that Turner ran well against New England. He had 17 carries for 65 yards. That's about 3.65 yards per carry.
I'm glad you've pointed this out. I've seen a lot of commentary saying how this exposure will really help Turner's status as he enters unrestricted free agency. I think he's a good runner, but yesterday's effort was nothing particularly head turning.
 

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Peter King has officially morphed into Larry King:

You're better than that, Kevin B-acon.
Edit: B-acon has been replaced by something else. Good show, whomever did that.

The best thing is that this is going to be my new go-to quote for anything that I don't agree with.

BTW, is anyone getting sick of King (Peter, not Larry) bitching about no one getting to the bottom of the Matt Walsh thing? You work for NBC, HBO and Sports Illustrated. You massage the balls of more players (they TEXT you, dude!) and allegedly have more football connections than anyone on the planet. Here's a terrific idea: why don't you stop watching dopey movies, going to Afghanistan and chugging triple-fat Latte grandes and do some fucking investigative reporting. I'm sure the world will be able to live without your thoughts on "The Family Guy", iPods and other pop culture phenomena that was introduced to the world at large five years ago.

Jesus.
 

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What was the point of his shitting all over the folks selling stuff in Instanbul?

"Forty-five hundred shops!'' Hassan the carpet man tells me when I make the fatal mistake of engaging him in conversation. Hassan is Babu Bhatt, a Seinfeldian friendly man who cannot stop talking. Now he wants to sell me carpet. He has his hand pulling my arm into the shop, and I politely say I live in New Jersey and I don't want carpet.

"I lived in Secaucus!'' he explodes. "I got tired of the Lincoln Tunnel and came home!''

I try to leave. "Nonononono! What a bargain. Your wife will be furious if you do not bring home one of my carpets!''

Guess I'll be sleeping on the couch when I get home.

On my way out, the sock man accosts me for the third time. He has a five-pack of black dress socks. The first time I saw him, he asked for 10 lira ($8) for the socks. The second time, eight lira. This time: "Five! You cannot refuse now! I am giving these socks away!'' Pain in his voice. I keep walking.
Are we supposed to think he's resolute or something?

"Great Job, Peter! You really showed those probably-borderline-destitute people what's what! God forbid you throw them a bone on your NFL-sponsored vacation from your 6-figure job! Make those fools EARN their money!"

Then he willingly hands over $15 fucking bucks for a coffee at Starbucks. Jesus, man. You're in fucking TURKEY! They have some of the finest coffee in the world!

EDIT: also, his little spiel about feeling in danger because they flew over a small town...Peter, fucking-a: there is no way in hell that you would have been allowed to go anywhere that might have been designated as remotely dangerous. You went there on a goodwill mission, and also so you'd do exactly what you're doing now: write about how nice it is over there for the troops and what a great time you had. You recommend it as a vacation. Yup. Way to drum up support for the troops.
 

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Leather, I scanned over his trip to Afghanistan, but wanted to read more about Turkey because like you said, he couldn't have bought eight pairs of socks for (roughly) $3? Seriously. He's an asshole. I can understand that these guys selling stuff can be hounds, but give me a break. Don't brag about your frugal nature in one paragraph and then tell us you spent $15 on a cup of fucking Starbucks coffee in the next.

He really is an ugly American. He's the reason why Americans get a bad rap when they go overseas.

Speaking of which, on the last page his teeth are disgustingly yellow. Drop the coffee, pick up a toothbrush.
 

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You guys are spot on--I read this piece of tripe yesterday and spent all day thinking has there ever been a bigger phony?
Every 7 page column has about .1 column inches of actual insight.
At least he hasn't started on his Manny bashing yet. " I don't care if a guy hits .330 with 40 bombs, I want guys who play for the love of the game, give me 11 David Ecksteins on the Red Sox any day."
Peter King looks like the bride of Frankenstein's brother.
 

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King was just on Dale and Holley talking about his trip to Afghanistan. It was a pretty good interview until he compared a gritty squad leader that was smart (probably got 1600 on his SATs, hyperbole I'm sure) and fierce to guess who.... Brett Favre.

I was so pissed at that analogy I turned off my radio and didn't hear what followed. He may have redeemed himself but I didn't feel like listening to any more knob gobbling. Comparing Favre to a combat soldier getting shot at everyday with his life litterally on the line every day was more than I could bare.

And for the most part I like King.
 

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King was just on Dale and Holley talking about his trip to Afghanistan. It was a pretty good interview until he compared a gritty squad leader that was smart (probably got 1600 on his SATs, hyperbole I'm sure) and fierce to guess who.... Brett Favre.

I was so pissed at that analogy I turned off my radio and didn't hear what followed. He may have redeemed himself but I didn't feel like listening to any more knob gobbling. Comparing Favre to a combat soldier getting shot at everyday with his life litterally on the line every day was more than I could bare.

And for the most part I like King.

Not to mention the insinuation that Brett Favre is a 1600 SAT Score kind of guy. I mean, come the fuck on.
 

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Why can't Peter King just do a Gammons-style notes column and leave it at that?

Some people would argue that King's folksy anecdotes are what separates MMQB from the other columns in cyber space, but he's really starting to turn me off to his stuff and from the reactions in this thread, others as well. And one of the things that made me laugh in this week's column was one of the soldiers telling King that John Madden is probably crying somewhere now that Favre has retired and King laughing. He really didn't understand that the soldier was absolutely tooling on him.
 

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BTW, is anyone getting sick of King (Peter, not Larry) bitching about no one getting to the bottom of the Matt Walsh thing? You work for NBC, HBO and Sports Illustrated. You massage the balls of more players (they TEXT you, dude!) and allegedly have more football connections than anyone on the planet. Here's a terrific idea: why don't you stop watching dopey movies, going to Afghanistan and chugging triple-fat Latte grandes and do some fucking investigative reporting. I'm sure the world will be able to live without your thoughts on "The Family Guy", iPods and other pop culture phenomena that was introduced to the world at large five years ago.
I agree wholeheartedly. But, do you believe that e-mailng that rant directly to Peter King would have an effect? If you don't, I will.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly. But, do you believe that e-mailng that rant directly to Peter King would have an effect? If you don't, I will.
I honestly don't think that he'd answer that particular email, but if you want to do it, be my guest.

I think that King answers emails that are complimentary and more on his ways of thinking. I would guarantee that two or three years ago, a majority of his emails were "I don't give a fuck about your daughter's softball team. Quit talking about it." In fact, whenever there was an email about the softball team it was always positive. That's not to say that I think King is a dick for not printing every email he gets, but there are unwritten rules.

If he responds, I'd love to see it though.
 

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Peter King appeared on WEEI’s Dale & Holley show today to discuss his recent USO tour in Afghanistan. He talked about the troops, and how they use football and talking about football as a real escape from what they have to deal with from day to day.

King loves to talk, and to tell stories of the people he talks to and his experiences. Today however, he might’ve gone a little too far when he gave out the number of Special Forces platoons in in Afghanistan.

A later caller to the show, who claimed to be connected to the military, criticized King for revealing this type of information over the airwaves and suggested that someone should pull King aside and advise him that he might need to be a little more careful about the things that he talks about on the radio. Dale and Holley agreed with this counsel, with Arnold saying that he would send King an email about it

ooopsie
 

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Nice going, asshole.

EDIT: I think there should be a congressional investigation into this. I mean...something smells fishy here. Someone must know something, but they aren't talking.

There's a lot more to this story, a lot more questions, than are being reported. We have to get to the bottom of it.

Stay tuned.
 

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He really is a dumb fuck, isn't he?

I was thinking of starting a FJM style blog devoted just to Peter King. But, I don't think that I have the time.
 

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I was thinking of starting a FJM style blog devoted just to Peter King. But, I don't think that I have the time.
When he discovered your 'blog' in three years while drinking his Grande Dandelion-Chai-Syrup-Bean-Latte at the Starbucks across the street from his daughters campus you'd crush his gentle spirit and he'd need a weekend fishing with Brett Favre to get over it and then we'd get a special 4 page 'Fishing with Favre' MMQB full of platitudes and 'remember when you played QB better than anyone who ever lived', 'aw shucks it was my life' stories interspaced around the revelation that this show called 'Lost' is just too damn confusing and full of misery and enough sillyness to do a mans head in... But then you'd probably be more than happy to use that article in your blog so you may as well go for it, mate. I support you and promise to read your site at least twice a week.

p.s. - think of the troops.
 

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From yesterday's column:

Peter King: "Wow! Did you know some foreign officials are corrupt and accept bribes? Holy Shit!"

I thought it was good of him to note how Moss kept his word about staying in New England. Many writers who have routinely ripped Moss didn't bother.
 

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e. Baseball predictions (not to be taken remotely seriously): American League playoff teams: New York, Cleveland, Detroit (Wild Card), Los Angeles. National League playoff teams: Atlanta, New York Mets (Wild Card), Milwaukee, Arizona. World Series: Cleveland over Arizona in six. MVPs: Manny Ramirez, Boston; Johan Santana, New York. Cy Youngs: Justin Verlander, Detroit; Santana.

f. Fourth place, NL MVP voting: Yunel Escobar, shortstop, Atlanta. You'll see.
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I can't wait to see.
 

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This from a guy that said not two years ago that he thought losing Tek for an extended period of time was worse than losing Manny, and that he hates Manny.

I think what happened is that King has Manny on his fantasy team, sees that he's off to a hot start, and is now singing a different tune entirely.
 

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This from a guy that said not two years ago that he thought losing Tek for an extended period of time was worse than losing Manny, and that he hates Manny.

I think what happened is that King has Manny on his fantasy team, sees that he's off to a hot start, and is now singing a different tune entirely.
Ah yes, but he apparently does still hate Manny:

g. Manny Ramirez is going to have one of his greatest years ever, the result of a winter of conditioning at Athletes Performance Institute in Arizona. But he's also going to drive me out of my mind with his idiotic posing on long non-homers, which will reduce his total bases by 20. He's already turned one triple into a double in one of the Japan games.
I was at that game. I was mostly too busy freaking out and hugging random SoSHers to watch Manny on the basepaths but I doubt he'd have had a triple. And who gives a shit if he did, anyway?
 

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Ah yes, but he apparently does still hate Manny:
I was at that game. I was mostly too busy freaking out and hugging random SoSHers to watch Manny on the basepaths but I doubt he'd have had a triple. And who gives a shit if he did, anyway?
Everyone over the age of 45 who used to watch the game played "the right way" when they were growing up.

It turned them into the men they are, and they fear for the next generation and how posing for homeruns will affect their grandchildren.
 

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Everyone over the age of 45 who used to watch the game played "the right way" when they were growing up.

It turned them into the men they are, and they fear for the next generation and how posing for homeruns will affect their grandchildren.
Manny posing for non-home runs isn't something that should be defended. We'll see if one of those gazing moments ends up effecting the outcome of a game; I say it will at some point.

And Manny probably had no chance for a triple on that hit, but he barely made it to second and could have been thrown out. He doesn't have to turn into Charlie Hustle, but him watching a live ball for as long as he did is weak. You hit a bomb and you want to raise your arms, *maybe* OK, but if you're keeping it in the park, get the flock out of the batters box before the ball lands, please.