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Then, later in the game, Allen lost his shit on the Myles Jack harmless but late contact when he was sliding.

Not sure the remedy. Not sure there's many guys that can pull it off.
The remedy is Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards from previous spot. But yeah, it's tough to call. Perhaps the slide is too simple, and offensive players need a visual cue (à la the fair catch signal) to advise they're giving themselves up at a particular spot. I'd suggest both hands up in the air, a truly defenseless posture.
 

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I think the easiest solution is to change the rules on slides... you get a step. If you hit the QB (except in the head) on a late slide and you took no more than 1 step it's not a PF. QBs have figured out that you can wait for the guy to commit, then slide into the tackle and get the flag, and defenders have had to adjust by being tentative.
 

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Agreed, I also think this problem is mitigated if they make PF reviewable. The league says it wants to take violent hits out of the game. Fine. But the refs consistently overlegislate this stuff, perhaps understandably.

I know making penalties reviewable is a big step. But getting these calls right should be the priority.
 

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Did the O-line play that poorly? To me it looks like teams just realized the Eagles had no answer for the blitz and sent more than they could block.
Hurts' numbers against the blitz have been really bad.

From the Eagles.com preview of last night's game:

"This season, Hurts had a completion percentage of 67.8, a TD/INT ratio of 17/7, and a passer rating of 97 when teams did not blitz. When they did, Hurts completed 61.1 percent of his attempts, posted a 6/8 TD/INT ratio, and his passer rating dipped to 74.7. "
I think your point about the blitz is correct, but I saw them generally lost in space; i.e. pulling or folding then stopping or slowing down like what they were seeing was unexpected. Preparation and coaching.
 

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Teams have ended the season poorly but I can't remember a championship-caliber team that so visibly gave up as the Eagles. In any sport.
 

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That was the most frustrating season in my 43 years of being an Eagles fan and I am thankful that is' over.

I think there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'm surprised at how underreported the AJ Brown bits have been. Midseason AJ and Hurts had a blowup on the sideline. Speculation was AJ wasn't getting the ball thrown his way and he was pissed. He and Hurts denied that was the content, but it seemed fairly obvious to me at the time. AJ then went on to have over 125 yards receiving in the next six games or something. Fast forward to week 16ish - AJ hasn't been productive for weeks, the Eagles are losing to terrible teams, and AJ is no longer making himself available to the media saying basically "my momma told me if I didn't have anything nice to say to keep my mouth shut". AJ seems very unhappy. Just prior to the week 18 game vs NY he hold court in front of his locker saying everything was awesome and he's just super competitive blah blah blah. But then, he hurts his knee vs NY. Downplayed the injury immediately after the game. Then Thur or Fri of last week he deactivates his Twitter and removes all mentions of the Eagles from his IG. Next day it's announced he's OUT for the Bucs game. Thought process from the media seemed to be "no big deal he did those things because he's injured", but since when does being injured lead to deactivating Twitter and the IG stuff? Nothing publicly from AJ at all, just the party line of "he tried to get healthy enough but couldn't do it". And finally I saw a pic of him ringside at a boxing match in NJ or something Sunday night and he didn't go to Tampa with the team (as far as I can tell). So yeah don't travel because you should rest your knee but go to a boxing match Sunday night?

I've seen no speculation from any media types so I'm probably nuts but this all seems beyond bizarre to me, and I'm expecting some shit to come out in the media at some point.
 

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I think the easiest solution is to change the rules on slides... you get a step. If you hit the QB (except in the head) on a late slide and you took no more than 1 step it's not a PF. QBs have figured out that you can wait for the guy to commit, then slide into the tackle and get the flag, and defenders have had to adjust by being tentative.
Get rid of the slide, you run past the line of scrimmage and you are a runner. If you don’t want your QB to risk contact have them throw it away
 

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That was the most frustrating season in my 43 years of being an Eagles fan and I am thankful that is' over.

I think there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'm surprised at how underreported the AJ Brown bits have been. Midseason AJ and Hurts had a blowup on the sideline. Speculation was AJ wasn't getting the ball thrown his way and he was pissed. He and Hurts denied that was the content, but it seemed fairly obvious to me at the time. AJ then went on to have over 125 yards receiving in the next six games or something. Fast forward to week 16ish - AJ hasn't been productive for weeks, the Eagles are losing to terrible teams, and AJ is no longer making himself available to the media saying basically "my momma told me if I didn't have anything nice to say to keep my mouth shut". AJ seems very unhappy. Just prior to the week 18 game vs NY he hold court in front of his locker saying everything was awesome and he's just super competitive blah blah blah. But then, he hurts his knee vs NY. Downplayed the injury immediately after the game. Then Thur or Fri of last week he deactivates his Twitter and removes all mentions of the Eagles from his IG. Next day it's announced he's OUT for the Bucs game. Thought process from the media seemed to be "no big deal he did those things because he's injured", but since when does being injured lead to deactivating Twitter and the IG stuff? Nothing publicly from AJ at all, just the party line of "he tried to get healthy enough but couldn't do it". And finally I saw a pic of him ringside at a boxing match in NJ or something Sunday night and he didn't go to Tampa with the team (as far as I can tell). So yeah don't travel because you should rest your knee but go to a boxing match Sunday night?

I've seen no speculation from any media types so I'm probably nuts but this all seems beyond bizarre to me, and I'm expecting some shit to come out in the media at some point.
Add to that Sirianni's sideline blowup with Reddick (Whom Patricia decided to use in pass coverage at the end of the season for some reason) and DeVonta Smith being upset at times this season and you couldn't help but think something was going on behind the scenes.

They've looked completely out of sync all season. The wins brought more aggravation than joy. The losses were epic faceplants.
 

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Maybe it’s crazy, but maybe make it “no contact” on a head first slide rather than feet first? That way when there is the inevitable contact it will be on the legs rather than than the head.
 

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I am sorry, I am old school. Once you are a runner, you are a runner. No special rules for the QB when he decides to run. Watch Tyler Lockett, he catches the ball and gives himself up all the time.
 

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Was an explanation ever given as to why Sirianni handed the defensive playcalling over to Patricia? Was it just panic after the 49ers and Cowboys hung 75 on them in back-to-back weeks?
 

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In real time I thought Allen was juking, but that replay shows he also started to duck as he stutter-stepped. That’s clearly him trying to fake a slide. Should 100% be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
 

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The NFL is already ridiculously over officiated. If the refs are going to start deliberating on whether a runner's movement is a juke or the start of a fake slide the game is going to be unwatchable.

IMO football needs far fewer penalties not more. I'd be all for getting rid of all the ticky-tack personal fouls on the QB, especially in the pocket. Too often QBs are playing for the flag.
 

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In the NCAA faking a slide is the same as sliding. The ball is dead immediately. But I don't think that's a perfect remedy.

Watching the video...he's maybe faking a slide. But it's not 100%. I wouldn't want to blow the ball dead on a quasi-fake slide when it may just be an unathletic looking juke move. I'd have to be 100% sure he's faking a slide to insert myself and declare the play over.
 

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I'm all for taking away the QB exception. If he's across the line of scrimmage, treat him like everyone else.
The slide rule isn't QB specific. Any runner can slide.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/down-by-contact/#:~:text=sliding feet-first on the,his hands or his feet.
  1. when a runner declares himself down by:
    1. falling to the ground, or kneeling, and clearly making no immediate effort to advance.
    2. sliding feet-first on the ground. When a runner slides feet-first, the ball is dead the instant he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet.
  2. Notes:
    1. Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact.
    2. A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender makes forcible contact into the head or neck area of the runner with the helmet, shoulder, or forearm, or commits some other act that is unnecessary roughness.
    3. A runner who desires to take advantage of this protection is responsible for starting his slide before contact by a defensive player is imminent; if he does not, and waits until the last moment to begin his slide, he puts himself in jeopardy of being contacted.
 

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The slide rule isn't QB specific. Any runner can slide.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/down-by-contact/#:~:text=sliding feet-first on the,his hands or his feet.
  1. when a runner declares himself down by:
    1. falling to the ground, or kneeling, and clearly making no immediate effort to advance.
    2. sliding feet-first on the ground. When a runner slides feet-first, the ball is dead the instant he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet.
  2. Notes:
    1. Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact.
    2. A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender makes forcible contact into the head or neck area of the runner with the helmet, shoulder, or forearm, or commits some other act that is unnecessary roughness.
    3. A runner who desires to take advantage of this protection is responsible for starting his slide before contact by a defensive player is imminent; if he does not, and waits until the last moment to begin his slide, he puts himself in jeopardy of being contacted.
One of the biggest problems to me is simple... the refs do not actually apply Note #2 well at all. They have an incredibly strict view of "unavoidable" than encourages late slides because any contact gets flagged.
 

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Get rid of the slide, you run past the line of scrimmage and you are a runner. If you don’t want your QB to risk contact have them throw it away
This is what I was getting at last night. I understand why the league wants to protect QBs, and that there's an added entertainment factor with guys like Lamar and Allen who can run. But there needs to be a recognition that not just anyone can do it (helps to be big), and that there's an inherent risk to it. Under the current rules, QBs get to have it both ways.

The underlying overlegislation of rules and their enforcement is a real problem, and I don't know if the genie can be put back in the bottle. It's like the income tax code - layer upon layer of sometimes confusing and contradictory rules, but everyone is so invested in it (including or especially those who've figured out how to game it) that it's hard to imagine it being truly simplified.
 

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One of the biggest problems to me is simple... the refs do not actually apply Note #2 well at all. They have an incredibly strict view of "unavoidable" than encourages late slides because any contact gets flagged.
This gets to one of my biggest pet peeves with broadcasters and on-air rules experts, which is when they watch a slow-motion replay and scoldingly say "That's going to get called 100% of the time" - as if the defender should somehow just avoid it every time when it's a lot tougher in real time, especially when you're trying to stop a QB who can really run and knows how to use the rule to his advantage.
 

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This gets to one of my biggest pet peeves with broadcasters and on-air rules experts, which is when they watch a slow-motion replay and scoldingly say "That's going to get called 100% of the time" - as if the defender should somehow just avoid it every time when it's a lot tougher in real time, especially when you're trying to stop a QB who can really run and knows how to use the rule to his advantage.
It's not really about fairness, it's about keeping the QB in the game at all costs.
 

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One of the biggest problems to me is simple... the refs do not actually apply Note #2 well at all. They have an incredibly strict view of "unavoidable" than encourages late slides because any contact gets flagged.
And just on gut, hits on post-LOS QBs get a lot more scrutiny than any other position. Like, if that play was exactly the same but James Cook went into a slide for whatever reason and then got hit by Jack, they don't call a penalty as I don't think there's a reasonable argument that Myles Jack could pull up on that...unless Jack was specifically playing for a world where RBs regularly slid in that territory to avoid a hit.

Basically, Allen and Mahomes (and other QBs I'm sure, they're just the two I hear about the most and who are probably most physically able to do so) often take advantage of these specialized rules that exist for QBs where they get the (IMO justified) health protections QBs enjoy but than use the fear defenders have of committing a penalty to then extend plays they wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to. Like, I don't think Allen was going for a fake slide but there's no real universe that that "move" whatever it is gets that result without the slide rule and referee flags on it don't exist.

It does feel like the most elegant solution is to eliminate the slide rule and treat QBs the same as any other running past the line of scrimmage (edit: to CFB's point though, if the goal is to reduce the likelihood of the QB going out...I don't know how you really fix that. I can't help but feel the slide isn't any more safe than other methods of going down, whether it's diving or turtling or turning away from a hit or whatever)
 

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Was an explanation ever given as to why Sirianni handed the defensive playcalling over to Patricia? Was it just panic after the 49ers and Cowboys hung 75 on them in back-to-back weeks?
100% results driven. Panic. I mean I didn't like the D at that point in time either but I'm a fan and I'm allowed to panic. Sirianni totally owned the move and it's blown up in his face. Can't believe what a fall from grace this guy has had in under a year.
 

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100% results driven. Panic. I mean I didn't like the D at that point in time either but I'm a fan and I'm allowed to panic. Sirianni totally owned the move and it's blown up in his face. Can't believe what a fall from grace this guy has had in under a year.
Yeah, felt like a panic move once he acknowleged that the defense didn't have the horses, so he handed it to Patricia to see if he could work some magic.... he couldn't, their back 7 is garbage and it's really on Roseman, but Siriani will probably take the bullet.
 

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Yeah, felt like a panic move once he acknowleged that the defense didn't have the horses, so he handed it to Patricia to see if he could work some magic.... he couldn't, their back 7 is garbage and it's really on Roseman, but Siriani will probably take the bullet.
There's a lot of blame to go around, but yeah if anyone is getting a bullet in the head it's Sirianni over Howie for sure. I like Roseman but it's time for a philosophical shift away from their long-held belief that LBs aren't important and so they don't value them highly enough. They've never paid up for LBs and when they finally developed one in TJ Edwards they let him walk to Chicago and he was sorely missed. Same is true to a lesser extent at the safety position; they could have matched Detroit's offer for CJ Gardner-Johnson and didn't and that bit them too. I guess the counter is that they did invest a 3rd round pick in Nakobe Dean who's had injury issues, but whatever - the back 7 of the D was absolutely garbage. I can't believe how badly Bradberry fell off a cliff. His contract may make him uncuttable for '24 but I bet Slay is gonzo.
 

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There's a lot of blame to go around, but yeah if anyone is getting a bullet in the head it's Sirianni over Howie for sure. I like Roseman but it's time for a philosophical shift away from their long-held belief that LBs aren't important and so they don't value them highly enough. They've never paid up for LBs and when they finally developed one in TJ Edwards they let him walk to Chicago and he was sorely missed. Same is true to a lesser extent at the safety position; they could have matched Detroit's offer for CJ Gardner-Johnson and didn't and that bit them too. I guess the counter is that they did invest a 3rd round pick in Nakobe Dean who's had injury issues, but whatever - the back 7 of the D was absolutely garbage. I can't believe how badly Bradberry fell off a cliff. His contract may make him uncuttable for '24 but I bet Slay is gonzo.
Slay signed a new deal in May.... he would have a $35M cap hit if cut. Byard is 100% a cut (save $13M), Bradberry could be cut designated post June 1, but saves no money this year and clogs next year).
 

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There's a lot of blame to go around, but yeah if anyone is getting a bullet in the head it's Sirianni over Howie for sure. I like Roseman but it's time for a philosophical shift away from their long-held belief that LBs aren't important and so they don't value them highly enough. They've never paid up for LBs and when they finally developed one in TJ Edwards they let him walk to Chicago and he was sorely missed. Same is true to a lesser extent at the safety position; they could have matched Detroit's offer for CJ Gardner-Johnson and didn't and that bit them too. I guess the counter is that they did invest a 3rd round pick in Nakobe Dean who's had injury issues, but whatever - the back 7 of the D was absolutely garbage. I can't believe how badly Bradberry fell off a cliff. His contract may make him uncuttable for '24 but I bet Slay is gonzo.
This is what's great about this message board; fans of other teams offering great analysis as to what went wrong.

Great point about the back 7 on the Eagles defense, they did not play well, it's great to put emphasis on your offensive and defensive lines, but like you said, when the back 7 on defense is hot garbage, a front four can only do so much.

What a horrible collapse, 10-1 to losing 6 of your last 7 games and out of the playoffs.

Reminds me of the 1964 Phillies collapse as well.

Tough times in Philly right now, but hang in there, your owner is a no nonsense guy who will do his best to right the ship.

Thanks for your analysis, much appreciated.
 

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100% results driven. Panic. I mean I didn't like the D at that point in time either but I'm a fan and I'm allowed to panic. Sirianni totally owned the move and it's blown up in his face. Can't believe what a fall from grace this guy has had in under a year.
I think the biggest issue with Desai was the fact that the defense could not get off the field on 3rd down.

The Bills were 13/22, the 49ers were 8/11, the Cowboys were 9/16. But these are 3 of the best offenses in the league.

Patricia did improve that statistic over the last 4 games (They finished 30th after allowing 21/52 over thr final 4 games). But everything else was a mess. They were embarrassed by 2nd string QBs and bad teams. There was a ridiculous amount of pre-snap confusion on alignments.

At least Desai could hang his hat on the fact that he held the 3 and 6 seeds in the AFC to 17 and 10 points, respectively (with 0 2nd half points in either game). What's Patricia's biggest achievement? Not getting torched by Tommy DeVito?
 

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I think the biggest issue with Desai was the fact that the defense could not get off the field on 3rd down.

The Bills were 13/22, the 49ers were 8/11, the Cowboys were 9/16. But these are 3 of the best offenses in the league.

Patricia did improve that statistic over the last 4 games (They finished 30th after allowing 21/52 over thr final 4 games). But everything else was a mess. They were embarrassed by 2nd string QBs and bad teams. There was a ridiculous amount of pre-snap confusion on alignments.

At least Desai could hang his hat on the fact that he held the 3 and 6 seeds in the AFC to 17 and 10 points, respectively (with 0 2nd half points in either game). What's Patricia's biggest achievement? Not getting torched by Tommy DeVito?
Yes! It was reported that they actually first took away Desai's third down playcalling. Can you believe that? Like, you're the man and you're calling the D, except when 3rd down hits then we're doing this other thing. And then eventually it's "sorry you're not even calling 1st or 2nd down anymore we're going to jam your system onto Matt Patricia".

Total mess.

Offense too. The players said over and over again that their failures were all on them - lack of consistent execution. But to an extent you have to eventually believe your own lyin eyes to an extent. This team could simply not figure out how to do a short hot-read when facing a standard blitz. It was like they've never heard of this 'blitz' thing before. They've got an amazing OL, dynamic WRs, well above average TE and RB and the runner up MVP from last season who by all accounts works his ass off and you can't figure out Wink Martindale's gonna blitz the hell out of you so have a plan for that? Or Todd Bowles?

I was happy to see Gannon go, but man what a failure the D was. And I was more than comfortable with Brian Johnson taking over as OC, but maybe I should have been more concerned that this is the guys third season in the NFL at all. I see he's getting HC interviews at Carolina and I think Atlanta and that's preposterous unless they're just Rooney Rule related.

It's been said a million times but how important was Shane Steichen to this team last season? I did not appreciate the impact he had. As for the 10-1 start, they were like the worst 10-1 team of all time but they were still 10-1. I think talent took them there but as the league figured them out from last year and into this year Sirianni's crew had no answers whatsoever. I do believe the players lost confidence in the coaching staff and that they were exasperated and maybe even quit. I don't love the idea of Lurie getting a reputation as having a quick trigger finger but this is a real mess and I don't think you can roll Sirianni back out there with two new coordinators again and expect to compete at the highest level. What a clusterfuck.

@54thMA - thank you for the kind words!
 

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My predictions have been shit this playoffs and I had the Eagles returning to the SB. Reading the last few comments reminded me of my “if it goes sideways, here’s why” prediction.


“Iggles: They lost a lot of players on their defense, and they lost both coordinators. I think the offensive coordinator was good, but the defensive coordinator might be more of an addition by subtraction. It might be difficult to tell because personnel changes are a bigger issue.”

10-1 to where we are now is about as sideways as it gets. I keep thinking about Sirriani saying “Chiefs fans”
 

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Slay signed a new deal in May.... he would have a $35M cap hit if cut. Byard is 100% a cut (save $13M), Bradberry could be cut designated post June 1, but saves no money this year and clogs next year).
I'm not as schooled in the cap as I used to be but I think they could designate him a post-June 1 cut and he'd only count $11M against the cap, but I could be reading it all wrong. But you're likely correct that Slay isn't gonzo like I had said. I think I'm fine with that but they really need some of their very young and raw CB's to develop or to invest heavily in CB via an early draft pick or FA. Bradberry was a total embarrassment and should not be starting.
 

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I'm not as schooled in the cap as I used to be but I think they could designate him a post-June 1 cut and he'd only count $11M against the cap, but I could be reading it all wrong. But you're likely correct that Slay isn't gonzo like I had said. I think I'm fine with that but they really need some of their very young and raw CB's to develop or to invest heavily in CB via an early draft pick or FA. Bradberry was a total embarrassment and should not be starting.
Yeah I couldn't figure out post June 1, I think it would be significantly less, but of course that is at the expense of next year.
 

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Yes! It was reported that they actually first took away Desai's third down playcalling. Can you believe that? Like, you're the man and you're calling the D, except when 3rd down hits then we're doing this other thing. And then eventually it's "sorry you're not even calling 1st or 2nd down anymore we're going to jam your system onto Matt Patricia".

Total mess.
I found myself nodding my head during this entire post. This season was so frustrating for so many reasons.

This is the part that really blew my mind. Desai was demoted for making a difficult task look difficult. Sirianni's solution ended up making easy tasks look difficult.


Offense too. The players said over and over again that their failures were all on them - lack of consistent execution. But to an extent you have to eventually believe your own lyin eyes to an extent. This team could simply not figure out how to do a short hot-read when facing a standard blitz. It was like they've never heard of this 'blitz' thing before. They've got an amazing OL, dynamic WRs, well above average TE and RB and the runner up MVP from last season who by all accounts works his ass off and you can't figure out Wink Martindale's gonna blitz the hell out of you so have a plan for that? Or Todd Bowles?
It's been pointed out over this year that Hurts has largely ignored the middle of the field, as well. It seems like their offense this year was "win your matchup" which works, until it doesnt.

I was happy to see Gannon go, but man what a failure the D was. And I was more than comfortable with Brian Johnson taking over as OC, but maybe I should have been more concerned that this is the guys third season in the NFL at all. I see he's getting HC interviews at Carolina and I think Atlanta and that's preposterous unless they're just Rooney Rule related.

It's been said a million times but how important was Shane Steichen to this team last season? I did not appreciate the impact he had. As for the 10-1 start, they were like the worst 10-1 team of all time but they were still 10-1. I think talent took them there but as the league figured them out from last year and into this year Sirianni's crew had no answers whatsoever. I do believe the players lost confidence in the coaching staff and that they were exasperated and maybe even quit. I don't love the idea of Lurie getting a reputation as having a quick trigger finger but this is a real mess and I don't think you can roll Sirianni back out there with two new coordinators again and expect to compete at the highest level. What a clusterfuck.
Gannon drove everyone nuts with his passive soft-zone, but I'm really starting to think he got more out of this defense than Desai ever could. Granted, he also had CJGJ and TJ Edwards. But he also was able to either hide Bradberry or get the most out of him. I know CB are prone to just losing it, but Bradberry was horrid this year. Tackling went from a strength of his to whatever we saw on Monday night.

More and more people started to realize how great Steichen was (and is) when they saw what he was getting out of his backup QB in Indy and how much the offense regressed in Philly with him gone. That's not to say Johnson is bad. But when you go from an A+ coordinator to a C+ coordinator, it's going to show.
 

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It's been pointed out over this year that Hurts has largely ignored the middle of the field, as well. It seems like their offense this year was "win your matchup" which works, until it doesnt.
Maybe it's a short(er) QB thing? Russell Wilson has refused to throw over the middle for years.
 

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Maybe it's a short(er) QB thing? Russell Wilson has refused to throw over the middle for years.
Baker is also not that tall and he actually uses the middle of the field. He does get a lot of passes batted down but still, it's better than giving up an entire area altogether.
 

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I think the OC going to Indy is a big deal. There was also that weird Mariota story a few weeks ago; did we ever find out how injured Hurts is? If I’m a Philly fan, I’m hoping he was hurt with something that affected his performance but will be easy to recover from in the offseason because it was pretty ugly for him otherwise late in the season.
 

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I think the OC going to Indy is a big deal. There was also that weird Mariota story a few weeks ago; did we ever find out how injured Hurts is? If I’m a Philly fan, I’m hoping he was hurt with something that affected his performance but will be easy to recover from in the offseason because it was pretty ugly for him otherwise late in the season.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-jalen-hurts-has-been-dealing-with-a-knee-bruise

He was reported to have a bone bruise for over a month and was wearing a knee brace. He took it off after the bye week for the Chiefs game.

He also gave non-answers in press conferences when asked about it.
 

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In real time, it was impossible to tell if Allen was faking a slide, thought about sliding and changed his mind, of if was simply trying to change direction to avoid a defender. No way an official could tell either, and avoiding a defender is completely legit move. None of the Steelers defenders complained, so seems like a nothingburger.
 

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In real time, it was impossible to tell if Allen was faking a slide, thought about sliding and changed his mind, of if was simply trying to change direction to avoid a defender. No way an official could tell either, and avoiding a defender is completely legit move. None of the Steelers defenders complained, so seems like a nothingburger.
While it does, the issue is that the leaguen is protecting QBs and said QBs are taking adavntage of this. Mahomes going out of bounds and getting touched by someone has been brought up in relation to this.
 

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I will say I've noticed this year that the guidelines for sideline hits have been loosened. We've been told this year they want four feet in the white for it to be a late hit out of bounds on a north-south runner. Just from a cursory glance it seems like the NFL has been more lenient on the boundary this year.
 

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One thing I've noticed in both NCAA and NFL is that hits out of bounds are treated differently based on whether it's a tackle or a hit. A tackler seems to get much more leeway. For hits, it does seem to be about the white paint.

There was a call earlier this year where McCaffrey got tackled out of bounds and they threw the flag. I remember seeing it and thinking that, yeah, it was out of bounds, but it seemed to be inconsistent with non-calls I'd seen. Even where the tackle starts out of bounds, they seem to let it go if it's close and so long as there is nothing more than a regular tackle, like no extra throwing or piling on.
 

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One thing I've noticed in both NCAA and NFL is that hits out of bounds are treated differently based on whether it's a tackle or a hit. A tackler seems to get much more leeway. For hits, it does seem to be about the white paint.

There was a call earlier this year where McCaffrey got tackled out of bounds and they threw the flag. I remember seeing it and thinking that, yeah, it was out of bounds, but it seemed to be inconsistent with non-calls I'd seen. Even where the tackle starts out of bounds, they seem to let it go if it's close and so long as there is nothing more than a regular tackle, like no extra throwing or piling on.
The axiom is: Unnecessary roughness fouls can can be hard and can be late. If the hit is a little hard and a little late, let it go. If the hit is very hard OR very late, flag it.