I wonder if it even takes that much given.... Knicks.
This would be a gift from the gods. Do you even need to match money in a trade involving Porzingis? Even if you do, it's minimal and something the Celtics could do without trading anything of big value. As you said it may not take Crowder. You could throw expiring deals to make the money work.
Porzingis makes about as much as Smart, so if they keep 3 Smart and Jackson or Rozier need to go out to get to max cap space. Or any of IT4, Bradley, Crowder, Brown. Even if the 3 is in the deal I think one of those guys needs to go out.
Can someone explain the Porzingis love to me? I know he played in a shitty system, but neither the basic or advanced stats I see tell me a story of a guy that is franchise altering. He's a big that shoots 3's at an OK clip. What am I missing? I get hyped when I see his name, and then I look into him and am never sure why people fawn over him.
I don't know if the Knicks will take that LAL pick that might not actually convey. Then again, it's the Knicks.
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And he played with two ball hogs this year in Rose and Melo and didn't touch the ball nearly as much as he could have. He can block shots as a 5 and he can guard the perimeter surprisingly well, he is the most talented Knick since Ewing and Phil Jackson should be set on fire for likely botching his career as a Knick.
He's young huge and does everything except rebounding well. Can protect the rim, stretch the floor pass etc.
Probably but I'd want a discount since I'm losing out on Hayward. Honestly I don't think Phil chains them together, want to get value for each.
Well obviously it would be LAL18 or SAC19 or whichever conveys. But yea, maybe you try and pull a fast one on them
I think this might be the scenario where you offer the 2017 and 2018 Nets picks and throw in the C's 2018 too. The C's are the only team that can offer what the Knicks should be asking for on him.
Probably need a new PG still, but it starts getting interesting if you keep Brown and 1 of the 3 top 5(likely) picks
I think we need to remember that Phil is not only a horrible GM but his main focus right now isn't building for the future. It's on winning right now and, even more important than that, winning right now while using the triangle.
Probably not, but at least your cashing in the chips for a potential YOUNG stud vs. a Butler, etc. So, opens up both now and down the road options.
Probably not, but it might be enough to overtake Cleveland. Frankly, this is the only plausible situation that makes sense to me though. If you can get KP on his rookie deal it's a complete no-brainer.
It would be very difficult to make the trade for both, given the need to match salaries. Even with Zeller/Mickey/DJax, BOS would need to include another $13mm in salary (ie, both Bradley and Crowder would need to be included).
I'm thinking Crowder, #3 and LAC 18, especially if Ball falls past LAL.
You have 3 starters there that can't cover SFs or small 4s.
I would give up at least 1 better pick for a few reasons:
You answered your own question. The contract and age of KP is why you have to give up more than what you would for Butler. I like Butler and think he's a really good player but if given the option I'm taking Porzingis. His allows the Celtics to add another star much easier than Butler or Paul George would.
Do you think an offer of #3, LAL 18, and either Bradley, Smart, or Crowder fair value for KP?
I'm sort of with you. Partially, at least.
Yup. And Melo. There's no way the Knicks move KP and don't insist the other team take on Phil Jackson's least favorite player ever.
