World Cup Day 18--Netherlands/Mexico, Greece/Costa Rica

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MiracleOfO2704 said:
This is why keepers rarely carry teams in the World Cup the way they can in the NHL. To put it mildly, neither goal was Ochoa's fault.
 
I think the best a keeper has carried their team was Lev Yashin helping the USSR get 4th place in 1966.
 

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DrewDawg said:
Not really. He sold it.
 
I don't see it. 
 
Maybe he drew the foul, but he was touched by Marquez' foot, and Marquez didn't play the ball. It wasn't hard contact, and he probably could have stayed up, but why should he? It's fucking stoppage time of a tied World Cup knockout. Rules are rules. 
 

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I love the Dutch (can't help it) and love to see Mexico lose. That was so fucking awesome.
 

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EastCoasterOutWest said:
And that's always what I think of. Simpatico.
 
 
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edit: god DAMN you, Reverend...
 
 
cromulence said:
 
So strange you used that...my friend and I used to say that to each other after a brutal FIFA loss. Not like thees.
 
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Once Mexico scored they totally pulled back and tried to sit on it, but it was wayyyyy too early. It would've been a minor miracle for them to have held on against a team like the Dutch.
 

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Julius.R said:
 
I think the best a keeper has carried their team was Lev Yashin helping the USSR get 4th place in 1966.
Oliver Kahn in 2002, maybe? Only keeper to win the Golden Ball. I'll never forget the USA-Germany quarterfinal. USA played their asses off but Kahn was a goddamn wall.
 

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Oliver Kahn in 2002, maybe? Only keeper to win the Golden Ball. I'll never forget the USA-Germany quarterfinal. USA played their asses off but Kahn was a goddamn wall.
KAHN!!!!
 

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I know nothing about the individual players, but besides Robben and Ochoa, I thought the most exciting guy on the pitch in that match was Aquino for Mexico.  What's his story?  Is he considered one of the better players in the world?
 

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How old ass Marquez kept ending up almost 1 v 1 on Marquez the last 30 minutes is beyond me. He clearly needed help. Thank you mexico.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I know nothing about the individual players, but besides Robben and Ochoa, I thought the most exciting guy on the pitch in that match was Aquino for Mexico.  What's his story?  Is he considered one of the better players in the world?
 
He probably wouldn't be on a list of the top 50...but the World Cup does make stars.  For example, Ochoa wasn't thought of as a top 10 keeper in the world.  Now?  Not sure, but he'll be playing for a huge club next year.
 

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cromulence said:
Once Mexico scored they totally pulled back and tried to sit on it, but it was wayyyyy too early. It would've been a minor miracle for them to have held on against a team like the Dutch.
QFT.

Plus, if you keep giving possession to a team with that talent the goals will fall in.
 

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cromulence said:
Once Mexico scored they totally pulled back and tried to sit on it, but it was wayyyyy too early. It would've been a minor miracle for them to have held on against a team like the Dutch.
 
Yea, they defended far too deep.
 

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Thanks Zomp.  That's surprising.  I thought he was head and shoulders the most dangerous player offensively for Mexico.  So good with the ball, but I don't really know enough about the other parts of the game to tell if he's bad in other areas.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I know nothing about the individual players, but besides Robben and Ochoa, I thought the most exciting guy on the pitch in that match was Aquino for Mexico.  What's his story?  Is he considered one of the better players in the world?
 
He plays for Villarreal, who are a pretty good team in La Liga. 
 

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Did anyone else think it was a bad idea for Mexico to use up about 2 minutes of time with the standing around near the PK spot? Don't think any of that "icing the shooter" stuff really works and they could have used the time for one more attack
 

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cromulence said:
Herrera is all fun and games when they're winning but is also a shitty loser. Lame.
 
Edit: removed comment for being so wrong, it's ridiculous. Wrong person, wrong player, wrong country...everything was wrong.
 

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nvalvo said:
 
I don't see it. 
 
Maybe he drew the foul, but he was touched by Marquez' foot, and Marquez didn't play the ball. It wasn't hard contact, and he probably could have stayed up, but why should he? It's fucking stoppage time of a tied World Cup knockout. Rules are rules. 
I understand all of that. There was contact. And he sold the fuck out of it.
 

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DrewDawg said:
I understand all of that. There was contact. And he sold the fuck out of it.
 
Let's put it this way. If, on Tuesday, Vincent Kompany trips up DeAndre Yedlin under similar circumstances, I want Yedlin to hit the ground. 
 

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Dogman2 said:
Flop but a dumb play by Marquez.
 
 
True -- but do we really need the moronic Dutch commentator on ESPN saying it wasn't a dive and just raving about how great this is for "us"? Just bring in a Dutch fanboy in an orange outfit -- at least would be fun. 
 
Bosoxen said:
Fuck this.
 
This. 
 
Ed Hillel said:
Awkward on the ESPN set...
 
No kidding.  At least Martinez is pointing out to the Dutch moron that the Dutch didn't play very well. ESPN can't afford real commentators instead of ex-players who barely speak English? The Brits do real well for ESPN, how about some more of them?
 
 
 
 
 

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Tony C said:
 
 
True -- but do we really need the moronic Dutch commentator on ESPN saying it wasn't a dive and just raving about how great this is for "us"? Just bring in a Dutch fanboy in an orange outfit -- at least would be fun. 
 
 
 
 
 
Maybe they were trying to offer some balance since they just had two hours of very pro-Mexico announcing. 
 

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Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Roberto Martinez is one of the best ESPN hires in ages. Love the calling out Robben as "fragile"
Yes, Martinez is excellent.  It's always fun when he is paired with Lalas. The difference between their quality is astounding. 
 

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Hehehe... watching the replay frame by frame... I don't even think there was contact.  Maybe Marquez' foot scrape Robbens' left toe...
 
...but basically what happened was Marquez dumbly stuck his leg out - Robbens had a heavy touch on his turn and was going to lose possession <- reazlied this, then did the "sniper shot flop."
 
Sucky way to lose - and Marquez shouldn't have reached with his leg... no need... but if it was going to happen to someone, glad it happened to Mexico.
 

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Does Roberto Martinez say 'mentality' and 'moment' lot?  Not watching the ESPN feed, but he does love those two words.
 

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nvalvo said:
 
Let's put it this way. If, on Tuesday, Vincent Kompany trips up DeAndre Yedlin under similar circumstances, I want Yedlin to hit the ground. 
I don't disagree. I never said it was a horrible call. There was contact that he likely could have fought through, but he decided to sell the foul.