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I can’t believe Fox is only gonna have two announcing teams in Russia and everyone else in LA. Such nickel and diming when you’ve spent $1B for the rights.
 

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They screwed themselves (and the watching public) by assuming USA would make it.
 

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The only good news has been that Gus Johnson realized he can't do soccer. Fox's coverage is going to be an utter, unapologetic shitshow. They've established through their Champions League work that they're utterly clueless and there's no sign of change on the horizon. Hopefully the backlash from Russia will be enough that they'll make the necessary changes for Qatar, but I'm not holding my breath.
 

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The Guardian published an epic takedown of Fox's planned coverage for the World Cup.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/11/fox-sports-world-cup-coverage
Utter madness. In Spinal Tap they said there is a fine line between clever and stupid, but this suggests otherwise. I mean when you've got Warren Barton, you send him on that fuckin plane.

The English coverage will be good though, as long as you can deal with constant reports from the English World Cup Camp. That said, the pay off is when England get dumped out and it cuts back to Lineker and his side kicks and you get a half hour post mortem that is often one of the TV highlights of the decade. And, since there are no more England World Cup Camps to go to anymore, you get more revisions of what is shite about the England football team and so forth.

As a Scot, i can only hope we are well represented in the pundit department. I'd like Hansen to return but i fear they will through a few shillings at Alex (who turned the lights on) McLeish - who's a bit of a fanny to be honest.
 

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Found this lovely nugget from/about Derek Rae, who is being made to call these matches off a screen:

'When it comes to commentary on this great sport of football, obviously one of the biggest mistakes an announcer can make is mixing up players. Rae notes that, beyond learning the players’ physical and technical characteristics, he brings binoculars to check their boot colors: “It can be an invaluable way of making sure I have the right player in a crowded penalty area scene.”'

http://www.unusualefforts.com/football-announcing-derek-rae/
 

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Found this lovely nugget from/about Derek Rae, who is being made to call these matches off a screen:

'When it comes to commentary on this great sport of football, obviously one of the biggest mistakes an announcer can make is mixing up players. Rae notes that, beyond learning the players’ physical and technical characteristics, he brings binoculars to check their boot colors: “It can be an invaluable way of making sure I have the right player in a crowded penalty area scene.”'

http://www.unusualefforts.com/football-announcing-derek-rae/
On the Fifa 2014 World Cup video game, Men and Blazers talk about this among other stuff when you are cruising through the menus. A great feature, interspersing fun Brazilian music with Men and Blazers commentary.
 

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I’ve been watching in Germany, and have been surprised that they have only one announcer in the booth (and a woman for this game, which is a nice change.).

It’s not clear to me whether the announcers are in Russia or in a local studio. It sounds like it might me in a German studio, but that is just an educated guess.

I’m surprised that it’s relatively low budget given how big a deal it is here.
 

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I’ve been watching in Germany, and have been surprised that they have only one announcer in the booth (and a woman for this game, which is a nice change.).

It’s not clear to me whether the announcers are in Russia or in a local studio. It sounds like it might me in a German studio, but that is just an educated guess.

I’m surprised that it’s relatively low budget given how big a deal it is here.
Is there anything to be made of how much of the advertising for this match appears to be in Asian languages as a means of gauging overall interest?

I've been wondering for about 20 minutes now.
 

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God damn can Nike make a good commercial. I’ve loved almost every one over the past 15 years.

Ronaldo seems to be enjoying life, and how about the cheeky “pouha” from the boy at the end.
 

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He says "pó" which I thought is slightly less of a swear than the full "porra". Resident Brasileiros to weigh in? Its certainly authentic - I heard countless 5 year olds leaving their creches telling their mothers "porra its hot as fuck mom!" Maybe just a carioca thing.

Those are always amazing. Last cycle they had Neymar talking with his father and I was ready to run through a wall.
 

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That neymar commercial was for Beats I think, not Nike. Last World Cup was Nike's ad where the kids called who they wanted to play like ("HULK!" not that Hulk) which led to the kid scoring the penalty. The World Cup before that (South Africa) was the commercial where the players were envisioning their future if they won the cup (Ronaldo's statue, Cannavaro's song "Che Cannavaro, Che Capitano).

Then 2006 had the greatest set of commercials for any sport, the Joga Bonito ads.
 

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I actually like this England team (mostly because of all the Spurs players), but Fox's attempt to market them as "Reclaiming Their Empire" makes me want to root against them. Seriously, WTF? Colonial imperialism is not a good thing! I can only imagine what Indians/Pakistanis/Kenyans/Nigerians/etc. think of this nonsense.
 

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I actually like this England team (mostly because of all the Spurs players), but Fox's attempt to market them as "Reclaiming Their Empire" makes me want to root against them. Seriously, WTF? Colonial imperialism is not a good thing! I can only imagine what Indians/Pakistanis/Kenyans/Nigerians/etc. think of this nonsense.
 

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At some point during the Portugal - Morocco game, Meola observed that Pepe was signalling to Santos that he ought to shuffle things up or do a sub or something.

It's a good thing Meola was in the stadium, BECAUSE MOST FOX COMMENTATORS AREN'T! #$*#)$*)#&%(*&#(*%&#)&-#(*+@(#
 

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I’ve been watching in Germany, and have been surprised that they have only one announcer in the booth (and a woman for this game, which is a nice change.).

It’s not clear to me whether the announcers are in Russia or in a local studio. It sounds like it might me in a German studio, but that is just an educated guess.

I’m surprised that it’s relatively low budget given how big a deal it is here.
I don't know that I've ever heard more than one announcer in the booth for a German soccer broadcast. I've used a VPN to watch on ARD or ZDF for several World Cups now and it's always been like this. Same for Bundesliga. And, come to think of it, all the Olympics events I watched in February, too.

I'm developing an affinity for TF1 (France) this time around. Anything to avoid Fox. They were hilarious on the first Croatia goal today, started screaming instantly when the kick was flubbed--"OOH LA LA! IT IS CATASTROPHIC! WHAT IS HE DOING??"
 

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I'm sure the french announcers just felt awful for argentina.

I can just see them smoking their gauloise in the booth and mocking the proceedings.
 

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MIT prof explains the physics of golazos

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/6/23/17491844/best-world-cup-soccer-goals-physics-spin-free-kicks-explained

OK, what makes Ronaldo so good at this?
JB: It’s just practice. You can go online and see how to hit those balls, and you can see kids hitting it consistently. Practice makes perfect. You have to put in the time; and he’s done that.

You can hit it one of two ways. You can either hit it with the top of your foot. You can see when he’s hitting these things he sort of gets up on his tip-toes on his left foot, and this is so he can strike the ball with the top of his foot. . . .

But is Ronaldo really thinking about all of this when he’s setting up?
JB: When Cristiano Ronaldo hits that shot with the topspin, he doesn’t hit it as hard as he possibly can. He hits it in a certain range so that it will go through the drag transition before it gets to the net, and this he doesn’t know.

But he will know just from practice, right? I suspect he’s never heard of the drag transition. I played soccer myself. I was pretty good at free kicks, but what I did with the ball was independent of what I learned in books. So, there’s no one who’s going to sit there and study the aerodynamics of soccer balls and step onto the field and dazzle people. It really just takes practice.
A lot more in the article about insteps, outsteps, etc. I didn't realize the tiptoe step before kicking the ball to get "taller" so the kicking foot doesn't drag.
 

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Has anyone noticed that the picture coming from Fox is slightly grainy when you re looking at the grass from afar? I ve toyed with the settings on my TV a lot, but then I discovered that the broadcasts aren't even 1080i, they are 720p.

People have 4K TVs and we cannot get a 1080p broadcast.
 

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So as we wait for the final group matches, I thought I'd ask people their thoughts on the FOX announcing teams. As a refresher, they are:

John Strong & Stu Holden
JP Dellacamera & Tony Meola
Derek Rae & Aly Wagner
Glenn Davis & Cobi Jones
Jorge Perez Navarro & Mariano Trujillo
Mark Followill & Warren Barton

I have really enjoyed the pairing of Rae and Aly Wagner and would put Aly probably 1 or 2 for the analysts, along with Stu Holden, who is good but so vanilla, and Warren Barton, who I haven't always liked but feel he's been very solid during this tournament.

I would rank Cobi Jones and Glenn Davis at the bottom, they just haven't provided anything for me. I'm a fan of the Mexican pairing, particularly for El Tri games, but I understand others having issues with Perez Navarro's style.
 

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Davis & Jones have been the worst of the bunch by a longshot, to my ear. The other non-live teams seem to make up for it alright with rapport and with actually doing research on the teams a lot more than they do.

Perez Navarro and Trujillo have been fun. If all 6 teams were that, I would find it wearying, but as one flavor in the variety pack I get excited when they come up.

I also think Perez Navarro's goofiness obscures the fact that Trujillo is one of the better analysts in the bunch.
 

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So as we wait for the final group matches, I thought I'd ask people their thoughts on the FOX announcing teams. As a refresher, they are:

John Strong & Stu Holden
JP Dellacamera & Tony Meola
Derek Rae & Aly Wagner
Glenn Davis & Cobi Jones
Jorge Perez Navarro & Mariano Trujillo
Mark Followill & Warren Barton

I have really enjoyed the pairing of Rae and Aly Wagner and would put Aly probably 1 or 2 for the analysts, along with Stu Holden, who is good but so vanilla, and Warren Barton, who I haven't always liked but feel he's been very solid during this tournament.

I would rank Cobi Jones and Glenn Davis at the bottom, they just haven't provided anything for me. I'm a fan of the Mexican pairing, particularly for El Tri games, but I understand others having issues with Perez Navarro's style.
I like Aly's intelligence and Navarro/Trujillo's passion. The rest I don't much care for. (Although big fan of Cobi as a player)
 

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I can't stand Dellacamera. He's been awful in general all tournament but he's been particularly bad today for France-Argentina.
 

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Has anyone noticed that the picture coming from Fox is slightly grainy when you re looking at the grass from afar? I ve toyed with the settings on my TV a lot, but then I discovered that the broadcasts aren't even 1080i, they are 720p.

People have 4K TVs and we cannot get a 1080p broadcast.
Are you over the air or on cable? I'm not aware of any of the cable providers, including Verizon broadcasting in 1080p. DirecTV does in some cases. This is one of the reasons internet streaming is becoming far superior.
 

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Have Stu Holden and Mary Carillo ever been seen together. My goodness their voices are identical.

The announcing is vanilla for the most part, mainly because I’m used to the european pro leagues where adjectives and emotion are used more frequently and liberally than what we are getting from Fox.
 

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I can't stand Dellacamera. He's been awful in general all tournament but he's been particularly bad today for France-Argentina.
I kept going crazy each time he said ‘this is a must win game.’ So dumb. Just say it is a knockout or lose goes home game.
 

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I’m not crazy about Holden, but after years of Harkes or Balboa I’m satisfied with vanilla. Very few former American players are good on tv. Twellman will work for as long as he wants because of this.
 

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If there are any newbies here whose interest in the WC may carry over to other footy, be assured that the NBC coverage of the Premier League is light years better than this- it may be the best coverage of any sport on American TV.

This is mediocre to terrible day in day out.
 

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Are you over the air or on cable? I'm not aware of any of the cable providers, including Verizon broadcasting in 1080p. DirecTV does in some cases. This is one of the reasons internet streaming is becoming far superior.
AFAIK, no cable providers offering 1080p. I was just shocked that the broadcast in 720p. Not only that, with a little bit of google-fu, I discovered that ABC and ESPN also broadcast in 720p!

I did try fox's online streaming, but it was choppy and not better than the broadcast. Plus, the pages where the streams are located are so heavy with extraneous bullshit I fear they put extra load on my browser.
If there are any newbies here whose interest in the WC may carry over to other footy, be assured that the NBC coverage of the Premier League is light years better than this- it may be the best coverage of any sport on American TV.

This is mediocre to terrible day in day out.
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I don't know if it's the english accents which make everything sound smarter or whether the announcers know more, but everything is such a pleasure to watch.
 

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According to Derek Rae’s Twitter he and Aly Wagner are in Luzhniki Stadium to do the Spain/Russia game. I wonder if this was the plan all along, or if Fox decided to splurge on the two flights because of the shit they were getting.