Would you trade Jaylen+ for Durant?

Would you trade Jaylen+ for Durant?

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tbb345

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Pass.
The only reason that KD is not considered to be toxic right now is because he is standing next to Kyrie.
This nails it for me. Durant has got away with a lot of shit because he gives a lot of “all access” interviews to the media (where of course he does nothing but babble nonsense) and because he’s been around even bigger lightning rods his last two stops (Draymond and Kyrie)
 

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With Bam apparently untradable for obscure salary cap reasons, and JJJ going under the knife -yesterday- for a serious injury, I’m still not seeing which contender is offering a package that forces the Cs to go crazy with pick swaps and Rob (no way). Is New Orleans a true contender -even with Durant? Zion is potentially exciting for Brooklyn but with him about to sign a max he is much more risky. Can his lower extremities really handle his monstrous physique? Seems like a guy who is going to become increasingly irrelevant just as he becomes more and more expensive. Only 85 games played in his first 3 years, and that’s with the advantage of being in his early 20s. He would have been more valuable without the max, as that contract immediately looks like a strong candidate to be a total albatross.
Pelicans would be my preferred destination. They made the playoffs last year without Zion & adding KD to a playoff team & subtracting no one who actually played would be fun. Ingram/McCollum/HERB etc. I also have a soft spot for both the Pels & KD.

I would do Jaylen & White for KD/Curry or whatever but probably nothing that would interest the Nets.
 

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Alright, let's go off the deep end here.

Miami trades for KD includes Bam and the Celtics are the 3rd team that acquires Simmons for like a pick swap.

It will never happen, we probably don't want it to happen, but old Simmons with the Jays is still my wet dream.
BRK trades Durant and Simmons and all they get is Bam and a pick swap?
 

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BRK trades Durant and Simmons and all they get is Bam and a pick swap?
Yeah, as the Nets, I'd much rather have some team's mortgaged future for 7 drafts than have Bam. KD may stay healthy, but he also may not, in which case his contract is crippling and those drafts become very valuable very fast.

Ask Houston how they feel right now about taking the full Nets draft over Simmons. Even if Simmons were still good, the draft has much higher value, and we're less than 2 years after the Harden trade.

That option also lets me try and develop Simmons back into being at least a neutral asset, instead of the negative one he is right now.
 

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Pelicans would be my preferred destination. They made the playoffs last year without Zion & adding KD to a playoff team & subtracting no one who actually played would be fun. Ingram/McCollum/HERB etc. I also have a soft spot for both the Pels & KD.

I would do Jaylen & White for KD/Curry or whatever but probably nothing that would interest the Nets.
Isn't Zion's new contract the designated rookie extension (see Keith Smith tweet below)?

If so, then Zion is off the list for the same reason Bam is. I guess the Nets could try to get Ingram instead if they wanted to.

View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1542853250713526272
 

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Isn't Zion's new contract the designated rookie extension (see Keith Smith tweet below)?

If so, then Zion is off the list for the same reason Bam is. I guess the Nets could try to get Ingram instead if they wanted to.

View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1542853250713526272
Yes, and that also delays Zion's being able to be dealt.

If the Nets want to handle things this summer, the options are narrowing.

Imo it's looking more like an All the Picks (maybe two teams' picks) deal than a deal for a young all-star.
 

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Isn't Zion's new contract the designated rookie extension (see Keith Smith tweet below)?

If so, then Zion is off the list for the same reason Bam is. I guess the Nets could try to get Ingram instead if they wanted to.

View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1542853250713526272
The key word there is “nearing”. The Pels could trade him on his current contract and let the Nets extend him. This brings other complications, but nothing insurmountable.
 

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So does Malcolm Brogdon change things that much?
I think it changes things, just not that much. Trading Theis (the only rotation player in the deal) for Brogdon meant that the Celtics got a bit smaller, so the prospect of getting bigger (Jaylen and either White or Smart for Durant) is nice, but ultimately trading one bench guy for another doesn't greatly impact the potential trade of all stars.
 

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I think it changes things, just not that much. Trading Theis (the only rotation player in the deal) for Brogdon meant that the Celtics got a bit smaller, so the prospect of getting bigger (Jaylen and either White or Smart for Durant) is nice, but ultimately trading one bench guy for another doesn't greatly impact the potential trade of all stars.
This misses the point: the celts were prone to prolonged offensive droughts. A healthy (big if) Brogdon and Galinari can remedy that, partly via relieving the pressure on the Jays
 

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No. My conviction is lowered because Jaylen is a flight risk, but I'd much rather see home-grown talent than a mercenary with no loyalty to the franchise or the city.
 

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What if KD buys into the Celtics like KG did? Durant already has a solid relationship with Olympic teammate Jayson Tatum, who is on a career arc to be the next Durant. The Celts would be taking a chance of KD’s health, but if the could acquire him for Brown and White, this team would be championship favorites this year and next, and would be a destination for affordable ring chasers for the rest of Durant’s contract.

Brown could be a first team all NBA type in the next 3-4 seasons, but KD is and will be one. With his commitment to conditioning, there’s no reason why Durant couldn’t finish his career in Boston by putting in 4 to 6 seasons of championship contending basketball. Having Tatum on the roster as a co-top player could cover in the games KD misses to injury or load maintenance.

I would take a chance and reluctantly move JB for Durant.
 

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No. My conviction is lowered because Jaylen is a flight risk, but I'd much rather see home-grown talent than a mercenary with no loyalty to the franchise or the city.
If Jaylen leaves at the end of the contract, does he retroactively become a mercenary with no loyalty to the franchise or the city?
 

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What if KD buys into the Celtics like KG did? Durant already has a solid relationship with Olympic teammate Jayson Tatum, who is on a career arc to be the next Durant. The Celts would be taking a chance of KD’s health, but if the could acquire him for Brown and White, this team would be championship favorites this year and next, and would be a destination for affordable ring chasers for the rest of Durant’s contract.

Brown could be a first team all NBA type in the next 3-4 seasons, but KD is and will be one. With his commitment to conditioning, there’s no reason why Durant couldn’t finish his career in Boston by putting in 4 to 6 seasons of championship contending basketball. Having Tatum on the roster as a co-top player could cover in the games KD misses to injury or load maintenance.

I would take a chance and reluctantly move JB for Durant.
If KD buys in like KG, you do this deal without blinking.
 
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This must be animated by Jaylen wanting to test his market in 2024 as much as the Celts wanting to get Durant. This also might be the highest to sell on Jaylen. I’d rather keep and win with the homegrown core but if the front office has good info that the homegrown core will come apart after next year anyways then I think this deal makes a lot of sense. I’d rather they included more picks to keep Marcus though.
 

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Can we all at least agree that the Nets' counter of Jaylen + Smart + whatever is giving up too much? Let the Nets find a better package. I'm fine standing pat if that's what it takes. The goal of getting Durant would be to add talent to our Championship contending team. Losing 2 of our star players negates that somewhat, and it also detracts from the depth which we were just finally able to acquire. I also don't like the idea of giving up that much team identity for a clubhouse chemistry unknown.
 

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Can we all at least agree that the Nets' counter of Jaylen + Smart + whatever is giving up too much? Let the Nets find a better package. I'm fine standing pat if that's what it takes. The goal of getting Durant would be to add talent to our Championship contending team. Losing 2 of our star players negates that somewhat, and it also detracts from the depth which we were just finally able to acquire. I also don't like the idea of giving up that much team identity for a clubhouse chemistry unknown.
Yes, I’m about as pro-KD trade as it gets on this site and even I’m tapping out on that one. The Nets will blink and settle for a sweetener like Begarin/additional pick(s), I think. Or maybe Grant, if the Celtics blink. But I would be shocked if they agree to let Jaylen/Smart go.
 

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Can we all at least agree that the Nets' counter of Jaylen + Smart + whatever is giving up too much? Let the Nets find a better package. I'm fine standing pat if that's what it takes. The goal of getting Durant would be to add talent to our Championship contending team. Losing 2 of our star players negates that somewhat, and it also detracts from the depth which we were just finally able to acquire. I also don't like the idea of giving up that much team identity for a clubhouse chemistry unknown.
I posted this in the KD Sweepstakes thread (best sweepstakes since the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes), but KOC would do Jaylen + Smart (At What Price Should the Celtics Trade for Kevin Durant? - The Ringer).

I don't think I would, though.
 

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If the Nets want Smart so bad, trade em White, Smart, and all of our picks :).

Agree that Smart and Jaylen for 34 year old KD is too much. We were just in the finals and projected for the most wins in the NBA this upcoming year.

Running it back with Malcolm/Gallo should be the default plan barring a very clear win in the KD trade.
 

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Depends on the + for me. You are trading a star for a superstar, but the superstar is significantly older and likely to begin declining much sooner. That, IMO, does not equate to JB, more players, and like 3 1sts. If the package is much smaller…maybe.
 

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Absolutely, and also we've never seen anything from Durant to suggest he has that level of buy-in in him.

(I'd still pull the trigger because he's just that much better than Brown)
What does this even mean?
He was in OKC and carried that team.
He went to GSW and was the best player on a team that only didn't win a title every year he was there because he tore his Achilles, something he did when he tried to come back from a "calf" injury to help his team in the playoffs.
He went to the Nets, and played insane minutes coming off said Achilles tear and dragged a broken injured team to game 7 of the ECF. This year he carried that team again while his star teammates were on walkabout, hitting the stipclub, or trying to get traded.

Kevin Durant is an all-time great and has been nothing but an elite committed player on the floor for his teams. Durant isn't a loud fake tough guy like KG was, he's a quiet leader, but he has shown just as much "buy-in"
 

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What does this even mean?
He was in OKC and carried that team.
He went to GSW and was the best player on a team that only didn't win a title every year he was there because he tore his Achilles, something he did when he tried to come back from a "calf" injury to help his team in the playoffs.
He went to the Nets, and played insane minutes coming off said Achilles tear and dragged a broken injured team to game 7 of the ECF. This year he carried that team again while his star teammates were on walkabout, hitting the stipclub, or trying to get traded.

Kevin Durant is an all-time great and has been nothing but an elite committed player on the floor for his teams. Durant isn't a loud fake tough guy like KG was, he's a quiet leader, but he has shown just as much "buy-in"
I think we were talking about committing to a team and not shooting his way out of town at the first sign of adversity. Obviously he's a great player. He's also a selfish front-runner from a team-building standpoint and that's a bit of a risk.

This is the third time in his career that he's sought an easier situation to win a title instead of sticking with his current team/teammates. It would be an easier decision to bring him here if you felt reasonably confident he'd see things through with the Celtics and there wouldn't be a fourth.
 

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I think we were talking about committing to a team and not shooting his way out of town at the first sign of adversity. Obviously he's a great player. He's also a selfish front-runner from a team-building standpoint and that's a bit of a risk.

This is the third time in his career that he's sought an easier situation to win a title instead of sticking with his current team/teammates. It would be an easier decision to bring him here if you felt reasonably confident he'd see things through with the Celtics and there wouldn't be a fourth.
Pretty sure he didn't leave the Warriors to increase his title equity.
 

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I think we were talking about committing to a team and not shooting his way out of town at the first sign of adversity. Obviously he's a great player. He's also a selfish front-runner from a team-building standpoint and that's a bit of a risk.

This is the third time in his career that he's sought an easier situation to win a title instead of sticking with his current team/teammates. It would be an easier decision to bring him here if you felt reasonably confident he'd see things through with the Celtics and there wouldn't be a fourth.
I mean....
This is the first time he's asked out before his contract was over. He played 9 seasons in OKC, signed a 3 year deal in GS and played it out (including them possibly costing him a season by mismanaging his injury), he then decided he'd like to play in NY with Kyrie, so he did that, it was a mess, and now the owner has indicated that Kyrie is going to be cut loose, it isn't what he signed up for anymore so he'd like a new start..

I think there is a better chance that if you do this trade KD is on the roster in 3 years than that Jaylen is without the deal.

Edit- I think it's bizaare to treat KD as some kind of flight risk, he's no more of a flight risk than any other star, and less than most. He's never asked for a trade before, and he's given no indication he's going to hold out of games, and honestly, the situation he's in now in BKN is pretty far from what he was sold on, he's the last of the 3 stars to ask for a trade.
 

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I mean....
This is the first time he's asked out before his contract was over. He played 9 seasons in OKC, signed a 3 year deal in GS and played it out (including them possibly costing him a season by mismanaging his injury), he then decided he'd like to play in NY with Kyrie, so he did that, it was a mess, and now the owner has indicated that Kyrie is going to be cut loose, it isn't what he signed up for anymore so he'd like a new start..

I think there is a better chance that if you do this trade KD is on the roster in 3 years than that Jaylen is without the deal.
Respectfully disagree In regards Jaylen.
 

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Respectfully disagree In regards Jaylen.
Why? He's unrestricted, it means you have no control over the situation. Maybe he stays, maybe he goes, if he's unhappy he's gone (and he has the potential to be looking to build his brand). Durant is under contract, he has to both be unhappy, and you have to agree to move him. Durant doesn't have the same incentives as Brown either, so if you put a good team around him, based on his history he probably hangs around.

People assuming Jaylen is just a lock to come back and play #2 to Tatum in 2 years as a UFA are probably looking through green tinted glasses a bit. Sure he COULD return, and maybe he will, but there are a lot of variables that you can't control there, and the few indications we have of his plans indicate a guy looking to build his brand... and #2 guys don't have the brand equity of #1 guys (especially if they were never #1 guys).

Edit- In any analysis of Jaylen we should be going in looking at 2 years, because anything past that is basically a mystery, and none of us know anywhere near enough about him to know what he'll do... even he probably doesn't know what his preference is yet.
 

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Durant’s age kind of works in favor of the idea he would stay. Is he going to sit out a season in his mid-30s to force a trade from what would be a legit title contender?

At this point he should be in prime solidifying his legacy mode (which is likely a big part of the impetus of asking out now).
 

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Why? He's unrestricted, it means you have no control over the situation. Maybe he stays, maybe he goes, if he's unhappy he's gone (and he has the potential to be looking to build his brand). Durant is under contract, he has to both be unhappy, and you have to agree to move him. Durant doesn't have the same incentives as Brown either, so if you put a good team around him, based on his history he probably hangs around.

People assuming Jaylen is just a lock to come back and play #2 to Tatum in 2 years as a UFA are probably looking through green tinted glasses a bit. Sure he COULD return, and maybe he will, but there are a lot of variables that you can't control there, and the few indications we have of his plans indicate a guy looking to build his brand... and #2 guys don't have the brand equity of #1 guys (especially if they were never #1 guys).

Edit- In any analysis of Jaylen we should be going in looking at 2 years, because anything past that is basically a mystery, and none of us know anywhere near enough about him to know what he'll do... even he probably doesn't know what his preference is yet.
It is to Jaylen’s advantage to sign his next contract with Boston.
 

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It is to Jaylen’s advantage to sign his next contract with Boston.
That doesn’t guarantee he does so. His association with Kanye and emphasis on building his brand could throw a real curveball here. And Jaylen is a guy who might have other priorities beyond simply maximizing his gross salary.

I’m with cellar on this. We just have no idea and cannot assume he would re-sign if the status quo continues.
 

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If Jaylen Brown really cares about social justice issues, where can he make a bigger impact than Boston?

Though I guess one could argue the bigger the brand, the more impact he can have globally. He could possibly build a bigger brand elsewhere. If he cares about winning, he'll accept his role as Robin.
 

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It is to Jaylen’s advantage to sign his next contract with Boston.
not by enough to really matter, you're talking a couple million over the first 4 years, and given his age he doesn't care about the extra year because he's going to want to hit the market early anyway.
Honestly if it was just money he'd sign with a FL or TX team, the tax savings on home games would actually be more than the higher per year raises. And even beyond that, if he thinks being the #1 on a team gets him a signature shoe deal or the like, that dwarfs the impact of salary differences as well.

And that's just financial, which we know well is only a small part of things with max type NBA players (location, role, teammates, etc. can play big roles).
Assuming anything more than 50/50 at best he re-signs is not a particularly logical way to analyze it.

If Jaylen Brown really cares about social justice issues, where can he make a bigger impact than Boston?
A bigger media market? Any of the many cities in states with Republican political leaders and more restrictive laws? SLC (generally considered the most racist fanbase), OKC (another notoriously racist fanbase).
 

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If Jaylen Brown really cares about social justice issues, where can he make a bigger impact than Boston?

Though I guess one could argue the bigger the brand, the more impact he can have globally. He could possibly build a bigger brand elsewhere. If he cares about winning, he'll accept his role as Robin.
Atlanta is probably one spot. And being from Marietta it makes some sense on that level too.
 

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Durant’s age kind of works in favor of the idea he would stay. Is he going to sit out a season in his mid-30s to force a trade from what would be a legit title contender?

At this point he should be in prime solidifying his legacy mode (which is likely a big part of the impetus of asking out now).
That's not how this usually works in the NBA though, is it? That seems more like an NFL thing. NBA superstars who want out use the media to cause ruckus and become a general problem for the team until they get what they want.
 

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What’s Tatum’s role in all of this?

In the end, doesn’t your 25 year old first team all nba untouchable star run the show to some degree in the NBA? Especially on a clear current finals contender?

If he tells Brad he wants Jaylen to stay, he and Jaylen are great friends and building something special, doesn’t Brad give that a ton of weight? And wouldn’t that give the FO some hope Jaylen is planning to stay long term?

Conversely, if Tatum green lights the Jaylen for Durant move, doesn’t that make Brad much more likely to pulling the trigger?

I kinda doubt Brad considers a giant move like this without being on the same page as Tatum. That’s a potential long term disaster.
 

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What’s Tatum’s role in all of this?

In the end, doesn’t your 25 year old first team all nba untouchable star run the show to some degree in the NBA? Especially on a clear current finals contender?

If he tells Brad he wants Jaylen to stay, he and Jaylen are great friends and building something special, doesn’t Brad give that a ton of weight? And wouldn’t that give the FO some hope Jaylen is planning to stay long term?

Conversely, if Tatum green lights the Jaylen for Durant move, doesn’t that make Brad much more likely to pulling the trigger?

I kinda doubt Brad considers a giant move like this without being on the same page as Tatum. That’s a potential long term disaster.
I’m guessing that Tatum is bought in if Brad goes ahead with this. You don’t potentially piss off the franchise without getting buy in. Or, at least, I highly doubt Brad would. It’s also possible that Tatum has a good relationship with both and is generally fine either way. He really can’t lose in either scenario.
 

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This is a great thread. Well done by everybody. This is such a difficult call. Backing up a few things in this thread.

It was mentioned that Tatum is on the career arc to be the next Durant. Strong disagreement..and I am a big Tatum fanboy.

The issue is what kind of player is Durant now, however Durant is one of one. He is one of the top 5-7 most devastating offensive forces this league has ever seen. He is a seven footer with guard skills and handle who can score consistently from anywhere on the court from say 27 feet and in. There is no single defender who has ever been able to handle him. He is an all time assassin. He is an offensive savant. His skilled shotmaking is historical greatness.

To me, if Tatum achieves his highest outcome he gets to about 70% of Durant which would make him probably one of the top 30 greatest offensive players ever. High high company.

Moving on. Mid 30’s, Achilles blow out, games played over the last three years is scary. Guys with his mileage, generally don’t get healthier in their mid to late 30’s. You can’t do it in the NBA like you do in the NHL or NFL, but he would be a perfect conditional trade.
You get say 3 first round picks. If he plays 80% of the games or wins a title in first 2 years then you keep all 3. If injury causes him to miss more than 33% of games over first two years then one pick comes back..etc.

As an aside, I still think he ends up in Mia. Pat Riley always gets what he wants.

What is the value of Seth Curry to this deal? Do we want him in tandem to this deal or is his defensive indifference not going to work here.

There is no way Smart and Jaylen are both going in this deal. Most teams are not offering their significant player, like Phoenix and Booker. So why would the Celts be adding two of their top five players, and picks..

I am down on White, maybe recency bias but if this deal needs a final sweetener in lieu of picks I would be comfortable adding him.
 

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That doesn’t guarantee he does so. His association with Kanye and emphasis on building his brand could throw a real curveball here. And Jaylen is a guy who might have other priorities beyond simply maximizing his gross salary.

I’m with cellar on this. We just have no idea and cannot assume he would re-sign if the status quo continues.
I didn’t use the word ”guarantee,” but the C’s have home field advantage. Why would he leave money on the table to sign elsewhere?

not by enough to really matter, you're talking a couple million over the first 4 years, and given his age he doesn't care about the extra year because he's going to want to hit the market early anyway.
Honestly if it was just money he'd sign with a FL or TX team, the tax savings on home games would actually be more than the higher per year raises. And even beyond that, if he thinks being the #1 on a team gets him a signature shoe deal or the like, that dwarfs the impact of salary differences as well.

And that's just financial, which we know well is only a small part of things with max type NBA players (location, role, teammates, etc. can play big roles).
Assuming anything more than 50/50 at best he re-signs is not a particularly logical way to analyze it.

A bigger media market? Any of the many cities in states with Republican political leaders and more restrictive laws? SLC (generally considered the most racist fanbase), OKC (another notoriously racist fanbase).
How many max-ish players in Jaylen’s situation under the current CBA are leaving their current franchises for elsewhere?
 

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This is a great thread. Well done by everybody. This is such a difficult call. Backing up a few things in this thread.

It was mentioned that Tatum is on the career arc to be the next Durant. Strong disagreement..and I am a big Tatum fanboy.

The issue is what kind of player is Durant now, however Durant is one of one. He is one of the top 5-7 most devastating offensive forces this league has ever seen. He is a seven footer with guard skills and handle who can score consistently from anywhere on the court from say 27 feet and in. There is no single defender who has ever been able to handle him. He is an all time assassin. He is an offensive savant. His skilled shotmaking is historical greatness.

To me, if Tatum achieves his highest outcome he gets to about 70% of Durant which would make him probably one of the top 30 greatest offensive players ever. High high company.

Moving on. Mid 30’s, Achilles blow out, games played over the last three years is scary. Guys with his mileage, generally don’t get healthier in their mid to late 30’s. You can’t do it in the NBA like you do in the NHL or NFL, but he would be a perfect conditional trade.
You get say 3 first round picks. If he plays 80% of the games or wins a title in first 2 years then you keep all 3. If injury causes him to miss more than 33% of games over first two years then one pick comes back..etc.

As an aside, I still think he ends up in Mia. Pat Riley always gets what he wants.

What is the value of Seth Curry to this deal? Do we want him in tandem to this deal or is his defensive indifference not going to work here.

There is no way Smart and Jaylen are both going in this deal. Most teams are not offering their significant player, like Phoenix and Booker. So why would the Celts be adding two of their top five players, and picks..

I am down on White, maybe recency bias but if this deal needs a final sweetener in lieu of picks I would be comfortable adding him.
White is more than a sweetener, he is needed to match salaries. Either he or Smart pretty much has to be in there. Nets clearly would prefer Smart and Celtics would clearly prefer White. Jaylen is valuable enough that I think the Nets ultimately back off Smart. But it may take the inclusion of Grant or more picks/Begarin to complete it.

As for Miami, they really can’t offer enough due to the Bam issue. And they can’t fix that issue without trading Simmons at arguably the lowest point (at least so far) in his trade value.

If I had to handicap this situation, it’s:

Boston, Toronto, or Nets holding off and playing a bad game of chicken.
 

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White is more than a sweetener, he is needed to match salaries. Either he or Smart pretty much has to be in there. Nets clearly would prefer Smart and Celtics would clearly prefer White. Jaylen is valuable enough that I think the Nets ultimately back off Smart. But it may take the inclusion of Grant or more picks/Begarin to complete it.

As for Miami, they really can’t offer enough due to the Bam issue. And they can’t fix that issue without trading Simmons at arguably the lowest point (at least so far) in his trade value.

If I had to handicap this situation, it’s:

Boston, Toronto, or Nets holding off and playing a bad game of chicken.
The Bam workaround would be a 3-way trade where Bam goes somewhere else. Feels like the Heat kinda need Bam, though, & agree they can't really field a competitive offer without him.

A KD/Bam/DMitch 3-way trade with other stuff floating around would be one way to move around some of these pieces.
 

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The Bam workaround would be a 3-way trade where Bam goes somewhere else. Feels like the Heat kinda need Bam, though, & agree they can't really field a competitive offer without him.

A KD/Bam/DMitch 3-way trade with other stuff floating around would be one way to move around some of these pieces.
True but 3 way trades are just so hard to line up though, especially when the 3rd team isn’t just a salary dump. I would never rule Riley out but it feels like KD only makes sense there if you can get him and keep Bam, which is not possible.

This feels like the Celtics are in the prime position to complete the deal, if they are motivated and the Nets are being reasonable. Jury is obviously still out on both of those fronts though.
 

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Found the DARKO charts interesting with these 4 most closely involved (plus Tatum for curiosity)

Durant has always been great, though his D has held him back from being ranked higher.

Jaylen has really been moving up in the advanced metrics recently. Huge recent leap from Tatum of course.

Mostly consistent improvement from Marcus. White has tailed off, interested to see how he bounces back (or doesn't) this year.
 

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I didn’t use the word ”guarantee,” but the C’s have home field advantage. Why would he leave money on the table to sign elsewhere?



How many max-ish players in Jaylen’s situation under the current CBA are leaving their current franchises for elsewhere?
How many of those guys are there? Most guys like Jaylen can sign lucrative extensions, which he can't. But off the top of my head...
Sub max but Jalen Brunson this year.
2021- 2 of the 4 guys who were UFA and signed for over 25M a year switched teams (Lowry and DeRozan)
2020-3rd biggest deal of the period was Hayward to CHA
2019 is the big year for max guys.... Kawhi, Kyrie, KD, Butler, Kemba, D-Lo and Horford all leave their teams to go elsewhere.
2018 had LeBron
2017 had Hayward

Guys who don't sign extensions and aren't RFA switch teams a lot.

Found the DARKO charts interesting with these 4 most closely involved (plus Tatum for curiosity)

Durant has always been great, though his D has held him back from being ranked higher.

Jaylen has really been moving up in the advanced metrics recently. Huge recent leap from Tatum of course.

Mostly consistent improvement from Marcus. White has tailed off, interested to see how he bounces back (or doesn't) this year.
DARKO likes Jaylen a lot more than the other metrics (15th vs. 44th in Raptor and 60th in LEBRON) all the metrics agree that Durant is still both elite and a lot better than Jaylen.
 

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What about KG was fake? Everything I’ve read about KG says that he was borderline unhinged when it came to basketball.
This is good old Rocco talk, who felt that Garnett liked to pick on smaller/weaker players (Calderon was one example) and backed off against big guys. Not an endorsement of that position, but that’s where that comes from.