Allen Craig and Ian Kinsler? Do they also have Eric Gagne and Yoenis Cespedes in their front office?
X Leaves the Spot for San Diego: 11 years, $280M
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I'm late to this party, but really the Sox should not have let it come to this, somehow. There is no fucking joy in Mudville. Mookie. Xander. Yeah, they better sign Devers.
Bogaerts: Looking forward to playing in San Diego for the rest of my career. They were straight forward in the negotiations. SD was my first ASG so I envisioned myself possibly being here someday. Roster is pretty stacked top to bottom including pitching. Watched a lot of the games in the playoffs. AJ has said I will be playing shortstop. This team reminds me of the Boston '18 team. So superior roster-wise to everyone.
Interestingly, Xander thinks he'll hit more HR's at Petco than he would at Fenway due to his line-drive swing.
There is literally nothing in their recent behavior that shows any indication of them signing Devers.
I was told that the ST offer for Xander was 90Million,,,
That was apparently completely inaccurate
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1601338866266669056
That was apparently completely inaccurate
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1601338866266669056
So you bash Heyman about everything regarding Boras yet this you completely believe?
True, but there was also nothing in their behavior before any signings they've done over the past couple of years (at least).
Reverse lock?
The ST offer of 90M you were told about, that you now believe is apparently completely innacurate, was first reported by...Jon Heyman.
A report he never backtracked on until today.
Sure sounds to me like the mouth organ is now playing for Sox ownership now that they're taking some heat. Can someone get Heyman on the phone and pump up that number from 8 months ago now that we look ridiculous?
Botching is very generous. Heyman reporting on free agency is the MLB equivalent of FOX news. There's an agenda, his intentions very apparent and he doesn't seem to care.
Yes, this is maybe more accurate than you think, he was hired by the NY Post in April and has not seemed to give a shit since. Long ago he was a pretty good baseball reporter, then he turned into a Boras mouthpiece, but since April, he seems to have just stopped caring completely. That Judge stunt the other day would have gotten a reporter fired in an era where there were any journalistic standards left.
Yup, these types of signings (and non-signings) are up to the ownership, not the GM.
Henry is responsible for Mookie and Xander leaving. Bloom is responsible for the bad trades of Beni, Renfroe, and the non-signing of Schwarber.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1601341238115868672?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Bogaerts says he's very appreciative and thankful to Red Sox for his time there. "It was a great run. This is definitely a different challenge. This team really wants to win and you can see how close it is."
Bogaerts says he's very appreciative and thankful to Red Sox for his time there. "It was a great run. This is definitely a different challenge. This team really wants to win and you can see how close it is."
Does San Diego not see the value in mid to low tier free agents with a farm system years away? The nerve!
True, but at least they’re not trying to improve from a last place finish behind the Diamondbacks.
Because ...?
I ask because the defense position would be to say they talked to him but realized they didn't have a chance ... when publicly they were calling the media pessimists and didn't refute the reports on "momentum."
My comment was more a take on Cotillo basically saying that those who leaked the positive reports had an agenda, but the interview he did with Bloom was the real story. Seems naive to me on Cotillo's part
For better or worse, if you're looking to purchase a Red Sox jersey, pick a home one with 34, 45, 8, or any of the retired numbers, because if they're really committed to the Rays' path to contention, there will be more farewells than there will be players retiring after spending most of their careers with the team.
Bloom’s comments are specific and seem credible. We know Heyman’s a mouthpiece, so the “heavy discussions” bit he tweeted checks out. Besides, what would be the upside of giving an interview with easily falsifiable information like Bloom just did.
The Boston media has discovered that it’s far more beneficial to them to report on the affective elements of this story rather than the substantive stuff. It was probably a strategic error for Bloom to do the “pessimist” bit, but that doesn’t make him wrong. It’s not wrong to call out the media’s cynicism and commitment to uncharitable reads. The best Bloom can do is just be accountable and forthright. Maybe it’s still not enough.
People are going to find reasons for outrage regardless. If we sign Correa tomorrow, it’ll be evidence of a larger plan — but of course, there’d still be local reporters filing stories asking why Xander wasn’t worth a big contract but Correa was (“he’s a cheater; Cora preferred him to X; you name it). It’s the same reason why reporters keep writing the same line about how Sox fans are getting restless with Bloom after two last-place finishes in three years. Sure, it’s true, but you have to suspend a ton of your own intelligence to make the assertion that it’s Bloom’s fault.
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I’m not a fan of Bloom but I believe him more than the reports saying they thought they were going to sign him. I mean, didn’t this all start with a Heyman tweet? Boras’ mouthpiece tweets that talks are intensifying and then half the beat reporters jump on board saying similar shit.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1601441570511024128?s=20&t=7eEn_bH03P6I9RzjQE3nOA
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1601441570511024128?s=20&t=7eEn_bH03P6I9RzjQE3nOA
Going back thru some old tweets during the “negotiations” and something now strikes me as odd
View: https://twitter.com/Sean_McAdam/status/1600575802818469888?s=20&t=PczGM1hw536YvoWdFPGpyw
Its not even Sean who asked this “sox person” but someone who asked this “sox person” and then relayed that info to Sean.
You would think Sean would have enough sources to be able to ask someone in the FO directly himself and not rely on second hand info.
how do we even know that was actually a “sox person” since sean did not ask them directly
View: https://twitter.com/Sean_McAdam/status/1600575802818469888?s=20&t=PczGM1hw536YvoWdFPGpyw
Notice the phrasing of this tweet.
Its not even Sean who asked this “sox person” but someone who asked this “sox person” and then relayed that info to Sean.
You would think Sean would have enough sources to be able to ask someone in the FO directly himself and not rely on second hand info.
how do we even know that was actually a “sox person” since sean did not ask them directly
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The McWillams airport article is going to leave the most impression people, which portrayed Bloom as a clueless buffoon.
Chaim keeps saying all the right things, but this market is probably all out of patience, not that there ever was going to be much to begin with.
Chaim keeps saying all the right things, but this market is probably all out of patience, not that there ever was going to be much to begin with.
The “give me a minute” over and over strikes odd. Was he playing it all up? Or covering now.
Bloom is now saying he knew they were out on Bogaerts Tuesday or maybe Wednesday at the latest. Which means all the happy talk was agent bullshit to drive up the price. Which means the Padres *READ* the happy talk and drove up their price.
I know people aren't happy with the Sox right now, but I wouldn't trade Bloom for Preller.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/12/red-soxs-chaim-bloom-on-losing-xander-bogaerts-it-got-to-a-point-to-we-werent-going-to.html
I know people aren't happy with the Sox right now, but I wouldn't trade Bloom for Preller.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/12/red-soxs-chaim-bloom-on-losing-xander-bogaerts-it-got-to-a-point-to-we-werent-going-to.html
I think he'd be #7 after the above mentioned 5 plus Valentin. Or #8 ( not sure how Vern Stephens 4+ very good years compares to Burleson's 7 years of offensive mediocrity).
No, I'm referring to 2021 Kike, 2021 Whitlock, 2022 Wacha, and 2022 Story as having far better seasons. You said that every player Bloom has added is a complimentary piece, but Schwarber isn't.
Re: Story and Schwarber - yeah there is no reasonable basis that Story is a complimentary player but Schwarber is a core piece - they are both complimentary 2.5-3.5 win players who aren't quite starts and got corresponding non star deals. On the far better season point, actually being able to play games counts too. Story may have been better on a rate basis, but they were basically the same once you take into account Story couldnt say on the field for a full season and was paid considerably more last season. I think both guys will be worth their deals at the end of them, but am more certain on that with Schwarber (think Schwarber will have significant excess value at the end of it) than Story. Then again, I was also shocked that Schwarber only got the 4/79 deal. Figured that was an easy 5/110 type.
To be clear - I like the Story deal and think it will turn out well. I was just confounded last offseason when they didnt make more of an effort with Schwarber, especially after his final deal came out.
Depending on which WAR you use Schwarber was either sightly negative or slightly positive value this year, it's nearly impossible for someone who provides as little as he does on the bases and with his glove to provide significant excess value on his current contract. He'd have to hit much better than he did last year which was already above his career average.
Agreed on what his WAR was last year - I'd quibble a bit that $8M a win is too low and that last year was at least 8.5 and were seeing more like 9.5.
The other thing that I think is relevant here (and funny due to how bad a fielder you really have to be for this to be true) - Schwarber is more valuable as a DH than as a LF by these metrics. That is what he was signed to do, but had to play LF because of injuries. If he was an everyday DH, hed have picked up at least another quarter win last season - he'd have been a 3 fwar DH last season. That is one of those situations, where WAR isnt particularly reflective of the performance - most players are always going to look worse playing somewhere they shouldnt be, but if its needed, its beneficial to the team, not detrimental.
As for the bat - you'd expect 28-31 to be the best hitting years, so one should expect that the years are better than his career averages. That was one of the reasons the deal was so surprising to me at the time; grabbing the entire prime with very little downside year exposure is a pretty nice deal. Absent serious injury, it'd be pretty shocking if significantly underperformed the pricing.
It seems weird to me to penalize a guy for being a DH when league rules require that every team has a DH.