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NE's situation is the complete opposite of what his desired situation seems to be. I hope and trust this is just due diligence/doing a vet a solid and giving him some good PR.
 

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I'm sure he knew parameters of his role before he agreed to the visit.

Whether he signs, and truly is willing to play a role....we'll see.

I would worry about fit and expectations, but this is the Pats---if they don't believe he'll fit in, they won't sign him. And if they sign him and he complains, he'll be gone as fast as Albert Haynesworth can quit on a play, so....
 

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NE's situation is the complete opposite of what his desired situation seems to be. I hope and trust this is just due diligence/doing a vet a solid and giving him some good PR.
On the other hand, if he'd accept being a two-down back who isn't the featured offensive weapon, the Patriots are well-stocked with third-down options.
 

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OK, I'll go there first:

It's too bad Tyreek Hill didn't choke and punch a kid instead of his girlfriend because I'd much rather have him.
 

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Zo tweeted that Peterson the player is a Belichick binky. Peterson can't be that delusional that he'd expect 30 carries a game in this offense. He knows he's a part of a situational based backfield. His role in Minnesota is akin to a dinasour in that it doesn't exist anywhere else. He also knows he's not getting big money. He's got his money so he's looking for a chance to win a ring so what better place to do so.

If they sign him, complete the perfect offseason by pulling off a draft day trade for Sherman.
 

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Dont really like this one. Hope it doesn't work out.
Hard to predict this one, but I'm with you.

I think the Pats' offer will be roughly as follows, if one is forthcoming at all: we're offering $2M and no promises on your touches/playing time. Sound good?

What makes me think there might be a shot he says 'yes' to that is his market is pretty small given his age, injury history, lack of presence in the passing game or, frankly, anything but deep back sets. Bad or young teams won't want him because he'll block younger talent, and he's a nonfactor on special teams, and it's not clear which contenders - where he's presumably looking to sign - would be fits. Pittsburgh? New York? Hard to see Baltimore springing for him.
 

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There is a point where vets with egos get to be too numerous, even for the Pats culture. I am not sure I see the fit with Peterson, but can imagine it if he says (and then actually does) the right things. I maybe could see Sherman, but not likely both. At some point, it does get hard to get full buy-in...not everyone is Chris Long.
 

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There were nearly 300 carries in this offense for Blount last year. I know part of that was them leaning on the running game with Brady out but I think there are plenty of carries for Peterson. The real question to me is what this staff thinks of what's left of his skills. Doubt they sign him but will be interesting to follow.
 

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There were nearly 300 carries in this offense for Blount last year. I know part of that was them leaning on the running game with Brady out but I think there are plenty of carries for Peterson. The real question to me is what this staff thinks of what's left of his skills. Doubt they sign him but will be interesting to follow.
Hard to really gauge AP considering how colossally terrible that O-Line was and a limited sample size. I won't believe AP is cooked until I see it...he's a freak.
 

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There were nearly 300 carries in this offense for Blount last year. I know part of that was them leaning on the running game with Brady out but I think there are plenty of carries for Peterson. The real question to me is what this staff thinks of what's left of his skills. Doubt they sign him but will be interesting to follow.
I think this is a good point. Blount got the carries and 18 touchdowns to go with them. And Peterson would likely fill the exact same roll. This is a good pitch to Peterson. At the same time Blount in past seasons has got about half as many carries as he did this year. Plus we seem to have more depth at running back this year than last--Burkhead, Lewis is healthy, White is more experienced.

Eddy Lacy (who I can't believe is only 26 seems like he's 30) signed a 4m 1 yr contract with Seattle. This seems like the closest benchmark out of 2017 RB contracts so far to look at when thinking about Peterson. They are both big backs and had solid 2015 seasons but were out last year. Even though Lacy is younger, health problems have made him more risky-- kind of like an older player.
We have cap room but may want to roll some of it over. We just signed Burkhead to 3m 1yr and another 4-5 million at running back seems like too much based on what we have been doing at the position. In the big picture though its just a 4-5 million one year cap hit.
I also read in some other forum that the Cowboys were willing to give him 5 million but I haven't found anything to really confirm that.

For the sake of argument do you think the Patriots should sign Peterson if the deal was say 5million 1yr?

I think yes cause the caps going up and I'm a sucker for big name offensive players and possible upside and i'm addicted to all these big moves they've made this offseason. Sign the SoB.
 

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This is obviously an offshoot from Peterson ... but why not just sign Blount?
 

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I would offer him the vet minimum with maybe some incentives if that. $5 million would be crazy and super puzzling from a roster construction/cap allocation standpoint. Why sign Burkhead to a one year deal for decent money? Why have all the RBs on the roster come up for free agency next year?

If they go this route I'd guess it means they are moving on from Lewis for whatever reason and see AP as better for the early down/carry workload role but this would be about as much of a head scratcher as I've seen from the Pats. I'd guess this is just kicking the tires/BB showing respect to a great player.
 

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I don't see how Peterson, off what he showed in 2016, is likely any better than LGBT. Blount is a known fit, popular with his teammates and the Minutemen, and likely less expensive.

Edit: Or... what E5Yaz said.
 

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I don't see how Peterson, off what he showed in 2016, is likely any better than LGBT. Blount is a known fit, popular with his teammates and the Minutemen, and likely less expensive.

Edit: Or... what E5Yaz said.
Sure, he is less expensive than what the media is reporting AP wants. I doubt the Patriots pay that amount.
 

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I would offer him the vet minimum with maybe some incentives if that. $5 million would be crazy and super puzzling from a roster construction/cap allocation standpoint. Why sign Burkhead to a one year deal for decent money? Why have all the RBs on the roster come up for free agency next year?

If they go this route I'd guess it means they are moving on from Lewis for whatever reason and see AP as better for the early down/carry workload role but this would be about as much of a head scratcher as I've seen from the Pats. I'd guess this is just kicking the tires/BB showing respect to a great player.
I get not liking the idea, but there's no reason to think they are giving the guy $5 mil right now. Let's wait and see if they sign him, and on what terms first...
 

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I didn't suggest it, I responded to a direct question about signing him to those terms.

I honestly don't really want this player on the team at basically any realistic price. I wouldn't give him Reggie Wayne's deal.
 

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Why would you want to go to the Patriots first? If they don't sign you doesn't that tell other teams something you may not want them to know?
Since NE has the reputation for paying short money, couldn't the upshot of a not-signing just as easily be, "They think he's got a lot left, but they are unwilling to pay for it"?

Regardless, football is hard enough to watch. I doubt the Patriots are all saints, but I really dont need more cognitive dissonance. And since its all about me, I hope he goes elsewhere.
 

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Mike Reiss opines that Peterson could be a fit on a low-money, incentive-laden deal, and that the Patriots are at least exploring whether it could be a fit. Not a ton of insight.
I think he's a fit on the field. The only sticking points to me is whether Kraft wants to associate with the shitstorm that comes with Peterson off the field and money. The fact that he's coming in for a visit signals to me that RK is OK with his off the field stuff.
 

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This is obviously an offshoot from Peterson ... but why not just sign Blount?
When I first saw this, I thought it screamed "BB is bringing AP in for a visit so that Blount accepts the fact that he is getting $1.5 million to re-sign with the Pats."

We shall see. Count me in the camp that I am totally fine passing on AP based on his off field exploits. I don't want to root for him.
 

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I've got nothing to add to the "is AP moral enough to play for the Pats" question, but I found it interesting that a couple of days ago that the Pats made it known that Joe Mixon was not. And now wonder whether that leak was cover for this visit.
 

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I share many of the concerns raised here about Peterson's off-field issues, his potential contract, and his fit (my understanding is he struggles running zone, from shotgun, or without a fullback, and he had seven fumbles in his last full season), but two points in his favor:
1) For some reason we seem to have a one-year timeframe when it comes to football evaluation. In 2015, Peterson was the best running back in football, leading the league in rushing, averaging 4.5 YPC, and being named first-time All-Pro, while Blount ended the season on IR. Last year, Blount had a career year while Peterson got hurt early. Obviously we can't handwave away 2016, especially with Peterson just turning 32, but it shouldn't be any mystery if the Patriots (or any team) prefer ADP to Blount. His resume is far more impressive, and he was extremely effective just two seasons ago.
2) Something I noticed a lot in 2016 was the Patriots running Blount outside while the WR crackblocked inside, forcing CB to try to tackle Blount. This is a great counter to teams that flood the middle to take away the slot / TE passing game, matching up the massive Blount on corners. Of course, he had to get to the edge to make this work, no sure thing. Blount's considerably bigger than Peterson, making him perhaps even more intimidating to DBs, but Peterson's certainly got a lot more speed to make this approach pay off more consistently.
 

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2) Something I noticed a lot in 2016 was the Patriots running Blount outside while the WR crackblocked inside, forcing CB to try to tackle Blount. This is a great counter to teams that flood the middle to take away the slot / TE passing game, matching up the massive Blount on corners.
I thiought of this type of play as well, but it also reminded me of this rule change for this season:

Makes crackback blocks prohibited by a backfield player who is in motion, even if he is not more than two yards outside the tackle when the ball is snapped.
I guess that will come down to what they consider a "backfield player" in motion
 

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Given a hypothetical choice between AP and LGBT at the same money, I'd take LGBT for both football and non-football reasons. We know that Blount is a good fit for the Patriots, in both ways.
 

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Technically that should be any of the (up to) 4 eligible players in the Backfield. IE Not the uncovered guys on the LOS (including those outside of the tackles).

I wonder what toll the Blocks are taking on the "undersized WRs". I know that Edelman, Dola and Co are great blockers but hitting 250lb LBers are on a consistent basis (even if they are unsuspecting) is not the optimal usage for those guys.
 

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The only sticking points to me is whether Kraft wants to associate with the shitstorm that comes with Peterson off the field and money. The fact that he's coming in for a visit signals to me that RK is OK with his off the field stuff.
I should say that while I am *vehemently* against corporeal punishment, the texts between AP and his ex suggested to me something that was cultural not malicious in its nature. Peterson seemed to have absolutely no idea that what he was doing was wrong -- it was how he was raised, he felt he had grown up into a man being raised that way and thought he was punishing his child appropriately. Obviously, it's not right -- and is absolutely the wrong way to discipline a child.

But I had a hard time coming away from what we learned about that whole episode thinking that Peterson was a "bad person" -- and wonder if perhaps Kraft--having developed close personal relationships with other African Americans who grew up in poverty like Curtis Martin--might feel the same way.
 

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Regardless, football is hard enough to watch. I doubt the Patriots are all saints, but I really dont need more cognitive dissonance. And since its all about me, I hope he goes elsewhere.
Seconded. Don't want him at any price.

The part of the child abuse story that always got me was where he took the leaves off the switch and stuffed them into the kid's mouth before beating him. Say whatever you want about having "gotten carried away" or whatever but that just always reflected some depraved stuff to me. The pictures were graphic and got the headlines. But the leaves. I can't get past the leaves. I'll get over it but it would be hard to watch him in a Patriots uniform. I don't think I could get past the leaves every time I saw him.
 

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Seconded. Don't want him at any price.

The part of the child abuse story that always got me was where he took the leaves off the switch and stuffed them into the kid's mouth before beating him. Say whatever you want about having "gotten carried away" or whatever but that just always reflected some depraved stuff to me. The pictures were graphic and got the headlines. But the leaves. I can't get past the leaves. I'll get over it but it would be hard to watch him in a Patriots uniform. I don't think I could get past the leaves every time I saw him.
You may be right about this, BTW. That was absolutely horrible -- and I should probably reacquaint myself with the facts of the case. I was simply saying in my previous post that there was something surprising to me about how completely ... innocent Peterson was in describing the abuse, tho that word feels wrong to use. It was hard for me to reconcile with the acts themselves.
 

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You may be right about this, BTW. That was absolutely horrible -- and I should probably reacquaint myself with the facts of the case. I was simply saying in my previous post that there was something surprising to me about how completely ... innocent Peterson was in describing the abuse, tho that word feels wrong to use. It was hard for me to reconcile with the acts themselves.
It's really hard to put yourself in another person's shoes. I agree that there was definitely a sense that he viewed what he did as normal and was surprised it wasn't -- although some of the texts indicated that he knew he had gone too far by hitting the child in the genital area. I don't know if he was being duplicitous or not. He did seem genuine. Still, I just have a problem getting past doing what he did to a 4 year old boy and have trouble imagining that while he was doing it it didn't feel wrong, whatever his moral calibration on normal based on his life experience.

I also am of the impression that he has never been completely contrite about it or that he thinks it's a very big deal, but I admit I didn't follow the story closely.
 

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2014/11/20/adrian-peterson-roger-goodell-child-abuse-switch-minnesota-vikings/70025476/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2014/11/20/adrian-peterson-roger-goodell-child-abuse-switch-minnesota-vikings/70025476/
Not that I am in favor of signing him, but he denies putting leaves in the kids mouth.

"No one knows how I felt when I turned my child around after spanking him and seeing what I had left on his leg," Peterson said. "No one knows that Dad sat there and apologized to him, hugged him and told him that I didn't mean to do this to you and how sorry I was.

"I love my son. I love my kids, my family. Like I said after I took the misdemeanor plea, I take full responsibility for my actions. I regret the situation. I love my son more than any one of you could even imagine."
All they care about is, 'Hey, these are the pictures. They say that he put leaves in his mouth. They say that he beat him. They say that I hit his hands (and those were) defensive wounds.' "
All of those allegations are false, Peterson said, repeating what he told police: He had his son take off his pants and whipped him with a switch, which he didn't realize was wrapping around the boy's thigh and leaving marks.
 

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The Peterson visit does underscore that while I, like all of us, appreciate the Kraft family immeasurably, I wish they would just keep their mouths shut about who is on their draft board and who isn't. If you're not going to draft Joe Mixon, just don't draft him, don't announce it to the world because then you open yourself to charges of hypocrisy when you inevitably obtain someone else with a spotty past. And you also embarrass someone you know very little about.

I mean this is the same ownership whose GM said "I've learned the hard way that you don't drop them down on the draft board, you take them off" while talking about the guy who would go for 98 rec/1493yds/23TD for the Patriots nine years later.
 

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Count my out on this one. I know not all players are angels, but Peterson is POS and child abuser. It wasn't just one incident and he didn't deny most of it. He's an old RB and not even remotely worth the hassle. Even if he was a 26 year old AP it'd be a tough pill to swallow. F' this. I wouldn't even offer him the veteran minimum.
 

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Count my out on this one. I know not all players are angels, but Peterson is POS and child abuser. It wasn't just one incident and he didn't deny most of it. He's an old RB and not even remotely worth the hassle. Even if he was a 26 year old AP it'd be a tough pill to swallow. F' this. I wouldn't even offer him the veteran minimum.
Very fair perspective.

But what will you do if they sign him, and he scores two TDs in the Super Bowl? Will you cheer? This is a serious question.