Do the Yankees Moves Rekindle the Rivalry?
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I've grown to love the wanks. I'm rooting for them to win every game against the BJs and O's, lose every game to the Sox and Rays, and finish exactly one game out of a playoff berth.
Yeah but there's nothing personal there and most teams have some kind of massive ass hole you could pick out. Teixeira sucks but he did us a favor by going there. I don't know I just don't hate any of them anymore.
I am working up a hatred for Mookie, Xander and Benitendi, in advance of next week's series in Boston. You just can't wait until game day to turn the venom on.
Probably because they're not winning. Not to overstate it, but watching the Yanks buy championships year after year was a huge part of rooting against guys who went to the Yanks for mega dollars and suddenly sported haircuts and talked about "the Yankee way," and the specialness of NY. It was like a particularly vapid country club/cult.
Yes, I love this. I sure hope that your fearless leader didn't break your Betances this past week.
I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion. Maybe after that Souza bomb lands
I was at the MFY@BAL game Sunday. The visiting lineup:
Gardner, Refsnyder, Sanchez, Castro, Headley, Romine, Judge, Austin, Torreyes.
I'm not saying I wasn't hating, but I sadly admit I had to make a conscious effort to do so at times. I actually looked forward to watching Sanchez's ABs.
Gardner, Refsnyder, Sanchez, Castro, Headley, Romine, Judge, Austin, Torreyes.
I'm not saying I wasn't hating, but I sadly admit I had to make a conscious effort to do so at times. I actually looked forward to watching Sanchez's ABs.
Well, they only have four less wins than Boston does.
One name that hasn't been mentioned in this thread that I as a Yankee fan probably hated more than any other Red Sox player is Jonathan Papelbon.
And honestly, the thing that really killed the rivalry was you guys winning the World Series in 2004, you beat us in glorious fashion but it also kind of ended it all. The rage is gone.
Even as a Sox fan I hate Papelbon. And Schilling. Fuck that awful turd of a human. Hated him before he was a Red Sox even after he helped beat the Yankees in '01. Glad he pitched for us in '04 and I almost forget that he was great in '07. I still hate him. Geez I hated Beckett too. If it wasn't for Papi, Manny, Pedroia, Lowell, Tek and Youk I would have totally hated that team. I never cared for Ellsbury, I was meh on Coco... hated Lugo too. Good gawd I hated that team almost as much as I loved them.
Yeah, Yankees are only 2 back out of the wildcard somehow. I'm going to guess that once the influx of young talent gets settled in NY and in Boston, the rivalry will rekindle. Although there doesn't seem to be a Jeter vs Nomar debate upcoming, unless I'm missing something obvious.
For the season, the Yankees are 9 games over .500 with a run differential of -11. They've been playing better and I appreciate all the defeats of the Orioles and Blue Jays, but this is just a hot streak. It doesn't represent an increase in talent level. They're still a few years away from being serious contenders for the division.
Too much hate. You're never going to get all saints or model citizens on a team. If they're wearing the uniform and not going all Aaron Hernandez, they're my boys.
Well I hated Brian McCann when he was with the Braves and him going to the Yankees made hating him all the easier.
I hated that they got Chapman for nothing and traded him for really good talent. And I'll hate it more when they re-sign the asshole after the season.
I hated that they got Chapman for nothing and traded him for really good talent. And I'll hate it more when they re-sign the asshole after the season.
While factually true I know that you know, as a Yankee fan, this wasn't the "winning" he was referring to.
Yeah of course I do. And I would be stunned if they won a championship over the next two postseasons. But I actually only saw this thread for the first time today and read through it and for all the talk of the Red Sox superior young talent (and it is superior), the Yankees find themselves with only 4 less wins as of today.
Sensational! I may not agree, but I love that line.
Leon vs. Sanchez won't be Fisk vs. Munson?
I kinda figured that the reason the Sox are where they are and the Yankees being where they are is because Farrell's teams underperforms and Girardi's teams overperforms.
That's about it.
That's about it.
The piece linked in the original post is gone. I'd love to read it.Well, to be fair, in the piece I argued the Sox were a year or two away as well.
But I trust you.
Tek can sum up my feelings about the current version of the Yanks. "we don't throw at .260 hitters."
Weird. I PM'd Pete about it. In the mean time, this link should work.
http://sonsofsamhorn.com/baseball/majorleaguebaseball/al-east/boston-red-sox/boston-red-sox-new-york-yankees-rivalry/
It must be quite confusing to new posters.
Just supporting the local 9, my friend. The Yankees will always be able to reel me back in when do smart things, like the way they have revamped the organization.He defected to NatsTown also for a while, you guys are welcome to him.
As much as I dislike Girardi I would actually prefer him as a manager over Farrell. 3 to 4 wins is stretching it though. Just 2-3 wins would be a significant upgrade. Imagine being 5 games up on the Jays right now....
Or maybe we'd be 2-3 games worse. Because we're just pulling numbers out of our asses.
Before they started tracking exit velocity, some players were thought to have the ball spring off their bats as opposed to other softer hitting players. No way to quantify it back in the day - but does it mean that there was no difference between the exit velocities of Vlad. G. and Mike Benjamin?
Just because a difference can't be easily quantified does not mean it does not exist. I agree we're pulling numbers out of the air, but a) they seem like reasonable numbers and b) there's no credible argument that Farrell adds wins due to his in-game management.
I guess it's a good thing no one argued there was no difference.
And what about Farrell's out of game management? Could there be wins gained there?
The numbers being thrown around here aren't credible. They are literally conjured from the imagination.
Farrell runs a much more cohesive clubhouse.
And there is no credible argument that Girardi adds wins due to his game management. He does a shitload of curious things.
It is by no means a perfect stat, but according to BP's 3rd order winning percentage, the Sox are under performing by 11 wins. The Yankees are over performing by 3.
If you're just looking at straight pythag, Sox are under by 7 wins, Yanks over by 6. The Sox have under performed their pythag every year under Farrell outside of 2014 when they matched it exactly. During the same time period, the Yankees have over performed their pythag every season except 2015 when they were 1 under.
If you're just looking at straight pythag, Sox are under by 7 wins, Yanks over by 6. The Sox have under performed their pythag every year under Farrell outside of 2014 when they matched it exactly. During the same time period, the Yankees have over performed their pythag every season except 2015 when they were 1 under.
Do we really know that underperforming pythag is correlated with bad managerial strategy?
I can certainly believe it, but I'd feel better if there were some way to back it up.
I can certainly believe it, but I'd feel better if there were some way to back it up.
We don't know it, but it passes the eye test a bit, and more importantly it fits the narrative well.
This about sums it up. I hated Price with a passion but now that he's in Boston, I love him to death and he's my guy. And I still love Paps, even today, when he's more known for a being a shithead than a pitcher. Sure he's a jackass but he is (or was) our jackass.
I've noticed teams with exceptional bullpens are the teams who outperform their expected W/L records. The Yankees had that.
We've somehow lost our way gang.....back to hatred.
Living in New York State, I can watch these guts every day...and have for years. Last couple-not so much. The Wingjack is right, 2004 took much of the steam out of the boiler. Not especially that it happened...but the WAY it happened. Look
I go back to loosing Tony C, 1967, and I won't get into Lucky Dent etc.
Most of the objects of hatred are gone now. Yea, there's the horse. Laughoutloud. There's Girardi and his badass attitude. There's that. These new guys, Oh- they'll become Yankees...you bet- and some will shoot for TRUE yankdom-and when they do, We'll be waiting. In the meantime, there's the YES crew. Kay, and (I know some of you defended him last time I brought it up) David Cone. Maybe the biggest ass kissing boot licker of all time. It's the YES crew I'm enjoying to hate right now.
Have a nice day.
Living in New York State, I can watch these guts every day...and have for years. Last couple-not so much. The Wingjack is right, 2004 took much of the steam out of the boiler. Not especially that it happened...but the WAY it happened. Look
I go back to loosing Tony C, 1967, and I won't get into Lucky Dent etc.
Most of the objects of hatred are gone now. Yea, there's the horse. Laughoutloud. There's Girardi and his badass attitude. There's that. These new guys, Oh- they'll become Yankees...you bet- and some will shoot for TRUE yankdom-and when they do, We'll be waiting. In the meantime, there's the YES crew. Kay, and (I know some of you defended him last time I brought it up) David Cone. Maybe the biggest ass kissing boot licker of all time. It's the YES crew I'm enjoying to hate right now.
Have a nice day.
Well, Girardi comes up with nicknames for each of his players. Does Farrell do that? That is probably worth three or four wins a season.
The same used to be said of about Torre and a some sabermaticians supported the theory that Torre's overperformance was all Mo.
Plus the Sox terrible pen would explain why JF is under.
....and Drew! I forgot Drew! So glad he was on the Red Sox in '07... But geez I couldn't stand him either. Rather watch paint dry. Great player! So boring!
Girardi has his quirks, but Judge hasn't earned a nickname better than a y at the end of his name anyway.