This seems crazy to me.Adam SchefterVerified account@AdamSchefter
Patriots have no plans at this time to bring in or sign another QB before Thursday game vs Houston, per sources.
I don't think its crazy at all. Is the upside for someone like Ryan Lindley, on roughly half a practice, really higher than say Derby?This seems crazy to me.
Yeah, it's BB calling the shots. But can you really count out JB7 getting hurt in this game, especially with JJ Watt having a great start to the year?
No, Brissett may well get hurt. However, he needs every snap in a short week of practices to maximize his chances to perform well in the next game. I'd be surprised if a "new" backup isn't signed Friday morning so that Game 4 has a legit depth chart.This seems crazy to me.
Yeah, it's BB calling the shots. But can you really count out JB7 getting hurt in this game, especially with JJ Watt having a great start to the year?
I think it's jumping to conclusions that they didn't have that plan ready, based off of only the fact that they didn't end up using it. I think it's far more likely that they probably had one or both on speed dial and when they got the results of JG's MRI back and learned it would likely be only one week, they decided they would rather take this route than cut someone for one week. If any coach pays attention to the bottom of the roster it's BB.I am SHOCKED that the Pats didn't have a backup plan here. It was a calculated risk to go 4 games with Jimmy and a Rookie QB. Reasonable minds will vary, but I think it was a good risk to take. But the scenario they are in now was not unforeseeable. I thought for sure they had 1 or 2 emergency options ready to be dialed up if needed. I thought that a Lindley or Flynn would have received a phone call and been packing their bag before half time ended yesterday.
It seems very un-Pats like to not have done any What If planning around this.
What makes you think they didn't? I find it hard to believe this organization and coaching staff didn't consider this scenario. More likely, they did and they were willing to roll with Brissett with Edelman as the emergency backup. You may not agree with or like that plan, but there's no way they didn't foresee this.I am SHOCKED that the Pats didn't have a backup plan here. It was a calculated risk to go 4 games with Jimmy and a Rookie QB. Reasonable minds will vary, but I think it was a good risk to take. But the scenario they are in now was not unforeseeable. I thought for sure they had 1 or 2 emergency options ready to be dialed up if needed. I thought that a Lindley or Flynn would have received a phone call and been packing their bag before half time ended yesterday.
It seems very un-Pats like to not have done any What If planning around this.
Or you could defend it by realizing BB knows more than any of us.It never made sense not to have a third QB on the practice squad, as JG getting hurt was not unforeseen as young QBs simply don't have the experience to avoid injuries...having Edelman or Derby take snaps at QB is a horrible idea and will get them killed. The only way not signing a QB is semi defensible is if JG can actually play in a pinch...even that is dubious as putting an ailing JG out there is courting further disaster.
That does it. A 3-day ban on anyone who suggests a Derby release.Mike Reiss @MikeReiss 4m4 minutes ago Question to TE AJ Derby: "Got any life left in arm from QB days at Arkansas just in case?" Answer (with wide grin): "We're on to Houston."
BB likely coached him to say this to send BoB into a frenzied panic bringing up his college game tape, only to deactivate Derby on Thursday.That does it. A 3-day ban on anyone who suggests a Derby release.
Yeah, seriously.It's funny that people bitched about Brady getting too many pre-season reps or snaps. Now people want them to carry 4 QB's through camp in case of this scenario? Maybe they should carry 5 just in case something happens to the first 4?
Having a 4th QB on the team during pre-season would not have made sense for a number of reasons. Primarily...It never made sense not to have a third QB on the practice squad, as JG getting hurt was not unforeseen as young QBs simply don't have the experience to avoid injuries...having Edelman or Derby take snaps at QB is a horrible idea and will get them killed. The only way not signing a QB is semi defensible is if JG can actually play in a pinch...even that is dubious as putting an ailing JG out there is courting further disaster.
This is both hilarious and entirely possible.BB likely coached him to say this to send BoB into a frenzied panic bringing up his college game tape, only to deactivate Derby on Thursday.
I think it's more like "Out Thursday, lets see where Jimmy is on Friday/Saturday before doing anything"This is both hilarious and entirely possible.
Has there been any movement on this front since yesterday? Or are we still at the "Out in all likelihood on Thursday, hopeful he can play two weeks from now" stage?
GoldMike Reiss @MikeReiss 4m4 minutes ago
Question to TE AJ Derby: "Got any life left in arm from QB days at Arkansas just in case?" Answer (with wide grin): "We're on to Houston."
I was at that game. There was a buzz of incredulous exclamations, then laughter.
Patriots up 27 - 13 early in the third quarter and he gets hurt. They have no chance to win?If Brissett gets hurt they have literally no chance to win.
They are not likely having a real practice before Thursday. Today was probably just film, meetings, rehab. Tomorrow is likely just a walk thru, so it'll be half speed at best. Wednesday is probably another walk thru if anything. There is not going to be drills or a huge amount of reps that would cause any concern on the QB getting worn out.I've never been to an NFL practice or even a college practice, but is there a downside to having only one QB able to take snaps? Does it wear that one QB out? Do pass catchers have fewer reps because of this? Does it mean that Nick Caserio (I think he's the front office guy who sometimes throws some passes during the pre-season) will be the 2nd person throwing balls? Does that (the front office guy) lessen the preparation for the other players (i.e. Nick isn't able to throw a ball with appropriate zip/lenght/timing)? What about the scout team?
To your 2nd point, veterans on the opening roster have their season's salary guaranteed. So they'd have the veterans minimum in their pocket and then back on the street for week 5. If they sign now they will only get paid for the weeks they are on a team.Having a 4th QB on the team during pre-season would not have made sense for a number of reasons. Primarily...
1. They needed reps to get both Brady and Jimmy ready. Any other QB on the roster would have just took reps away from those two. That would have been bad.
2. Why would anyone have signed here knowing they'd be cut in week 5? When Brady comes back they will not keep 4 QBs on the roster. Brady, Jimmy and Jacoby will not be cut. So why sign with the Pats knowing you're going to get cut 1/4 into the season? For guys like Flynn or Lindley it makes more sense to stay a FA in case a different team has QB or QB backup injuries. They can't do that if they are a 4 week placeholder for the Pats.
I know you said Practice Squad and not Pre-season, but I think those two points still largely apply.
He gets It?Mike Reiss @MikeReiss 4m4 minutes ago
Question to TE AJ Derby: "Got any life left in arm from QB days at Arkansas just in case?" Answer (with wide grin): "We're on to Houston."
I don't remember the source but I remember reading that one of the advantages of the Chip Kelly approach to training camp and practices were that multiple offensive sets were occurring simultaneously or close to it. This was touted as an advantage because 2nd and 3rd stringers were getting reps they would not in other camps.I've never been to an NFL practice or even a college practice, but is there a downside to having only one QB able to take snaps? Does it wear that one QB out? Do pass catchers have fewer reps because of this? Does it mean that Nick Caserio (I think he's the front office guy who sometimes throws some passes during the pre-season) will be the 2nd person throwing balls? Does that (the front office guy) lessen the preparation for the other players (i.e. Nick isn't able to throw a ball with appropriate zip/lenght/timing)? What about the scout team?
The what if planning for having to play a fourth string quarterback is pretty universal: you are royally fucked.I am SHOCKED that the Pats didn't have a backup plan here. It was a calculated risk to go 4 games with Jimmy and a Rookie QB. Reasonable minds will vary, but I think it was a good risk to take. But the scenario they are in now was not unforeseeable. I thought for sure they had 1 or 2 emergency options ready to be dialed up if needed. I thought that a Lindley or Flynn would have received a phone call and been packing their bag before half time ended yesterday.
It seems very un-Pats like to not have done any What If planning around this.
True, but there would be some benefit signing someone now if you think Jimmy wouldn't be able to play against Buffalo. But it seems like the Pats think he will be able to, even if it's emergency only.The odds are probably pretty low that signing another QB or not ends up making the difference between winning and losing on Thursday.
I am uncomfortable with this phrase.He's a true Patriot
I wonder if it's just that with the short turnaround, they don't want to deal with all the stuff that would come with ramping up another QB - bringing a few guys in for tryouts, signing someone, spending extra time with him to get him ramped up, etc. They might just make do Thursday and then they'll have kind of a convenient pocket of time to kick the tires on a few vets and get someone in good shape if they do need an extra body for Buffalo.True, but there would be some benefit signing someone now if you think Jimmy wouldn't be able to play against Buffalo. But it seems like the Pats think he will be able to, even if it's emergency only.
The main risk they are taking is that Roger may already have placed a 7 figure bounty on Jacoby Brissett.True, but there would be some benefit signing someone now if you think Jimmy wouldn't be able to play against Buffalo. But it seems like the Pats think he will be able to, even if it's emergency only.
Imagine if the Bills get blown out by Arizona this week, are 0-3 heading into the Pats game, and Jimmy G returns. What is Rex offering as part of his bounty program to save his job?The main risk they are taking is that Roger may already have placed a 7 figure bounty on Jacoby Brissett.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/when-an-nfl-team-turned-to-a-running-back-to-play-quarterback-122413This may be the week that the NFL sees the return of the single wing offense.
That was the situation facing the Baltimore Colts in 1965, when injuries to starting quarterback Johnny Unitas and backup quarterback Gary Cuozzo forced halfback Tom Matte to take over under center with a trip to the NFL championship on the line.
Exactly. On a short week there isn't enough time.I wonder if it's just that with the short turnaround, they don't want to deal with all the stuff that would come with ramping up another QB - bringing a few guys in for tryouts, signing someone, spending extra time with him to get him ramped up, etc. They might just make do Thursday and then they'll have kind of a convenient pocket of time to kick the tires on a few vets and get someone in good shape if they do need an extra body for Buffalo.
QBs have someone to do that for them.No, not putting a lot of faith in this, but from ESPN's Ed Warder:
#Patriots still believe there's a chance Jimmy Garappolo can tolerate pain of AC joint sprain and start vs #Texans
Before getting our collective hopes up, Matt Chatham tweets:
@chatham58 I played w/ a sprained AC joint in 2000, hurt so bad I couldn't wipe. Can't even imagine throwing a ball. Guess it depends on the severity