2017 Patriots FA & Trades Thread

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Kinda shocked they would offer a 1st rounder on a position that is pretty stacked. They have needs on DL, LB, OL, TE, etc. Even with Dola possibly gone and Jules possibly in decline that first should be spent elsewhere. But hey, why question shit at this point.
Further, the #32 reportedly was only "part of the package."

We are at the stage now where nothing from anybody is worth any credence. Because even if you trust the reporter, he or she almost certainly is being played.

Yesterday's ridiculous story from Rap about Romo > Washington marked the beginning of silly season, outdone only by Jerry Jones assertion today that he might keep Romo as a backup.

From this point forward, the great majority of what's being reported will be bullshit.
 

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I mean, Belichick has had the benefit of seeing Cooks up close in these joint practices. If he's interested, then so am I. An offense with Gronk, Edelman, Cooks, Hogan, Mitchell, White, Lewis would terrorize defenses. And, more importantly, it would be deep enough to survive some injuries.
 

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I mean, Belichick has had the benefit of seeing Cooks up close in these joint practices. If he's interested, then so am I. An offense with Gronk, Edelman, Cooks, Hogan, Mitchell, White, Lewis would terrorize defenses. And, more importantly, it would be deep enough to survive some injuries.
It just seems like the reasons Cooks would be unhappy in New Orleans would be reasons the Pats wouldn't want him. Is he unhappy about targets? If so, that's not a Patriots-type mentality, even if they would expect to use him in an expanded role.

NM, saw RO already posted the RapSheet report about swapping picks. That makes more sense.
 

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Cooks is exactly the guy I want them targeting. I'd give up second round value for two seasons of Cooks at below market value.

If they're rebuilding, any chance Jimmy is on their radar? They could flip Brees to Denver or something.
 

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It just seems like the reasons Cooks would be unhappy in New Orleans would be reasons the Pats wouldn't want him. Is he unhappy about targets? If so, that's not a Patriots-type mentality, even if they would expect to use him in an expanded role.

NM, saw RO already posted the RapSheet report about swapping picks. That makes more sense.
A swap of what picks, though?
 

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First rounders only. Saints were smart to decline, but Bill is persistent.
Why would the Saints give up the player ... and the better first-rounder? I guess that's where the "package" part comes into play
 

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Why would the Saints give up the player ... and the better first-rounder? I guess that's where the "package" part comes into play
Yes, a swap of firsts and Bill's dick pics. But I've said too much, I don't want to gey my source in hot water.
 

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The Saints have the 10th pick in the 2nd round. Assuming BB really likes Cooks I could see the teams swapping those picks and then maybe the Pats throwing in a 5th rounder or something like that.
 

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The Saints have the 10th pick in the 2nd round. Assuming BB really likes Cooks I could see the teams swapping those picks and then maybe the Pats throwing in a 5th rounder or something like that.
Man, I don't know if the Saints gaining 10 spaces in the draft evens out with Cooks and a 5th rounder.
 

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If New Orleans is ready to move on from Brees and rebuild:

Jimmy/32/147 for Cooks/11. Saints trade Brees for Denver for 20 or Houston for 25.

I like that for New Orleans, but I'm not sure how keen BB is to potentially move Brees to an AFC contender. But the Pats sure get better.
 

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If New Orleans is ready to move on from Brees and rebuild:

Jimmy/32/147 for Cooks/11. Saints trade Brees for Denver for 20 or Houston for 25.

I like that for New Orleans, but I'm not sure how keen BB is to potentially move Brees to an AFC contender. But the Pats sure get better.
There's nothing that Pats can do to keep Romo from Broncos so chances are that they're going to see a decent upgrade at QB regardless. And Brees playing outside in Denver/New England weather doesn't really scare me that much.
 

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There's nothing that Pats can do to keep Romo from Broncos so chances are that they're going to see a decent upgrade at QB regardless. And Brees playing outside in Denver/New England weather doesn't really scare me that much.
Yeah, I don't think it would deter BB (though Brees certainly scares me more than Romo). The big issue with that type of trade is whether New Orleans is ready to move on from Brees. They really should imo, but selling a trade of a regional hero for a guy WHO HAS ONLY PLAYED 6 QUARTERS would be a PR challenge.
 

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Yeah, I don't think it would deter BB (though Brees certainly scares me more than Romo). The big issue with that type of trade is whether New Orleans is ready to move on from Brees. They really should imo, but selling a trade of a regional hero for a guy WHO HAS ONLY PLAYED 6 QUARTERS would be a PR challenge.
I don't know - maybe? We're on the fence here about keeping that guy who's played only 6 quarters due to anxiety over our regional hero QB who has just won the Super Bowl and runs faster now than he did as a rookie.
 

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ESPN did another of their roundups where they get beat reporters to answer the same question for each team. This one was "top free agent target," and Reiss's response was interesting:

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Wide receiver Robert Woods

The Patriots have several internal free agents to re-sign, but let's go with a player from another team for this one. In 2016, the Patriots signed Chris Hoganfrom Buffalo, and it soon became clear how catching passes from Tom Bradymaximized the potential of a player who had been relegated to third on the Bills' depth chart. The 6-foot, 190-pound Woods, who is one of the NFL's better route-runners at the position, falls into the same category. If he was coming from an offense that featured better quarterback play, he'd be rated much higher. -- Mike Reiss

Between this and the Cooks rumor, it sure seems as though NE is more concerned about the receiver corps than on the surface it seems they should be.
 
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Between this and the Cooks rumor, it sure seems as though NE is more concerned about the receiver corps than on the surface it seems they should be.
If Amendola is not a restructure, but rather a wholesale cut and Floyd has been deemed not a fit, that's a hole.
 

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If Amendola is not a restructure, but rather a wholesale cut and Floyd has been deemed not a fit, that's a hole.
Yeah, it's a hole ... but it's not the most pressing hole, one meriting trading their first-round pick or making a wideout their top FA target
 

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If Amendola is not a restructure, but rather a wholesale cut and Floyd has been deemed not a fit, that's a hole.
Let's assume they get Cooks/Woods and lose Amendola. Are they playing 4 WR typically? Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Cooks paired with Gronk? Paired with Lewis/White/RB? Why re-sign Develin if they are playing 4 WR consistently? Are they abandoning 2 TE sets?

Just seems like a lot of bodies that need to find playing time. Also a stacked offense that is very deep obviously as well.
 

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Let's assume they get Cooks/Woods and lose Amendola. Are they playing 4 WR typically? Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Cooks paired with Gronk? Paired with Lewis/White/RB? Why re-sign Develin if they are playing 4 WR consistently? Are they abandoning 2 TE sets?

Just seems like a lot of bodies that need to find playing time. Also a stacked offense that is very deep obviously as well.
With Gronk a question mark and Martellus a potential goner, wouldn't surprise me if we're seeing another evolution of the Patriots offense with more 3/4 WR sets.
 

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With Gronk a question mark and Martellus a potential goner, wouldn't surprise me if we're seeing another evolution of the Patriots offense with more 3/4 WR sets.
If teams defensively start moving toward a lighter, faster back 7, a flood of quicker receiving options is certainly one counter-approach
 

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With Gronk a question mark and Martellus a potential goner, wouldn't surprise me if we're seeing another evolution of the Patriots offense with more 3/4 WR sets.
Right. I guess that's my thinking. If they do give up a good pick for Cooks it could mean they are moving away from Gronk/TE as a focal point of the offense and using more 4 WR/5WR sets to counteract teams trying to defend against TEs now.
 

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Eh. I'm not sure I read that as trolling. I read it more as 'for those wondering if JG is going to be traded, factor in that if they do make a move for Cooks, they'd likely still want a first round pick. And JG and Brady are the only two players could likely move to get one back. So if they're dangling theirs, expect JG gone.' But maybe I'm reading too much into it/giving him too much credit.
 

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Eh. I'm not sure I read that as trolling. I read it more as 'for those wondering if JG is going to be traded, factor in that if they do make a move for Cooks, they'd likely still want a first round pick. And JG and Brady are the only two players could likely move to get one back. So if they're dangling theirs, expect JG gone.' But maybe I'm reading too much into it/giving him too much credit.
"Or Tom Brady." ???

PS ... I would expect that from Borges or the two clowns on Boston radio.

Curran not only knows better, but also may be the best football guy in the market. Or that's his rep, and IMO deservedly so.

I suppose it will be amusing when some other clown like x, y or z takes that throway line and runs with it nationally. Like Colin, for example.
 
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"Or Tom Brady." ???
Yeah I think you inadvertently confirm my point there. If you really wanted to troll, wouldn't you end that sentence with a question mark instead of a period?

Edit: if not my point, my take on it. We probably are just interpreting three words in two different fashions. I don't generally think of Curran as being a troll, so maybe I'm predisposed to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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If teams defensively start moving toward a lighter, faster back 7, a flood of quicker receiving options is certainly one counter-approach
If defense goes light wouldn't offense want to go heavy?
 

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Reiss's Sunday notes:

9. One of the key things Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio and his staff did at the NFL combine over the past few days was to gather as much intelligence as possible on where the financial market is headed at various positions. This is part of their annual standard operating procedure, which helps them assess player value when formulating their overall free-agent strategy, and is passed along as a public-service announcement to be careful at this point about reading too much into the Patriots “expressing interest” in any number of players or a specific position. More than anything, Caserio & Co. have been gauging the ever-evolving marketplace so they can make what they feel are the most informed decisions.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4801481/stephen-gostkowski-balanced-trying-year-with-most-rewarding-end-result
 

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Nickell Robey-Coleman cut by Buffalo. He allowed a passer rating of 74.86 in the slot; 2nd best for slot CBs just behind Chris Harris Jr.

Seeing a few Pats writers saying this could be a good fit for the Pats if Logan Ryan is indeed gone.
 

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Nickell Robey-Coleman cut by Buffalo. He allowed a passer rating of 74.86 in the slot; 2nd best for slot CBs just behind Chris Harris Jr.

Seeing a few Pats writers saying this could be a good fit for the Pats if Logan Ryan is indeed gone.
I believe he was benched in November after getting beat deep in a few games.