If the Adam Jones thing didn't happen this season, are we really debating whether this is a race thing?
So is Eck racist? Are people like me racist for being disappointed in his behaviors and performance?.You can't discuss how a Boston media and fanship pillories a star athlete of color — again, one of the very best pitchers in baseball — without including an analysis of race.
I've read that Price's main problem is command of the fastball. Do you agree? If not, what is his main problem. I too want him to succeed. We can win ALCS but need either Price or Porcello or both to compliment the Cy Young Year of Chris SaleLast two starts have been solid and here's something that portends well for the future.
Average fastball velocity by start:
5/29: 94.3
6/3: 93.3
6/8: 94.6
6/13: 93.3
6/18: 93.6
6/24: 95.1
6/29: 95.2
In here and in other threads, the breakdown of Price's mechanics have been discussed at length. I still see him doing the same things - lower leg kick, leading to a trailing arm, leading to... pitches up in the zone. Price isn't missing wildly or erratically, he's missing high, and sometimes inside to lefties/outside to righties. This leads to flatter breaking pitches and juicy fastballs (and slower ones, but the recent uptick in velocity is a good sign). I won't go into it at length, but Price has never kept the same motion in an entire season (or so), and that's led to our current situation: he can keep the ball over the plate, just too high over the plate.I've read that Price's main problem is command of the fastball. Do you agree? If not, what is his main problem. I too want him to succeed. We can win ALCS but need either Price or Porcello or both to compliment the Cy Young Year of Chris Sale
Maybe Manfred Balls Syndrome (aka Stromans Blister Theory). Farrell said he is fine though, not that this means much.So... what was with the apparent finger injury? Any reason to be concerned? Threw a lot of pitches today, but Price dominated. Loved how the change-ups to Odor.
Better than Farrell saying he's not fine.Farrell said he is fine though, not that this means much.
Please educate us all on your reason to mention the word "alcoholic" when describing Eck. And an open invitation to anyone here to educate us all on the ACTUAL exchange between Price and Eck.Yes, please educate me on the history of the oppression of white men who drink alcohol in the U.S.
You should probably read Abs' post 6 above yoursPlease educate us all on your reason to mention the word "alcoholic" when describing Eck. And an open invitation to anyone here to educate us all on the ACTUAL exchange between Price and Eck.
Consistency is a big key. At least last night was a nice turnaround. Interesting to see how he fares against Tampa right before All-Star break as I believe he's in line for that start.In here and in other threads, the breakdown of Price's mechanics have been discussed at length. I still see him doing the same things - lower leg kick, leading to a trailing arm, leading to... pitches up in the zone. Price isn't missing wildly or erratically, he's missing high, and sometimes inside to lefties/outside to righties. This leads to flatter breaking pitches and juicy fastballs (and slower ones, but the recent uptick in velocity is a good sign). I won't go into it at length, but Price has never kept the same motion in an entire season (or so), and that's led to our current situation: he can keep the ball over the plate, just too high over the plate.
That's my .02. I'm not Carl Willis but I kinda wish I were.
Stop.But if you're feigning a grievance to shut down talk about systemic racial bias as a reason why this passionate, competitive, HOF-caliber pitcher is getting run out of Boston, then you're an idiot, and I invite you to be my piss.
Since 1975, there have been only 25 pitchers with more WAR before their age-30 season. Price has more than Pettitte, Halladay, and Glavine. And his first full season didn't happen until age 24.David Price is not a HoF caliber pitcher. He is a good pitcher who had some great years, but still pretty far away from Hall of Fame worthy. I don't think he will age all that well considering how much he relies on his fastball.
I really liked his release point and his leg work - he was consistent, he was able to come down on the ball and get to a consistent release point. This was the pitcher we paid for. Just check out the difference in release point from his previous start to this one:Consistency is a big key. At least last night was a nice turnaround. Interesting to see how he fares against Tampa right before All-Star break as I believe he's in line for that start.
Because all of his attributes have to now be balanced against a $31 million salary and worrisome elbow within a ~$200 million self-imposed payroll target. There are opportunity costs to having a #2 starter taking up between 1/6th and 1/7th of your self-imposed luxury-tax eligible salary budget Such as, trading 4 prospects to get a cost-controlled ace to fill the role you thought you were getting with your previous $217 million investment.Since 1975, there have been only 25 pitchers with more WAR before their age-30 season. Price has more than Pettitte, Halladay, and Glavine. And his first full season didn't happen until age 24.
Only 10 pitchers have had a better age 24-29 stretch than David Price since 1975 (30.5 WAR).
I don't care about the actual Hall of Fame. How could you not want David Price on your team?
Because all of his attributes have to now be balanced against a $31 million salary and worrisome elbow within a ~$200 million self-imposed payroll target. There are opportunity costs to having a #2 starter taking up between 1/6th and 1/7th of your self-imposed luxury-tax eligible salary budget Such as, trading 4 prospects to get a cost-controlled ace to fill the role you thought you were getting with your previous $217 million investment.
So is Eck racist? Are people like me racist for being disappointed in his behaviors and performance?
You and I disagree on burden of proof. Racism is one of the ugliest things in our society. I think you should have decent evidence that racism is at play when you toss the word around.
Incidentally, Price is not "one of the very best pitchers in baseball" - I think he'd get away with some of this media nonsense if he were.
You think the Ortiz beef from four years ago, one World Series ago, one Ortiz retirement ago, has anything to do with the fans animosity towards Price?I think much of the fan base's animus towards Price has been fueled by memory of his behavior towards Ortiz in the 2013 playoffs. Sure, Ortiz "made up" with him last year, but what else was he supposed to do? Many fans have not been as forgiving, especially given performance that did not meet lofty expectations, including laying another egg in the playoffs. Would some fans have been more forgiving if he where white? Probably.
The 2013 playoff drama and his exchanges with the media here have suggested that Price is a bit "touchy," but on the other hand he has high standards for himself, works hard, has been publicly accountable for his performance, and seems to be a loyal and well-respected teammate. And over the past year he has been an excellent pitcher.
Fwiw,, he said he felt fine. Averaged 95.1. is that down from the nyy game?Fastball velocity was down in last night's start. Hopefully just a blip.
Of course it does. It's not the whole thing by any stretch but at the very least it set the stage.You think the Ortiz beef from four years ago, one World Series ago, one Ortiz retirement ago, has anything to do with the fans animosity towards Price?
I just don't buy it. He would have to be massively unhappy here to give up millions of dollars when he knows he won't get as much in a new contract. I suppose he could just be delusional about what he'd get but that's what he has advisers for.When's his opt out, end of 2018? Small chance, but have we seen the last of the lesser DP.
If he misses all of this season and a lot of next season, I doubt he opts out. His guaranteed payout from the Red Sox is still crazy high.When's his opt out, end of 2018? Small chance, but have we seen the last of the lesser DP.
My guess is that he can drop off quite a bit and still get close to 30 per. Even a 3-4 WAR pitcher is worth around 30 mill in this market, but they aren't getting paid like that yet. I think he'd leave a a few million per year on the table, but definitely not if he has TJ.I just don't buy it. He would have to be massively unhappy here to give up millions of dollars when he knows he won't get as much in a new contract. I suppose he could just be delusional about what he'd get but that's what he has advisers for.
Lackey's got an ERA+ of 85 this year. While I think it's too bad the way it all played out, let's not go exaggerating things.While Price was getting his MRI, elsewhere in the country Jon "Old Man" Lester pitched 7 innings, giving up two runs.
To me that will always be the biggest Red Sox organizational gaffe this century.
(just a correction) Lester is the subject -- he has been pretty good, not great, but he's healthy.Lackey's got an ERA+ of 85 this year. While I think it's too bad the way it all played out, let's not go exaggerating things.
The elbow injury that kept Boston Red Sox left-hander David Price off the Opening Day roster has returned, and he has been placed on the 10-day disabled list, the team announced Friday.
Sources told ESPN's Buster Olney that Price underwent an MRI on his pitching elbow Thursday. Price is experiencing similar tightness in his elbow to what he felt in spring training, a source told ESPN's Scott Lauber. It is unclear when the symptoms resurfaced.
Price's DL move is retroactive to Tuesday.
For now.10-day DL according to Olney