How is Ward ahead of either of them? Isnt Moss maybe the best wideout ever?Tough class; I’d probably go Lewis, Law, Hutchinson, Faneca, Owens and Moss if I were to just pick a top seven. I’m afraid we might live in a world where Hines Ward goes in ahead of Moss and Owens.
Mawae dude, cmon.Tough class; I’d probably go Lewis, Law, Hutchinson, Faneca, Owens and Moss if I were to just pick a top seven. I’m afraid we might live in a world where Hines Ward goes in ahead of Moss and Owens.
I’m just saying Moss and Owens were bypassed last year and they are arguably better than any WR in the Hall of Fame except Rice; plus Ward is the kind of guy old sportswriters love to overrate.How is Ward ahead of either of them? Isnt Moss maybe the best wideout ever?
I actually meant to put Mawae down and originally thought your post was calling me out for including him; so I just spent a few minutes building a case for him, and then realizing I left him off the list. I’d have him over Faneca, Law and maybe Hutchinson. He might be the best Center ever.Mawae dude, cmon.
Yea I wasnt disagreeing, just shocked they didnt get in first ballot.I’m just saying Moss and Owens were bypassed last year and they are arguably better than any WR in the Hall of Fame except Rice; plus Ward is the kind of guy old sportswriters love to overrate.
I actually meant to put Mawae down and originally thought your post was calling me out for including him; so I just spent a few minutes building a case for him, and then realizing I left him off the list. I’d have him over Faneca, Law and maybe Hutchinson. He might be the best Center ever.
And Bruce. He was also better than Ward. If not for Moss and Owens, Bruce would be on my ballot. How does a guy with 15k receiving yards not make the Hall eventually?I’m afraid we might live in a world where Hines Ward goes in ahead of Moss and Owens.
Comparing safeties quantitatively is pretty hard, but Dawkins had 140 career AV to Harrison’s 92. It’s tough to see how Harrison was definitively better.My only issue with putting Dawkins in this year is that Rodney isn't in. If Dawkins deserves to be in, so does Rodney.
Not saying Rodney was better, but feel he should also get in pretty easily. His counting starts are pretty impressive and he was a key player on 2 SB teams.Comparing safeties quantitatively is pretty hard, but Dawkins had 140 career AV to Harrison’s 92. It’s tough to see how Harrison was definitively better.
How is Ward ahead of either of them? Isnt Moss maybe the best wideout ever?
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/22/pro-football-hall-fame-2018-voting-nfl-randy-moss-ray-lewis-peter-king-mmqbRay Lewis and Randy Moss look like locks for election in 2018. There are no others. Lewis is easy. Some of you will say, Why is Moss a lock and Terrell Owens behind him? I’ll give you my thought—and keep in mind I’m just one voter of the 48 on the Hall panel. Randy Moss is the most consistently electric downfield threat in this wideout-dominating era of pro football. He’ll rightfully get dinged for occasionally dogging it, which is indefensible. But his talent over 14 seasons, and his 166 receiving TDs (regular season and playoffs), are undeniable. His 23-TD season with Tom Brady in 2007 may be the greatest season a wide receiver ever had. I have voted for Owens in the past, and will likely vote for him on the cut from 15 to 10. I think he belongs in the Hall, despite his disruptive team traits. I just like Moss more.
The bolded is an over-simplification. Rice had better volume numbers because of his long career, but also because he put up better numbers at his peak. He led the league in receiving yards six times - Moss never did. He led the league in touchdowns six times to Moss' five. Moss famously broke Rice's record with 23 touchdowns in a season, but Rice put up his 22 mark in only 12 games. Rice was more dominant statistically at his peak even before you consider playing most of his career in a less pass-happy era, effort / off-field issues, or his blocking.I have a soft spot for Randy Moss since his Viking days, so watching that 2007 NFL Draft and seeing the Patriots trade a 4th rounder for Moss was almost a sports-life changing moment.
Randy Moss in my opinion is the greatest WR in NFL history. Sure, Jerry Rice had better volume numbers due to his long career - but that physical talent that Moss had was ridiculous. I think now a days with analytics and play calling you honestly don't see QBs just throw the ball up consistently to a WR and hope for the best. Maybe Stafford to Calvin Johnson. But Moss almost always came down with those balls. His speed, height, ability to jump at the peak and strong hands made watching him a joy as a football fan.
I always get sad knowing that Randy Moss and Junior Seau went to the Patriots and never won a ring in their career. They deserved it.
As much as I loved Randy both before he became a Patriot and then (obviously) during his years here, I can't agree with that take. Randy Moss may have been more physically talented than Rice, I don't think there is another receiver who had his combination of hands, speed and height. But Rice was an absolute clinician in terms of running routes, and his work ethic is beyond legendary. Rice would have been the perfect receiver to compliment Brady in BB's system, because he's the ultimate "do your job" receiver who ever lived, who also happened to have elite speed, hands and durability.
Moss was more of a "throw it up and I'll get it'' player, which worked incredibly in New England for a couple of years, but it is telling that as soon as Gronk and Hernandez arrived BB recognized that the team would be better off without Moss and traded him. Moss was also an enigmatic guy who spent not-insignificant chunks of his prime not really giving a shit, which, as much as I love him, has to count against him in a head-to-head comparison.
Still think Moss is the 2nd greatest modern era WR ever, but Rice is in a category all to himself.
I thought it was Owens who was bypassed last year; isn't this the first year Moss is eligible?I’m just saying Moss and Owens were bypassed last year and they are arguably better than any WR in the Hall of Fame except Rice; plus Ward is the kind of guy old sportswriters love to overrate.
Ray Lewis, LB - 1996-2012 Baltimore Ravens
Brian Urlacher, LB - 2000-2012 Chicago Bears
Edgerrin James, RB - 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals, 2009 Seattle Seahawks
Randy Moss, WR - 1998-2004, 2010 Minnesota Vikings, 2005-06 Oakland Raiders, 2007-2010 New England Patriots, 2010 Tennessee Titans, 2012 San Francisco 49ers
Terrell Owens, WR - 1996-2003 San Francisco 49ers, 2004-05 Philadelphia Eagles, 2006-08 Dallas Cowboys, 2009 Buffalo Bills, 2010 Cincinnati Bengals
Isaac Bruce, WR - 1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ers
John Lynch, FS - 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Brian Dawkins, S - 1996-2008 Philadelphia Eagles, 2009-2011 Denver Broncos
Everson Walls, CB - 1981-89 Dallas Cowboys, 1990-92 New York Giants, 1992-93 Cleveland Browns
Ty Law, CB - 1995-2004 New England Patriots, 2005, 2008 New York Jets, 2006-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2009 Denver Broncos
Tony Boselli, T - 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans (injured reserve)
Kevin Mawae, C/G - 1994-97 Seattle Seahawks, 1998-2005 New York Jets, 2006-09 Tennessee Titans
Joe Jacoby, T - 1981-1993 Washington Redskins
Steve Hutchinson, G - 2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings, 2012 Tennessee Titans
Alan Faneca, G - 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals
I think it is 5 modern candidates and 2 senior candidates.It's really a ridiculously gifted list. What is the limit on how many they could vote for?
5.It's really a ridiculously gifted list. What is the limit on how many they could vote for?
I fully agree with your list of 5 and next 2 out.5.
My five: Lewis, Moss, Faneca, Hutchinson, Owens. Next two out: Urlacher, Dawkins. The top seven are all no-doubters who should be in eventually. Then there's a whole bunch of borderline guys with interesting cases who could get in in the right year (James, Bruce, Law, Boselli, Lynch, Mawae). But this is not that year.
The backlog is the result of the committee screwing up the previous years. Owens, Faneca, and Dawkins should all have been first-year guys. Instead they've voted in a bunch of marginal cases the last few years (Andre Reed, Jerome Bettis, Morten Anderson).
Next year adds Tony Gonzalez, Ed Reed, and Champ Bailey, who should all go in on the first ballot.