Care to be a little more specific for those of us who didn't see all 4 hours and 27 minutes of the game?More inexcusable base running in tonight’s game.
Care to be a little more specific for those of us who didn't see all 4 hours and 27 minutes of the game?More inexcusable base running in tonight’s game.
Devers was thrown out at 3rd trying to advance on a comebacker to the pitcher. Pretty bad decision.Care to be a little more specific for those of us who didn't see all 4 hours and 27 minutes of the game?
Thank you. I didn't see that. I saw Bradley thrown out at home, but it was by an inch and was a great play by the catcher.Devers was thrown out at 3rd trying to advance on a comebacker to the pitcher. Pretty bad decision.
Very nice.Justin Bour thrown out at the plate.
If you have no range, you better have good hands.Zero errors so far....
Nunez is brutal. No range and shaky hands. One forgets how solid Pedey has been for a real long time.I thought that JD's misplay in right field could have been ruled an error allowing the Marlins runner to score from first but then again I'm a strict scorer. To clarify , he made a decent dive in an attempt to catch the ball, but he sort of fumbled the ball as he picked it up. I thought it JDM picks it cleanly the runner is held up at third. Nunez has shown a lack of range at second but overall the Sox defense has been pretty good so far.
The play where he had a chance at a double play but elected to tag the runner and throw to first instead of flipping to Xander was incredibly infuriating. We were fortunate that this didn't end up ultimately costing the team the win. Maybe it's because he plays all over the field, but going to second was a no-brainer, IMO.Nunez is brutal. No range and shaky hands. One forgets how solid Pedey has been for a real long time.
His throw to first, after taking time to chase down the runner, pulled Hanley off the bag. If he pivots quickly and under hands it to the short stop, allowing for a better throw, I think there's at least a 50% chance he turns it. My guess is as good as yours, however. Maybe it wasn't as close I recall when watching in real time.I, for one, don't see a double play on that sequence. Re-watch. Would a backwards shuffle to 2nd have allowed a throw to 1st in time? It was an awkward situation with the runner bearing down on the fielder.
Still, only a passable 2nd (temporary) baseman.
I agree. The ball wasn’t hard hit, so no time to throw to X for the conventional DP. The runner was close enough for Nunez to try the tag and throw to first style of DP. I don’t know if Pedey could have pulled it off either.I, for one, don't see a double play on that sequence. Re-watch. Would a backwards shuffle to 2nd have allowed a throw to 1st in time? It was an awkward situation with the runner bearing down on the fielder.
Still, only a passable 2nd (temporary) baseman.
Here's an example from the same game of how to do it better:His throw to first, after taking time to chase down the runner, pulled Hanley off the bag. If he pivots quickly and under hands it to the short stop, allowing for a better throw, I think there's at least a 50% chance he turns it. My guess is as good as yours, however. Maybe it wasn't as close I recall when watching in real time.
I suspect JDM expects to come out of every close game for defense, and was surprised Sunday. (Not that I expect him to volunteer).I'd say it was refreshing, but I can't imagine Martinez enjoyed Cora's candor.
Ya same. Just surprised Cora would say it to the media.I suspect JDM expects to come out of every close game for defense, and was surprised Sunday. (Not that I expect him to volunteer).
I'd be surprised if he had volunteered it, but from context I'm assuming he was asked about it, and if so then I'm neither surprised nor bothered that he answered honestly.Ya same. Just surprised Cora would say it to the media.
I love the candor! Cora is quickly becoming one of my favorite Red Sox managers. That said, the bar isn't high since my childhood. Cora's up there with Francona and Morgan as the only three I've liked.
Well, even they probably realized Austin had it coming. I wont give them too much credit because i keep asking why they were grabbing Kelly without any Red Sox player involved , allowing Austin to throw a sucker punch that clocked our coach.Tyler Austin is an idiot if he doesn't expect a fastball in the ribs after sliding late with spikes up. Judge and Stanton both come away looking rather classy for trying to keep people from getting hurt.
This isn't football, so it shouldn't remind you of football.Getting back to Cora, I know this was discussed somewhat in last night's game thread, but I think his decision to rest guys on a schedule made up well in advance is ill advised. It reminds me of a football coach running the first 15 plays off a call sheet, regardless of how the game is unfolding early.
In any event, so far I have wondered about:
- giving guys days off during the first week of the season when they were already going to rest on Monday and Friday days with no games; and even more so,
- Sitting Benintendi last night after his best offensive game of the season and after he had been somewhat cold at the plate before that.
Now the Sox scored 7 runs in last night's game so sitting AB was clearly not why they lost. But it does seem sort of unthinking to not take into account other factors when sitting a player. I am definitely in favor of getting guys rest and avoiding having run down players at the end of the season. And I hated the Francona/Farrell "Sunday JV line-ups" that we sometimes saw, so I do appreciate spreading days off out as opposed to concentrating them on one day of the week. But I think that, in the end, Cora needs to pick his head up off the preset list and consider emerging factors. I also wonder about sitting guys against the Yankees, Astros and other more difficult opponents.
Edit: Or what Sampo posted before I pressed post, and with the art of brevity.....
The only player that got PT was Moreland. He went 1-3 with a walk and made a nice defensive play at 1B; JDM hit a GS and caught (not with style, but caught) the two balls hit his way; Hanley as DH (which also *has* to happen once in awhile so he can play a full season) also had a good game.Cora needs to field his best team against the Yankees. Save the resting players or trying to get unproductive players some playing time against lesser teams.
What a ridiculous take. In every way possible.This isn't football, so it shouldn't remind you of football.
The fact that you're complaining about this after a loss -- a loss you concede was not attributable to the lineup move that you're concerned about), and not when Cora said he was going to do exactly this (which he said several times in spring training and again after the season started) suggests that you're upset over a loss. Get used to it. They're probably going to lose at least another 60 times.
You don't think Benintendi should have had his first game off last night. When should he get a game off?- Sitting Benintendi last night after his best offensive game of the season and after he had been somewhat cold at the plate before that.
No, I do not think he should have sat immediately after his performance on Tuesday night. After a slow start to the season, I would want to give him the chance to build on his success. As to when he should sit, I think it depends on who the opponent is, how AB is feeling and the pitching match-up. I also like the idea of giving him an off day next to a day when there is no game. Now if Andrew told Cora he was hurting or sore, that would be different, and perhaps just that happened. But back to your second question, I don't have a specific day in mind and agree that not too much time should pass before it does. I just don't like the idea of sticking a pin in the calendar and not taking into account other factors, which seemingly (but might not have) happened.You don't think Benintendi should have had his first game off last night. When should he get a game off?
This is what we always think, and it seems to make sense intuitively, but I wonder whether it really matters for the players. I mean he's not going to start today and have forgotten what he did on Tuesday and perhaps what helped him get there. I'm just saying the idea of keeping the hot hand going may be something for the fans more than the players. Not sure if its possible to mine data for something like that.No, I do not think he should have sat immediately after his performance on Tuesday night. After a slow start to the season, I would want to give him the chance to build on his success. As to when he should sit, I think it depends on who the opponent is, how AB is feeling and the pitching match-up. I also like the idea of giving him an off day next to a day when there is no game. Now if Andrew told Cora he was hurting or sore, that would be different, and perhaps just that happened. But back to your second question, I don't have a specific day in mind and agree that not too much time should pass before it does. I just don't like the idea of sticking a pin in the calendar and not taking into account other factors, which seemingly (but might not have) happened.
Ok. so you dont like something that may not have happened. Fair enough. The Sox dont have any off days scheduled until April 23.No, I do not think he should have sat immediately after his performance on Tuesday night. After a slow start to the season, I would want to give him the chance to build on his success. As to when he should sit, I think it depends on who the opponent is, how AB is feeling and the pitching match-up. I also like the idea of giving him an off day next to a day when there is no game. Now if Andrew told Cora he was hurting or sore, that would be different, and perhaps just that happened. But back to your second question, I don't have a specific day in mind and agree that not too much time should pass before it does. I just don't like the idea of sticking a pin in the calendar and not taking into account other factors, which seemingly (but might not have) happened.
I dont like the idea of Wally the Green Monster coming to my house and crawling into bed with me. But that didn't happen either. Mookie didn't start the day after his 2nd straight 2 hit game and 1st homer.I just don't like the idea of sticking a pin in the calendar
Please don't include me in that "we." I love the idea of giving the player a heads up regarding rest. I just don't like the idea of taking one of the better hitters out of the line-up against one of the better teams, especially with them already shorthanded with Boegarts out. I also think that even with mapping things out in advance, that Cora could (and I bet will in the future) give himself more leeway to call an audible when a guy is coming off a game like AB had on Tuesday night.Players used to complain when they found out they weren't in the lineup at the last minute, and we would rightfully criticize the manager for not communicating with the player in that case. Now Cora does the opposite, and we complain about him giving the player plenty of notice that he will not be playing.
Had the Yankees series lined up such that the Sox would have had their 4th and 5th starter scheduled to start the series, it is doubtful that Cora, or any manager, would juggle his rotation to have Sale open the April series (turned out that Sale was scheduled to start Game 1 anyway, but that was just the way it worked out). Sitting Benintendi is not really any different. The marathon nature of the regular season means that some days there will be a suboptimal lineup; there's really nothing that can be done about it.
So the manager should have changed the plan he set up Monday (or Sunday night "before the series"), because of the way Benintendi played Tuesday? Your assumption that he gives himself "no leeway" or "discretion to undo a decision" is a baseless figment of your imagination.Please don't include me in that "we." I love the idea of giving the player a heads up regarding rest. I just don't like the idea of taking one of the better hitters out of the line-up against one of the better teams, especially with them already shorthanded with Boegarts out. I also think that even with mapping things out in advance, that Cora could (and I bet will in the future) give himself more leeway to call an audible when a guy is coming off a game like AB had on Tuesday night.
The first part is dead on.. As for the bolded, sternly worded talk radio nitpicking often does the trick. Mangers listen to that stuff.Sitting Benintendi is not really any different. The marathon nature of the regular season means that some days there will be a suboptimal lineup; there's really nothing that can be done about it.
Yes, I would have preferred that Cora considered Benintendi’s performance in game 1 of this series and as a result of it, changed course in game 2.So the manager should have changed the plan he set up Monday (or Sunday night "before the series"), because of the way Benintendi played Tuesday? Your assumption that he gives himself "no leeway" or "discretion to undo a decision" is a baseless figment of your imagination.
Regardless, I'm sure you have your "that day off really messed Benintendi up just as he was getting hot" post all ready to go if he pops up in the 1st inning.
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It's what he always does. He never seems to be happy with anyone and is always patronizing.Yes, I would have preferred that Cora considered Benintendi’s performance in game 1 of this series and as a result of it, changed course in game 2.
As to the amount of leeway Cora now gives himself, I don’t think my assumption is baseless. He seems to be, for now, committed to sticking with his plan. Not that either of us really knows. And not that sticking with the plan doesn’t have its benefits.
As to your last and latest foolish dig, you are again spectacularly wrong. The notion that I would react to one at bat and try to connect the dots in such a linear fashion is laughable.
Is this a huge, honking issue? Of course not. But we disagree, so I guess that means it’s time for you to unfurl the snark. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Or, some Billy Martin types. Sox could have had Puig, but lord knows what that guy would do in a brawl. We’re fine.We need some bigger players. We really are overmatched in any brawl with the Yankees, which answers my first question above
Don't know what he said? Get bent.“I don’t know what was said, but Cora was waving Nevin away like, ‘you’re not on my level.’
Shocker.The former player, who admittedly has some old Yankee bias, agreed.
“That’s chicken-(bleep) stuff. Don’t play that game, like you’re trying to lull the kid into thinking everything is OK, and then you ambush him. That doesn’t sit well with guys.”
So it's cool for the mighty Yankees to pick their spot? Morons.“That’s one of those where you might decide to pick your spot,” the former manager said. “They’re behind in the standings, they need to win the series. You’re not going to risk losing your starter (Sonny Gray) early in the game by drilling somebody.
“You might wait until you’re on more even footing, maybe wait until they come to New York. But you never know, maybe Boone wants to set a tone as a new manager and take care of it right away.
Excellent point - Cora hasn't won a World Series in almost 200 days.Anonymous coaches are angry at Cora
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/alex-cora-stung-yankees-joe-kelly-fastball-article-1.3930076