Vigneault is taking this Canucks parody thing a little too far. He has played the part well though.
You're right, but to the casual fan like me, the captain of the team should be right in the middle of anything backing his teammates up. He came across as a giant sissy to me.I think Sedin actually did the right thing. He's not a fighter, and the altercation had nothing to do with him.
And if he jumped on top of the pile the reaction would have been even worse. No love for the Sedins from me, but you don't want your non-fighters engaging in stuff like that unless it is absolutely necessary.You're right, but to the casual fan like me, the captain of the team should be right in the middle of anything backing his teammates up. He came across as a giant sissy to me.
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/2012/01/chiarelli_rises.htmlChiarelli is pretty fired up over Vigneault's comments...(Sorry, no link, posting via phone).
"The lobbying, propaganda in advance of the hearing is distasteful"
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#Bruins Julien on VAN comments: "Sometimes you've got to look in your backyard."
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https://twitter.com/...421970802647041Julien on Canucks mindset: "I guess we're stupid. We're idiots. Theyre so much more intelligent than everybody else. Thats the way they act"
https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNJoeyMac/status/156426174371872768Julien when asked if the Bruins need to change style of play: "We’re Stanley Cup champions, so I don’t see why we should change.”
Honestly reminds me of Jets - Pats at this point.Awesome. All hail Clode.
The B's never get ticked like this. I don't ever remember there being this much bad blood between 2 teams. Front office, coaches, players. They all hate each other.
Julien: "We're stupid. We're idiots. They're the smartest team in the league."
That was exactly my thought as well. Fitting the litigation just ended in the last week.Edit: and AV's comment about Marchand "getting it" immediately reminded me of Marc Crawford and the Bertuzzi situation. I wonder which team Bertuzzi was on when that happened? Hmmmmm.
Vancouver is exactly the type of team that can give the Bruins a good game.I really don't want to see this team in the Finals again. Why? Because the Bruins fell for their bullshit.
The Bruins are the champions and have been steamrolling everyone. 5-on-5 there's no team that can match them. It was clear from the opening whistle that the Canucks were trying to get under their skin and get them to become emotional and make mistakes, because they weren't going to beat them even-up (especially on the road). And they took advantage of the power plays to get the lead, and eventually the win. I don't care if it's payback; Marchand needs to be smarter than that.
I'd hope if they had a finals rematch that Claude would be able to get the team to focus, ignore (most of) the extracurriculars and play their game. If they do that they are really tough to beat. But he and the team failed to do that yesterday. That's fine because it's just one game, no one got hurt and even if Marchand is suspended they can handle his loss. But if the Finals were played like that (and refereed like that) it really hurts our chances.
butbutbut....on Saturday, the B's absolutely smoked Vancouver 5-on-5.Vancouver is exactly the type of team that can give the Bruins a good game.
As much as the Bruins have been steamrolling everyone, they haven't faced too many good 5-on-5 teams. Vancouver is one of the elite 5-on-5 teams in the league and match up very well with what the Bruins are trying to do. It really didn't surprise me that they lost this game, it was a 50/50 toss up going into it.
Awesome. All hail Clode.
The B's never get ticked like this. I don't ever remember there being this much bad blood between 2 teams. Front office, coaches, players. They all hate each other.
To hell with travel, with realignment scrapped, get these 2 teams playing 6 times a year.
My thought when I saw the initial post, too. Did Van score 5 on 5?butbutbut....on Saturday, the B's absolutely smoked Vancouver 5-on-5.
Couldn't have said it better.According to Haggs, today was probably the most fired up he's ever see Clode. I love it.
Worth noting that if VAN beats FLA tonight, Vigneault will be on the other bench opposite Julien for the All-Star Game in Ottawa ^BISH
If only this were professional wrestling. The next time they play, just before the puck was dropped the refs would all stand up, look at each other and slowly nod then look at Claude and they all slowly nod at each other then all of them look up at Cam and Chia and they all slowly nod at each other then someone calls Toronto and they slowly nod at each other through the phone. Refs skate off the ice and as the Canucks players and coaches look around in confusion, we briefly see all 20 of the Bruins drop their gloves and sticks before the lights go out and all the video/audio feeds in the arena are cut and the tapes forever lost.PS - Vigneault should be suspended for those comments. We all know what he's doing and what happened last time. If there's one thing the NHL has to be afraid of at this point, it's another Bertuzzi incident, especially with the Enforcer Deaths of 2011. Fuck him.
If they play again, I could honestly see Clode jumping over the bench and attacking him.
There are only a handful of better 5-on-5 teams in the league. They are in the top five to seven 5-on-5 teams in the league.My thought when I saw the initial post, too. Did Van score 5 on 5?
Van's an elite team when they have a lot of ice to operate in. 5 on 5, there are better teams, and the Bs are one of them.
Or that all of the B's goals were 5on5?There are only a handful of better 5-on-5 teams in the league. They are in the top five to seven 5-on-5 teams in the league.
My point wasn't about the game Saturday as much as about the general matchup. Vancouver has enough 5-on-5 talent to compliment it's special teams that they match up fairly well with the Bruins, it's not surprising that they would beat them and given another 7 game series, I'd put Vancouver winning at about 40-45%. They are very evenly matched teams.
It's not about Vancouver scoring 5-on-5, it's about Vancouver being able to keep the game competetive while 5-on-5 to give their special teams an opportunity. The Bruins will beat any team 5-on-5 at this point, that's ther M.O., but teams that are able to counter with a good 5-on-5 gameplan and a strong special teams will give the Bruins some trouble.
So, really, the fact that Vancouver didn't score 5-on-5 is irrelevant.
Devils fan here. I hope the Canucks team bus explodes the next time they ride it. I have never seen a dirtier, cheaper, more dislikeable team. Fuck them.I know you won't agree, but I think it is whichever team you back, the other is the one you think is dirty.
I know you won't agree, but I think it is whichever team you back, the other is the one you think is dirty.
As a 'Hawks fan, I think very highly of themDevils fan here. I hope the Canucks team bus explodes the next time they ride it. I have never seen a dirtier, cheaper, more dislikeable team. Fuck them.
That was my point.Vigneault obviously is. Don't be dense.
I smell another awesome simulcast in which the other radio guys duck out early after Felger's verbal assault.Felger: "The Canucks are the Canadians only they speak English instead of French."
I won't scream blasphemy on this point, but I also don't agree with it. I think the Bruins can absolutely match the Canucks in a finesse game. Vancouver is basically one line deep, and if you avoid penalties and match up Chara + the Bergeron line, they can effectively shut down the Sedin line. You saw in Game 7 where the refs put the whistles away, that the Bruins just outdefended and outclassed Vancouver on the ice without "gooning" it up....to be honest they can't play an up-and-down pure finesse game with Vancouver; they'd lose, unless Luongo went all Peyton Manning Face and started giving up softies again. That's no slight to Boston, few teams can match the Canucks playing that style.
Well except for the coach of course.Felger: "The Canucks are the Canadians only they speak English instead of French."
In other words, copy the Detroit model for the most part. At least make that the ideal they strive towards. I think they would be very successful doing that, and having their leaders be tough yet skilled and clean players like Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg and hard hitters like Kronwall. It'd be interesting to see them at least try to move toward that.or dump some of their ratty guys and play it clean, skip the agitation strategy, and reap the benefits when a physical team takes the inevitable penalties.
Maybe. The strength of the Bruins is they've got unbelievable depth, they can roll 4 lines and really wear down a team especially over a long series. I really felt like not having Kesler hurt Vancouver badly, because they are somewhat a 1-line team when he's not there. I don't necessarily think the B's need to goon it up to beat a finesse team, but they do need to play a physical game, forecheck, put pressure on the D (Canucks were down a D-man or 2 as I recall...Erhoff?) I'm not saying they'd definitely lose if they didn't play physical at all, but it's one of their strengths and they'd be foolish to just not hit. I don't think they need to go the intimidation route, though it certainly helps them when they play clubs like the Nucks and Habs.I won't scream blasphemy on this point, but I also don't agree with it. I think the Bruins can absolutely match the Canucks in a finesse game. Vancouver is basically one line deep, and if you avoid penalties and match up Chara + the Bergeron line, they can effectively shut down the Sedin line. You saw in Game 7 where the refs put the whistles away, that the Bruins just outdefended and outclassed Vancouver on the ice without "gooning" it up.
This is exactly what I was thinking of. And I don't even think it'd be all that difficult for them to transition in that direction. It helps that they've got a very valuable trade piece in Schneider (unless they really don't trust Luongo, which is possible). But at this point it almost feels like there's a culture of whining vibe coming out of there; even a guy like Bieksa whose play ought to speak for itself seems to feel compelled to whine. If they could lose Lapierre and maybe Burrows, and bring in some leadership, they might be better off. Maybe an Iginla trade, though there's a rivalry there so I don't really see that. Somebody who'd hold guys accountable...I mean I know you guys love Marchand, and if he was a Flyer I'd love him too, but somebody should have dropped the gloves with him over the speedbagging thing from last June, and it should have happened his first shift.In other words, copy the Detroit model for the most part. At least make that the ideal they strive towards. I think they would be very successful doing that, and having their leaders be tough yet skilled and clean players like Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg and hard hitters like Kronwall. It'd be interesting to see them at least try to move toward that.
Second quote is really all that needs to be said. Bruins are the champs, we all know how the league as a whole views the Canucks. Let the Canucks enjoy their January title and 2 points move on. Glad to see the coach and GM stick up for their players but better to just move on and get the players back focused on running roughshod over the league. Its not like it is with the Canadians, we play the Canucks once a year. We won the only matchup that matters last summer. Until or unless a playoff rematch happens, matter has been settled. Bruins are the winners, Canucks are the losers, no amount of verbal flatulance is going to change that. Im also confident the league isnt going to hand out increased discipline because Vancouver is whining for the 100th time.https://twitter.com/...421970802647041
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Julien when asked if the Bruins need to change style of play: "We’re Stanley Cup champions, so I don’t see why we should change.”
I really think the coach at minimum would have to go. But the bigger problem is, they seem to feel like they're doing things just right and they're prating on because the mean bully Bruins kicked over their sand castle and knocked down their snowman. And it's embarrassing because they're too talented to need to resort to this stuff. You know who they remind me of? The Colts...they should get Mike Gillis on the competition committee and get checking banned so they can win.Mo, That plan sounds good but you're right, the BS runs thick top to bottom and seems like it's practically an organizational mandate at this point. They didn't thicken their skins one bit after being humbled at home in Game 7; instead they've doubled down on the same stuff that made them the laughingstock of the league. What a weird locker room that must be.
Fair points. Kesler was injured, but I'm not sure that line is all that strong even when he's healthy. The D guy they were down was Hamhuis after he clipped (couldn't resist) Lucic in G1. They obviously lost Rome to suspension as well.Maybe. The strength of the Bruins is they've got unbelievable depth, they can roll 4 lines and really wear down a team especially over a long series. I really felt like not having Kesler hurt Vancouver badly, because they are somewhat a 1-line team when he's not there. I don't necessarily think the B's need to goon it up to beat a finesse team, but they do need to play a physical game, forecheck, put pressure on the D (Canucks were down a D-man or 2 as I recall...Erhoff?) I'm not saying they'd definitely lose if they didn't play physical at all, but it's one of their strengths and they'd be foolish to just not hit. I don't think they need to go the intimidation route, though it certainly helps them when they play clubs like the Nucks and Habs.
I dunno. By definition, both teams spent the same amount of time 5 on 5. One team scored three goals, the other didn't score any. I've seen people on SoSH disregard data that didn't fit their own personal narrative; guess I can add this to the examples of that sort of "analysis"(snip)
So, really, the fact that Vancouver didn't score 5-on-5 is irrelevant.
Their coach [Alain Vigneault] came out and said I play to hurt players. He obviously wanted to take a shot at me and stir the pot for the hearing [Monday]. It just shows the class he has or lack thereof.
We have a lot of tough guys on the ice there. They were pretty tough when it was six-on-one, but once they were all pulled off only one guy answered the bell. Just shows what kind of guys they are.