https://bostonsportsmedia.com/2016/07/25/lets-get-something-straight-dan-shaughnessy-is-not-a-hall-of-famer/Do you really think Hall of Famer Dan Shaughnessy has a clue as to the relative merits of Natan Eovaldi vis-a-vis Zack Wheeler?
Why would those 2 teams have any impact or importance towards this year's team??CHB claimed in that column that he cannot truly embrace this team because he remains haunted and scarred by (a) Gump and (b) Chicken & Beer.
Putting aside the laughable notion that he did not do handsprings over those two events, would any Red Sox fan on Earth ignore 2004, 2007 and 2013 and be scared of embracing this team because of Gump's idiocy from 15 years ago?
Because there are no even remotely objective reasons to hate this team directly, so he's trying out some indirect temporally osmotic hate tech of his own design.Why would those 2 teams have any impact or importance towards this year's team??
What you are putting aside is the real rub with me. Lack of sincerity. Yes, he did handsprings, cartwheels and probably had the best sex of his life.CHB claimed in that column that he cannot truly embrace this team because he remains haunted and scarred by (a) Gump and (b) Chicken & Beer.
Putting aside the laughable notion that he did not do handsprings over those two events, would any Red Sox fan on Earth ignore 2004, 2007 and 2013 and be scared of embracing this team because of Gump's idiocy from 15 years ago?
"Is this glass half full or half empty?"What you are putting aside is the real rub with me. Lack of sincerity. Yes, he did handsprings, cartwheels and probably had the best sex of his life.
But ghosts are real and no amount of success can kill them. There is an indelible memory of a perfect season ruined, in substantial part, by a guy who caught a football with his fucking helmet. A guy who washed out of the NFL shortly thereafter.
Totally relevant to bring up the 1969 Orioles. I'm sure Baltimore writers were writing all about the 1920 World Series in their 1969 post season previews. I mean, what happened 50 years ago in Major League Baseball is a blink. Absolutely nothing has changed from then to now. Perfectly cromulent comparison.He mentioned the 1969 Orioles TWICE last week.
They won 108 games and lost to the Mets in the World Series. Finished the season losing 5 out of 6 and Shank said that his beloved Earl Weaver lamented later (had to be later, Shank wasn't even at Holy Cross in 1969) that he didn't push his team hard enough the last week of the year.
All well and good.....EXCEPT THE ORIOLES PLAYED THE TWINS IN THE ALCS BEFORE PLAYING THE METS. They swept that series (3-0 in those days) and then won Game 1 of the WS.
So they lost 4 straight to the Mets after a 4 game winning streak.
He's paid to stir shit, yes. He's not paid to invent facts. Given his age, the O's sweep of the twins, and their easy game 1 WS win (hr of seaver on the first pitch, iirc) either shaughnessy is making it up or Weaver was.Shaughnessy is not paid to make logical arguments and comparisons, he’s paid to do exactly what he’s doing.
No no, you don't "get it." Technically he's not paid to tell the truth either! Or to represent reality in any kind of human, rational way. The sky is the limit on what he can do as long as he stirs shit, see. He's not paid to make sense, or be good at his job, or be "good" in any sense of the term, so all this discussion is moot and we're all being weird and ignoring reality.He's paid to stir shit, yes. He's not paid to invent facts. Given his age, the O's sweep of the twins, and their easy game 1 WS win (hr of seaver on the first pitch, iirc) either shaughnessy is making it up or Weaver was.
He’s paid to create a narrative and get noticed. I’m fairly certain (though not 100%) that he realizes his storyline would not withstand rigorous examination.He's paid to stir shit, yes. He's not paid to invent facts. Given his age, the O's sweep of the twins, and their easy game 1 WS win (hr of seaver on the first pitch, iirc) either shaughnessy is making it up or Weaver was.
That error was on a sac bunt. The pitcher's throw hit the batter near first base. I'm guessing that Weaver went to his grave muttering "Fucking JC Martin was out of the fucking baseline." (He was).And two of Baltimore's 1969 WS losses were by a 2-1 score.
Game 4: BAL scores in T9 to tie game 1-1, but Mets win in 10 when run scores on an error
Yeah, they got pounded, those Os.
Additionally, it's half a season suspension in MLB (far from the death penalty) vs. a quarter season in the NFL.
He has to be trolling here, right? I mean, Edelman is literally coming back from a torn ACL
"Love how football folk characterize Edelman’s return tonight as a “comeback”. As if he were recovering from a disease or an ACL. The guy cheated and got caught. It’s death penalty for MLB guy. Celebrated in NFL"
Is there any other type of tweet from CHB?He has to be trolling here, right?
But he's kind of right here. There is a huge hypocrisy in this country when in comes to PEDs. Certain athletes are crucified for doing them (baseball players, Olympians, cyclists) and others get a pass (football players). Edelman got popped for the steroids and was suspended for the first four games, two of which the Pats lost. I think that they could have used him in one of those games, but no one seems to give a shit.
He has to be trolling here, right? I mean, Edelman is literally coming back from a torn ACL
"Love how football folk characterize Edelman’s return tonight as a “comeback”. As if he were recovering from a disease or an ACL. The guy cheated and got caught. It’s death penalty for MLB guy. Celebrated in NFL"
Perhaps, but it was also kind of a big nothing. The days of people wetting their pants a la Clemens, Bonds and others over guys getting caught are apparently over. I don't know if Seattle fans were welcoming Cano. But we also know that Cano hasn't been a key part of two championships, like Edelman has.But he's kind of right here. There is a huge hypocrisy in this country when in comes to PEDs. Certain athletes are crucified for doing them (baseball players, Olympians, cyclists) and others get a pass (football players). Edelman got popped for the steroids and was suspended for the first four games, two of which the Pats lost. I think that they could have used him in one of those games, but no one seems to give a shit.
And that's fine. I'm not a guy who loses his mind over PEDs. If a person understands the risks and wants to put that stuff in his or her body, more power to them. Shaughnessy has been extra dickish this last month, so I have no real love for him either. But I don't think that he's entirely wrong here. Look at Robinson Cano in Seattle this past summer. No one was throwing bouquets at him when he came back, at least that I can remember. It's a weird double standard that I'm not sure will ever change.
I think that we'll have to agree to disagree on this. What Edelman did was "wrong" and it probably* cost his team a victory or two.Perhaps, but it was also kind of a big nothing. The days of people wetting their pants a la Clemens, Bonds and others over guys getting caught are apparently over. I don't know if Seattle fans were welcoming Cano. But we also know that Cano hasn't been a key part of two championships, like Edelman has.
Like I wrote above, there IS a baseball/football divide on PEDs tolerance. But it's probably not as big as he's saying and so what? Old news. I think the CHB's only real objective was to call Edelman a cheater and tweak Pats fans. And draw attention to himself, of course.
But he didn't say anything about the fans, he said "football folk". Also Edelman took part in training camp and a couple of preseason games.Yes, there is a double standard between the NFL and MLB. However, while there is no way to know, I would wager the word "comeback" was much more about the ACL than the suspension. Also, if Mookie Betts got busted got PEDs, he would get an enormous reaction at Fenway for his first game back.
Single handily keeping the Afro alive into the 2000s. Dude should get the chair for that.What horrible actions are you talking about? @Earthbound64
Wait, that's what your vaguebooking was about? His 'horrible actions against people" (describing which might get you banned) was his descriptions of Carl Everett (one of the few times when it was probably earned)?Apologies, I didn't mean to be annoying by being vague, it was a combination between not wanting to be over-the-top with slander or anything, and also a belief that this was all still common knowledge. I suppose it has been going on long enough where it might just be in the background for some people.
Here's a decent article summing up a bunch of the issues - from back in 2002, hence me saying that all of this should have been dealt with 15+ years in the past.
https://bostonsportsmedia.com/2002/12/04/shaughnessyget-a-life-bsmw-column-from-2002/
The title of the article is somewhat off-track, but the contents of it are a pretty good summary of the various matters.
I want to touch on this for a second: Shank said it was a "death penalty" for baseball players but that's objectively not true. Melky got 50 games and his career continued and no one cared, Cano got 80 games this year and his career will continue and no one will care. Once a suspension system is in place, a lot of the outrage dies down because there's a clear action=consequences timeline.There's no more outrage because there's no longer this idea that the players cheat for years and get away with it, not with testing.But he didn't say anything about the fans, he said "football folk". Also Edelman took part in training camp and a couple of preseason games.
http://www.espn.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/9260558/david-ortiz-boston-red-sox-says-ped-suggestions-discriminatoryBoston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz said on Thursday that he thought a recent Boston Globe column had racially tinged elements in its questioning of whether he has been helped by steroids in his prolific start to the 2013 season.
Yesterday, the guy came to see me and asked some questions about steroids, and when you see the writing, it basically focuses on the fact that I'm Dominican and that many Dominicans have been caught using steroids
I just think he's trolling/pampering for clicks and Ortiz, Everett and Offerman are easy targets but I say that as a white guy. Ortiz is a legend and Everett/Offerman were pretty well hated by the fan base. I haven't read CHB in years but I'm guessing he trashed white players too. If that's not actually the case, I could easily be convinced to side with you.There's a difference between "dumping on" someone (which often involves actually reading what he's writing) and thinking that someone is a horrible person who does terrible things, and who should be removed from any position where anyone is going to read him or where he can have an impact on any other people.