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Another example of a player being in a position that he's not accustomed to being in...as the middleman leading a 3-on-2 break. Unlike the pass to Queta however this occured organically. One could say that the Al-Queda fast break blew up in their faces.
A play I would normally trust Horford to make all the same. Although, I think what was really unusual about the play is that he somehow had Queta on his right. 99/100 times he is in that situation it would be a player who knows what to do when he gets the ball.
 

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The trick-or-treat nature of Neemias Queta was on full display. In 10 minutes, he had 5 points and 5 rebounds... and 2 turnovers. Rebounded a Celtic missed free throw, was fouled, and hit the shots. Scored and got fouled when the Celtics drove and dished to him. But also plenty of awkwardness from him. Set a pick for White but the defense defended White's drive well and he passed it back to Queta (who had done a sort of short roll), who took a dribble and then coughed it up - that was one of his turnovers. I want to see how much of his struggles are due to adjustment to the level of play in the NBA versus just a straight lack of talent.

Banton also showed a mix of good and bad. In 10 minutes, 4 points (2-4) and 5 rebounds, plus an assist and a block. Had a great drive, hang in the air, get fouled, and hit the shot, but then missed the FT. Attempted one three which missed badly. But he was an active presence and made some plays.
For the 7-11 guys on the roster, obviously Hauser and PP are rotation fixtures. They seem to trust Kornet. For everyone else, it looks like Banton and Queta are going to get force-fed some minutes because they're the most promising.

For now, looks like Brissett, Svi, and Stevens haven't shown enough in games or practice, and I bet Brad tries to package them with 2nds for upgrades later.
 

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A play I would normally trust Horford to make all the same. Although, I think what was really unusual about the play is that he somehow had Queta on his right. 99/100 times he is in that situation it would be a player who knows what to do when he gets the ball.
Al is pretty good when he dribbles the ball up court and has time to survey and assess. In this fast break, the ball was awkwardly passed to him in a weird spot by a guard (Jrue?) and he made the quick decision to pass it to the wing, who happened to be the hustling, Queta, who doesn’t have the hands for that type of play.
 

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Al is pretty good when he dribbles the ball up court and has time to survey and assess. In this fast break, the ball was awkwardly passed to him in a weird spot by a guard (Jrue?) and he made the quick decision to pass it to the wing, who happened to be the hustling, Queta, who doesn’t have the hands for that type of play.
I think that most times Al is in that situation, the player to his right is someone he can pass to without thinking about it. When he's playing PF, how often will he have the ball on a fast break with the C? Almost never.
 

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that pool report is sort of interesting—the only way to defend the ejection is a “magic words” explanation and they didn’t make it. Pretty indefensible ejection otherwise.

what I think was going on was Tatum was yapping more than he has most of this year and crew was tired of it. Which I get, and he shouldn’t do that. But based on how nba calls techs on stars that one is indefensible unless they left something out of explanation….as others noted players want a consistent standard and that one failed it.

my guess is crew said “stop” he didn’t and they made the power-play ejection. That’s the definition of bad choice by Tatum (why push it with one T already) and also crappy officiating—they can just walk away.
From the replay, Tatum protested the foul call, and then continued to walk after the official that made the call. One of the coaches eventually went out to calm Tatum down but he kept yapping while the officials were mostly ignoring him. Maybe there were no magic words, but I can see why he got the T.
 

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I think that most times Al is in that situation, the player to his right is someone he can pass to without thinking about it. When he's playing PF, how often will he have the ball on a fast break with the C? Almost never.
No doubt a fluke play. Queta can run well for a seven footer, but is a bit ham handed. If that fast break develops in a typical way, where the guard keeps it and allows the other two to fan out to both wings, one of the bigs gets a dunk/alley.
 

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After the tournaments game in Indianapolis, we will find out a lot about the Celtics team in the next eight games. They have two games in a row at home against Cleveland and two games in a row at home against Orlando, who both went 3-1 against Boston last season, followed by a four game sojourn through California.

A sweep at home and split in Cali would be exceptional, and keep them on a 60 win pace.
 

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Horford immediately acknowledged that he'd made a mistake by passing to Queta in transition.
Yes he knew right away. This goes back to what I preach about this game being one of instinct and not thinking. When you are in the middle of a break you aren't necessarily thinking who the players are filling the lane, especially when you are not a ballhandler who is often in this spot, you are reading the defense and making split second instinctual decisions at full game speed.
 

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After the tournaments game in Indianapolis, we will find out a lot about the Celtics team in the next eight games. They have two games in a row at home against Cleveland and two games in a row at home against Orlando, who both went 3-1 against Boston last season, followed by a four game sojourn through California.

A sweep at home and split in Cali would be exceptional, and keep them on a 60 win pace.
The California portion of that stretch is brutal too. Two 7 PM local games, back to back, after getting out there then a 12:30 PM local game and a 2 PM local game on Christmas. Honestly, 4-4 wouldn't be the end of the world.
 

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Tbh, the fact that they are 15-4 is kind of scary for the league lol.

So far, Tatum hasn’t played like the top 5 player we need him to be, Jaylen hasn’t been top 50, and that’s being generous. KP cold from three, Holiday 53% TS, Horford and Pritchard really cold starts and have just recently got it going.

Shows the upside this team has, and probably why all the nerd models had them winning a ridiculous amount of games.
 

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Yes he knew right away. This goes back to what I preach about this game being one of instinct and not thinking. When you are in the middle of a break you aren't necessarily thinking who the players are filling the lane, especially when you are not a ballhandler who is often in this spot, you are reading the defense and making split second instinctual decisions at full game speed.
For an instant, I thought it was Brown on the right wing. Queta fumbled the pass, but he was moving at a pretty good pace when Horford fed him. Al might well have forgotten Queta was in the game.
 

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I don't really know whether the first T was deserved or not (the call he was complaining about was a correct call, though), but the second one clearly was deserved. Even Scal was talking about "you can't step to a referee". Like two of the three refs made the you're-outta-here gesture at the same time, they both had enough right at the same moment - makes me think some magic words were said.

I have no problem with the ejection. Spare me the "in a league where Draymond walks around a free man", not many people here loathe Draymond more than I do. Tatum's conduct deserved a T. And it turned out he'd already had one. Next time Draymond won't retreat to his bench when ordered to by two referees, I hope he gets T'd up too.

Tatum needs to gripe less. Take some lessons from Lebron or something.
The one good thing about this whole situation is that we got a classic Gorman line out of it, "Refs looking more like a dance team there." (Or something like that. I laughed.)
 

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The California portion of that stretch is brutal too. Two 7 PM local games, back to back, after getting out there then a 12:30 PM local game and a 2 PM local game on Christmas. Honestly, 4-4 wouldn't be the end of the world.
Philly has a seven game stretch of cupcakes.
 

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Not top 5 but certainly top 8 or so. And that’s plenty good enough with this roster.
I fully expect him to get to the level I think we need him to be at, I just think he’s coasting a bit the last couple of weeks. Just at this point, coasting for him is 27/8/5 on a 60% TS lol.

I know he was pretty sick when he was questionable for a couple of games, so could be as simple as that.
 

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I fully expect him to get to the level I think we need him to be at, I just think he’s coasting a bit the last couple of weeks. Just at this point, coasting for him is 27/8/5 on a 60% TS lol.

I know he was pretty sick when he was questionable for a couple of games, so could be as simple as that.
Tatum is in a slump. Happens every season (poor shooting mechanics, unable to finish at the rim, etc). He'll go through 10-15 games of this, then he'll turn to Drew Hanlen who will have detailed video of Tatum making sloppy passes. Tatum will download it and stop gambling with unnecessary skip passes in the half-court.

One of Tatum's superpowers is his Infrastructure. He has a mom who is a lawyer handling his off-court personal affairs, a dad who was a demanding HS basketball coach, a child at 19 to ground him, and a private coach from the age 13 to analyze his every move on the court. Most importantly, Tatum has the drive, determination, & awareness to lean on them when he goes just a little astray.
 

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that pool report is sort of interesting—the only way to defend the ejection is a “magic words” explanation and they didn’t make it. Pretty indefensible ejection otherwise.

what I think was going on was Tatum was yapping more than he has most of this year and crew was tired of it. Which I get, and he shouldn’t do that. But based on how nba calls techs on stars that one is indefensible unless they left something out of explanation….as others noted players want a consistent standard and that one failed it.

my guess is crew said “stop” he didn’t and they made the power-play ejection. That’s the definition of bad choice by Tatum (why push it with one T already) and also crappy officiating—they can just walk away.
The pool report was talking around it but the thing here is Kennedy is gay, so the real question they were asking was did Tatum say the f slur and the answer thankfully was no.
 

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my guess is crew said “stop” he didn’t and they made the power-play ejection. That’s the definition of bad choice by Tatum (why push it with one T already) and also crappy officiating—they can just walk away.
Hard disagree. The refs were headed to the table for review of the foul. Tatum came over and kept jawing. Do you expect the refs to walk away from the table and further delay the game?

Not you, but other people like to throw out Draymond. I don't want the league to officiate everyone like Draymond. That shouldn't be the standard we measure against.

Tatum took it too far. If this was an opposing team's star, we'd be clamoring for the refs to end it. I hate the constant complaining on legit routine and defendable foul calls. Yes, sometimes the refs are terrible, but there is complaining on virtually every single play. Not the example I want kids to see when they watch their favorite players. Frankly, they should call more techs than they do and end the crybaby behaviors.

Zinger excepted. His Ts have been terrible and worthy of derision.
 

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I unequivocally love that the Cs have leaned into having the old stars hang around and that Paul Pierce just loves being around the team so much and bringing a joy to the building. He always comes off to me as totally authentic and genuinely curious and positive. Part of the pressure of being the team picked to win the championship is that it can really take the fun out of playing the sport. Having Pierce around has got to be great for loosening the players up. Games like last night, Tatum doesn't seem to be having fun; when he is, he's completely unstoppable.

View: https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1730985000550400439?s=20
 

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Hard disagree. The refs were headed to the table for review of the foul. Tatum came over and kept jawing. Do you expect the refs to walk away from the table and further delay the game?

Not you, but other people like to throw out Draymond. I don't want the league to officiate everyone like Draymond. That shouldn't be the standard we measure against.

Tatum took it too far. If this was an opposing team's star, we'd be clamoring for the refs to end it. I hate the constant complaining on legit routine and defendable foul calls. Yes, sometimes the refs are terrible, but there is complaining on virtually every single play. Not the example I want kids to see when they watch their favorite players. Frankly, they should call more techs than they do and end the crybaby behaviors.

Zinger excepted. His Ts have been terrible and worthy of derision.
Watch the replay—above is not what happened or where it happened. And the sequence here is everything. The refs stopped just past the center court logo initially, then stopped again halfway between logo and sideline and that’s where they tossed him. Then they went to table and he pursued. It’s more that they were towards Celtics bench than he was going to the tablewhen they tossed him…a big big difference.

and yes—they should have gone to the table initially (they had already signaled for a review) and this would likely have ended..and if not, that’s then on Tatum. So I agree when he went over towards table after being tossed that’s not ok…but he was already gone then. Why did they stop where they did? Unclear

I’m asking for same action from refs you are—and we didn’t get it last night. And I agree Tatum shouldn’t have kept going and bears some blame too…but it was awful officiating as well
 
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Right.. the reason is because it’s a completely different line. Tatum raises his arms and looks disgusted and it’s a T.. LeBron used to do that kind of ‘histrionics’ after every foul call against him or that he didn’t get.

Edit; you could find a ton of videos like this:
View: https://youtu.be/nLsUFOlsRlU?si=74k53jZNBkXTV9Fr
There's a difference (apparently) between running around on the court and continuing to go after the refs after he's been told to back off. According to Forsberg's pod, the refs' statement was that JT was told to back off and go the bench and he didn't stop. Like Beverly did later in the game.
 

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Watch the replay—above is not what happened or where it happened. And the sequence here is everything. The refs stopped just past the center court logo initially, then stopped again halfway between logo and sideline and that’s where they tossed him. Then they went to table and he pursued. It’s more that they were towards Celtics bench than he was going to the tablewhen they tossed him…a big big difference.

and yes—they should have gone to the table initially (they had already signaled for a review) and this would likely have ended..and if not, that’s then on Tatum. So I agree when he went over towards table after being tossed that’s not ok…but he was already gone then. Why did they stop where they did? Unclear

I’m asking for same action from refs you are—and we didn’t get it last night. And I agree Tatum shouldn’t have kept going and bears some blame too…but it was awful officiating as well
I’d be interested to know what the head official said to the assistant about coming to get Tatum.. because that’s what set Tatum off even more.. imo nba refs don’t deserve any kind of benefit of the doubt. They’ve been awful for decades.. especially when it comes to power trips with players.. I guess Tatum should walk away but these guys need to have thicker skins.. nobody is there to watch them but they consistently think they’re the show.
 

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Anyone else more worried about meeting Philly than Milwaukee in the postseason?

Philly is noticeably better coached this year (and better coached than Milwaukee), Maxey is an emerging star while Milwaukee's age is finally showing (Middleton, e.g.), and I think the impact of the Lillard addition to the Bucks has been overrated. Plus, Philly made a nice offseason pickup with Oubre, and it doesn't help that Beverley can really dial it up sometimes (like last night when he was auditioning for the Hall of Fame).
 

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Al is pretty good when he dribbles the ball up court and has time to survey and assess. In this fast break, the ball was awkwardly passed to him in a weird spot by a guard (Jrue?) and he made the quick decision to pass it to the wing, who happened to be the hustling, Queta, who doesn’t have the hands for that type of play.
It was Pritchard.

The TO is really Pritchard's fault. PP does a good job on defense against Harris forcing the TO; recovers the ball and starts dribbling upcourt and for some reason before he crosses 1/2court, he passes to Horford who is running by him in the middle of the court. No reason to get the ball to Al 30 feet away from the hoop. PP needs to keep the ball there.

(BTW, NBA.com has video for most TOs.)
 

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Another example of a player being in a position that he's not accustomed to being in...as the middleman leading a 3-on-2 break. Unlike the pass to Queta however this occured organically. One could say that the Al-Queda fast break blew up in their faces.
Jesus Christ did no one catch this? You guys must be losing your touch.
 

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For everyone who has posted the JT on/off numbers over the year, Sean Grande sent this out last night:
In the last 9 games, Jayson Tatum is last on the Celtics in +/-.
+58 with Tatum off the court -17 with Tatum on.
A reversal of every trend in his 7 NBA years. And the Celtics have still won 7 of those 9.

View: https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/1730803983654981693
It's way, way too early for +/- ( a few games skew it), but Derrick White...

OnCourt / On-Off
+16 / +14.9

Please keep him on the court as much as possible
 

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For everyone who has posted the JT on/off numbers over the year, Sean Grande sent this out last night:
In the last 9 games, Jayson Tatum is last on the Celtics in +/-.
+58 with Tatum off the court -17 with Tatum on.
A reversal of every trend in his 7 NBA years. And the Celtics have still won 7 of those 9.

View: https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/1730803983654981693
It hasn’t been nine games, but I suspect that the absence of Porzingis over the last several has probably put more of the weight on Tatum‘s shoulders.
 

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The league reviewed Tatum’s flagrant 1 a downgraded it to a common foul. Why is this review different than the in game review? The flagrant could have cost us the game. The in-game review took forever.
 

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Anyone else more worried about meeting Philly than Milwaukee in the postseason?

Philly is noticeably better coached this year (and better coached than Milwaukee), Maxey is an emerging star while Milwaukee's age is finally showing (Middleton, e.g.), and I think the impact of the Lillard addition to the Bucks has been overrated. Plus, Philly made a nice offseason pickup with Oubre, and it doesn't help that Beverley can really dial it up sometimes (like last night when he was auditioning for the Hall of Fame).
I'm much more worried about Milwaukee.

What it often comes down to in the playoffs, at least with fairly matched teams, is who's #1 guy can go supernova and get you over the hump.

Giannis is frightening when he's on, Embiid is often huffing and puffing at the end of playoff games because he's not in shape to play 40+ minutes in those games. Until Embiid shows he can do it, I don't consider them nearly the threat Milwaukee or Miami is.
 

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The league reviewed Tatum’s flagrant 1 a downgraded it to a common foul. Why is this review different than the in game review? The flagrant could have cost us the game. The in-game review took forever.
Why did they? Does it come with a fine or some kind of accumulated penalty? It wasn’t in the last 2 minutes. I mean, why did they review it?
 

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Why did they? Does it come with a fine or some kind of accumulated penalty? It wasn’t in the last 2 minutes. I mean, why did they review it?
Flagrant fouls are assessed penalty points for the player.. if you get more than five it's a suspension. (edit: flagrant 1s are worth one point, flagrant 2s are worth 2)
 

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Anyone else more worried about meeting Philly than Milwaukee in the postseason?

Philly is noticeably better coached this year (and better coached than Milwaukee), Maxey is an emerging star while Milwaukee's age is finally showing (Middleton, e.g.), and I think the impact of the Lillard addition to the Bucks has been overrated. Plus, Philly made a nice offseason pickup with Oubre, and it doesn't help that Beverley can really dial it up sometimes (like last night when he was auditioning for the Hall of Fame).
Absolutely. I'd rather play Milwaukee than Philly, Orlando, New York and Miami. If we could play the Bucks in the first 3 rounds I'm confident we'd be playing in The Finals.
 

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Anyone else more worried about meeting Philly than Milwaukee in the postseason?

Philly is noticeably better coached this year (and better coached than Milwaukee), Maxey is an emerging star while Milwaukee's age is finally showing (Middleton, e.g.), and I think the impact of the Lillard addition to the Bucks has been overrated. Plus, Philly made a nice offseason pickup with Oubre, and it doesn't help that Beverley can really dial it up sometimes (like last night when he was auditioning for the Hall of Fame).
It feels like many here are trying to talk themselves into the idea the Bucks aren't good. They are good and their length/defense is exactly the sort that slows down the Jays, especially when playoff games get bogged down late. Also, Khris Middleton is, sadly, not washed.
 

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I’d be interested to know what the head official said to the assistant about coming to get Tatum.. because that’s what set Tatum off even more.. imo nba refs don’t deserve any kind of benefit of the doubt. They’ve been awful for decades.. especially when it comes to power trips with players.. I guess Tatum should walk away but these guys need to have thicker skins.. nobody is there to watch them but they consistently think they’re the show.
According to a Timelord post on IG this morning, Tatum was upset that a ref told a Celtics assistant to come get him and said so. Apparently it was not how the ref said it, but the fact that he did, like Tatum was a child instead of a first team All NBA superstar.

Nobody paid to see that ref Friday night, and nobody except maybe his immediate family tuned into that nationally televised game. Ridiculous tech by a power tripping referee.

That said, when a player has a tech, he can’t pick up another one, regardless of the show of disrespect from a referee
 

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The NBA made a lot of changes this offseason to get the stars to play more games, but I guess they didn't tell the refs. Giannis, Jokic, Tatum and CP3 have all been ejected for nonsense.
 

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It feels like many here are trying to talk themselves into the idea the Bucks aren't good. They are good and their length/defense is exactly the sort that slows down the Jays, especially when playoff games get bogged down late. Also, Khris Middleton is, sadly, not washed.
By what metric is Middleton not washed or showing signs of being washed? Looking at Middleton's stats every single one is down from last year (except for fg %).. and he's playing about 12 minutes less per game on average.

Also.. doesn't their defense look a lot worse this year? Would be interested to know what their strength of schedule has been as well.

edit: according to this.. they've had the 27th most difficult schedule thusfar vs the C's having the 5th hardest so far. http://powerrankingsguru.com/nba/strength-of-schedule.php
 

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The NBA made a lot of changes this offseason to get the stars to play more games, but I guess they didn't tell the refs. Giannis, Jokic, Tatum and CP3 have all been ejected for nonsense.
Feel like the only the only thing that's changed is that we no longer no the names of the refs throwing these players out. Last night tweedle dee and dum looked ridiculous making their simultaneous ejection calls.
 

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By what metric is Middleton not washed or showing signs of being washed? Looking at Middleton's stats every single one is down from last year (except for fg %).. and he's playing about 12 minutes less per game on average.

Also.. doesn't their defense look a lot worse this year? Would be interested to know what their strength of schedule has been as well.

edit: according to this.. they've had the 27th most difficult schedule thusfar vs the C's having the 5th hardest so far. http://powerrankingsguru.com/nba/strength-of-schedule.php
I don't know how they come up with 27th most difficult. They haven't played a single road game West of them yet and have played their share of cupcakes.
 

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By what metric is Middleton not washed or showing signs of being washed? Looking at Middleton's stats every single one is down from last year (except for fg %).. and he's playing about 12 minutes less per game on average.

Also.. doesn't their defense look a lot worse this year? Would be interested to know what their strength of schedule has been as well.

edit: according to this.. they've had the 27th most difficult schedule thusfar vs the C's having the 5th hardest so far. http://powerrankingsguru.com/nba/strength-of-schedule.php
That SOS is determined by their own personal power rankings, so take that for what it's worth. Coming into today, they've had the 24th hardest SOS by opponent win %. They've also won more than their fair share by net rating (2 games better than expected, per Bref), but they outperformed their expected win total last year by a whopping 8 games, so who knows. They definitely don't look as good as expected (by the general public at least), but they haven't really paid for it in the loss column yet.
 

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That SOS is determined by their own personal power rankings, so take that for what it's worth. Coming into today, they've had the 24th hardest SOS by opponent win %. They've also won more than their fair share by net rating (2 games better than expected, per Bref), but they outperformed their expected win total last year by a whopping 8 games, so who knows. They definitely don't look as good as expected (by the general public at least), but they haven't really paid for it in the loss column yet.
Yeah.. I didn't know where to look for an "accurate" SOS so just went with that one for the time being. Thanks for finding more info. I wonder how much energy Lillard and Giannis will have to put out this year just to keep the Bucks winning. I'm not trying to count them out at all, but the Sixers at the moment seem to be a bigger challenge..just a deeper team. Though I'm not sure if all of the pieces fit great when Embiid is in as he demands so much of the ball. Playoffs should be interesting.
 

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According to a Timelord post on IG this morning, Tatum was upset that a ref told a Celtics assistant to come get him and said so. Apparently it was not how the ref said it, but the fact that he did, like Tatum was a child instead of a first team All NBA superstar.
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It's really, really, really hard for me to imagine a ref saying that to a Lakers or Warriors assistant re LeBron or Steph.
 

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By what metric is Middleton not washed or showing signs of being washed? Looking at Middleton's stats every single one is down from last year (except for fg %).. and he's playing about 12 minutes less per game on average.
Middleton's stats look poor because he is still working his way back from injury. I have watched the Bucks play and he doesn't look washed to my eyes but maybe he is cooked. Hasn't seemed so of late.

As for their D, they are middle of the pack in terms of team defense but that's the regular season. We all know that playoff defense is a different animal. For me, the answer to the question about whether the 76ers or Bucks worry you more in a playoff series against Boston is Milwaukee.

I am not dismissing Philly because this roster can definitely beat the Celtics in a seven game series. But Milwaukee worries me more because they have ample length/rim protection and two guys who can get buckets when they need them, even against great defense.

Maybe Middleton is totally washed and Boston handles the Bucks D easily in the playoffs but I wouldn't bet on it.
 

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I guess for me, as good as Giannis is, I don’t feel as much like the Celtics haven’t been able to contain him. Obviously not all the time, but it seems like there have been plenty of games where they’ve been able to contain him.

With Philly, they now have two players which on a given night have punished the Celtics. Of course, Embiid’s had lots of games where he wasn’t that much of a factor, so he’s a big wildcard.