I've had Giolito off-and-on my fantasy team over the last few years. He was inconsistent, to say the least. I never thought I could trust him for multiple solid outings.
Are we only focused on eating innings now? Not winning them? For all the internet ink spilled on value on this board and all the players who aren’t worth the money, we’re certainly ok with a team that seemingly is ok with giving lots of money and leverage to guys who don’t seem to deserve it.Would everyone that is complaining about them actually doing something rather have some waiver wire fodder or some kid from AAA who isn’t ready pitching the 150 innings that this guy is likely to give them?
They had plenty of room this year too. Still waiting on a #1 or #2 starter and/or a 2B.I'm not sure why it should. Martin, Jansen and (potentially) Sale come off the books after this year. There's plenty of room to maneuver.
Is the player somewhat young and has time to improve? If so 10000%. This screams Ike a Wacha deal hoping he eats more innings but won’t actually improve anything.Would everyone that is complaining about them actually doing something rather have some waiver wire fodder or some kid from AAA who isn’t ready pitching the 150 innings that this guy is likely to give them?
Not getting enough innings from starters has been the single biggest problem for the team in each of the past two years.Are we only focused on eating innings now? Not winning them? For all the internet ink spilled on value on this board and all the players who aren’t worth the money, we’re certainly ok with a team that seemingly is ok with giving lots of money and leverage to guys who don’t seem to deserve it.
Eating innings is a very important part of winning games over a 162 game season. Wasn’t that the value of guys like Tim Wakefield? They allow you to not have to rely on your bullpen for 4 or 5 innings every single night and not completely burn out the staff.Are we only focused on eating innings now? Not winning them? For all the internet ink spilled on value on this board and all the players who aren’t worth the money, we’re certainly ok with a team that seemingly is ok with giving lots of money and leverage to guys who don’t seem to deserve it.
Id rather see them go get a top of the rotation option. I’m betting that this is their solution to the top which is why I have a problem with it.Would everyone that is complaining about them actually doing something rather have some waiver wire fodder or some kid from AAA who isn’t ready pitching the 150 innings that this guy is likely to give them?
yesWould everyone that is complaining about them actually doing something rather have some waiver wire fodder or some kid from AAA who isn’t ready pitching the 150 innings that this guy is likely to give them?
I would argue that if that player existed in this organization, they would already be penciled in on the depth chart. They just don’t have enough pitchers so they went and signed one, warts and all, because that’s what’s available right now.Is the player somewhat young and has time to improve? If so 10000%. This screams Ike a Wacha deal hoping he eats more innings but won’t actually improve anything.
Yeah it's really too bad we've run out of time and money this offseason without doing any of that.They had plenty of room this year too. Still waiting on a #1 or #2 starter and/or a 2B.
I would rather see that as well, I just don’t think that they can do it right now.Id rather see them go get a top of the rotation option. I’m betting that this is their solution to the top which is why I have a problem with it.
I disagree. If they have money problems it’s because they don’t develop enough pitching.yes
This is low floor low ceiling move that just costs money. There's no point whatsoever to this. I can handle them sucking. Who cares really. But we see this move seemingly every year - a move that looks bad the moment the pen hits ink. Kluber, Richards, Perez, etc.
If Giolito pitches 150 innings there's a better chance that he has a 5+ era than one under 4. What's the difference with whether he does it or whatever aaa/waiver wire fodder?
This team has money problems because the contracts they give up are reactionary, and it's been an issue for over a decade. Lose out on Jose Abreu, sign Rusney Castillo. Lose Lester, sign Price. Whatever happened with Xander, so you offer Devers an absurd amount. They just keep repeating the same theme of mistake in perpetuity regardless of who is steering the ship
I get it, but, like, the offseason isn't over. Still possible they add another pitcher on a long-term deal.I hate this deal.
Not because of the player - whom I really like and think Bailey and Breslow can fix. Not because of the dollars, $19ish million is more than fine.
It’s because of the lack of team control. I desperately wanted them to sign someone - anyone - that they believed in enough to say “this guy and Bello are in our rotation for the next 3 to 4 years while we try to fix the major issues surrounding starting pitching in the organization.
This does not achieve that goal. I’d literally prefer this to be a 4/$100m deal (because I really do like Giolito) or even to have outbid Arizona for ERod (I actually prefer Giolito as a pitcher).
Like the player; absolutely hate the continuation of one year short term deals where you’re building toward nothing in the rotation. Now next off-season we get to do the whole “how do we fix 3 or 4 rotation holes AGAIN” discussion.
I don’t really think that is where the concern lies. We’d all love for him to have a 3.50 ERA before the trade deadline. That either means he’s helping us to a playoff spot or setting us up to unload him for a decent prospect package.I don’t really get the concern of him pitching well and leaving after a year. It would be fantastic if he had a great year! We’ll worry about 25 later.
They're shopping in the same poorly stocked free agent market that a buncha other teams are in. You don't pass on guys who have a chance at helping and say yes at market prices just because he's not your dream acquisition. With few exceptions, Gioloto is what's out there, more or less. Do you want him or not?If this is their idea of full throttle, mehhhhh.
Isn't Giolito 29 with way more decent innings than bad? Also this is a prove it deal so he'll presumably be motivated.Is the player somewhat young and has time to improve? If so 10000%. This screams Ike a Wacha deal hoping he eats more innings but won’t actually improve anything.
We don’t know what other dominoes will fall. I would love to see them sign Imanaga.Id rather see them go get a top of the rotation option. I’m betting that this is their solution to the top which is why I have a problem with it.
totally totally agree. More betwixt and between stuff, just like Bloom. I mean the best case is that he plays at the top of his range and then opts out: one year of Giolito at his best would be worth the money they'll give him. But damn ...just go get top talent I agree.I really don’t like this. They say they don’t want to trade for rentals, but will essentially pay $20 million for 1 year of a guy who if pitches well will be out. Or if he sucks, they’re on the hook for up to 2 years more for him. Just go and pay premium prices for top talent.
Exactly. Jeez. This is the opposite of Kluber, Richards, etc… good lord. This guy was a legit #2 from 2019-21 and he’s only 29.Isn't Giolito 29 with way more decent innings than bad? Also this is a prove it deal so he'll presumably be motivated.
By itself this is underwhelming and I get why we are sick of these deals but on it's own this seems like a decent signing.
Maybe but Imanaga has a January 11 deadline. I'm not sure that Montgomery will sign before that.Montgomery, then Imanaga, then Paxton. They’ll go for them in that order likely.
What top talent is available now that Yamamoto is in LA? You ready to sign Monty or Snell for 7 or 8 years? The Giolito signing doesn’t handcuff them at all to make future acquisitions.totally totally agree. More betwixt and between stuff, just like Bloom. I mean the best case is that he plays at the top of his range and then opts out: one year of Giolito at his best would be worth the money they'll give him. But damn ...just go get top talent I agree.
The above is more where my concern lies. The organization seemingly lacks any conviction at all.I don’t really think that is where the concern lies. We’d all love for him to have a 3.50 ERA before the trade deadline. That either means he’s helping us to a playoff spot or setting us up to unload him for a decent prospect package.
The concern that I see is the alternative reality where he pitches poorly and we’re “stuck” with a $19M bottom-of-the-rotation starter for 2025. Not the end of the world, sure, but far from ideal.
So you're saying he's special, unique even.When you have the chance to get the first pitcher since 1899 to give up 8 earned runs for three teams in the same season, you gotta do it.
He specifically showed that this isn’t unique. Unless you mean for this or the last century, in which case, yeah.So you're saying he's special, unique even.
This is an interesting element. If by chance he goes down with Tommy John next summer, the Sox can pay him $14M for his rebound year."Giolito’s deal with Boston gives him an $18M salary in 2024 and a $1M buyout if he opts out. If not, the salary for 2025 is $19M. There is a conditional option for 2026 — $14M club option if he throws under 140 innings in 2025, $19M mutual option for 140+, with a $1.5M buyout."
At almost twice the moneyI sure hope this isn’t Garret Richards redux.
He probably needs to stay fully healthy to give up that manyI mean, he can’t possibly give up 41 homers again, right?
From 19-21 Guilito was every bit as good as Montgomery. He’s not been as good as his standard over the past couple years but went through some serious family trouble.Exactly. Jeez. This is the opposite of Kluber, Richards, etc… good lord. This guy was a legit #2 from 2019-21 and he’s only 29.
Can he get back there? Let’s find out.
But to compare this to Kluber is just lazy.
This off-season is depressing. I mean this is the best we can do?Hey this might help us finish 25 games out of first, not 26 - that’s not nothing.
It continues to feel like Boston is simply plugging holes with gum to field a team, not to get back to somewhat contendership, to me.
Because its just the team spinning its wheels. Are we trying to build another championship team? Do we think the 2024 edition is has a decent chance of being a championship team? Is Giolito going to be a productive member of the next championship team?I don’t really get the concern of him pitching well and leaving after a year. It would be fantastic if he had a great year! We’ll worry about 25 later.
The offseason ended?This off-season is depressing. I mean this is the best we can do?