2013 Jets: Rex back for 2014
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My thoughts on Brady Quinn signing:
This is really more for Quinn to play McElroy's "mentor" role for Geno, rather than as a viable QB option after Smith & Sanchez (that honor would go to Simms). As we saw during the Jovan Belcher tragedy in Kansas City, he's a mature and thoughtful veteran who can babysit Smith.
This also could mean Smith's ankle injury is more significant than media's led to believe. Eisen relayed a story during his podcast that when the injury happened, Warren Sapp turned around and said "that's the worst kind of an ankle injury" and "I'd rather have broken my ankle -- believe me, I know about ankle injuries". If true, Geno has the dreaded high ankle injury that may effect him all season long.
There's absolutely no reason for Sanchez to be cut, as discussed previously on this thread. I still contend that unless Sanchez is a divisive presence in the locker room, and there are no evidence to support that, he makes it through the season no matter how far he is on the depth chart.
This is really more for Quinn to play McElroy's "mentor" role for Geno, rather than as a viable QB option after Smith & Sanchez (that honor would go to Simms). As we saw during the Jovan Belcher tragedy in Kansas City, he's a mature and thoughtful veteran who can babysit Smith.
This also could mean Smith's ankle injury is more significant than media's led to believe. Eisen relayed a story during his podcast that when the injury happened, Warren Sapp turned around and said "that's the worst kind of an ankle injury" and "I'd rather have broken my ankle -- believe me, I know about ankle injuries". If true, Geno has the dreaded high ankle injury that may effect him all season long.
There's absolutely no reason for Sanchez to be cut, as discussed previously on this thread. I still contend that unless Sanchez is a divisive presence in the locker room, and there are no evidence to support that, he makes it through the season no matter how far he is on the depth chart.
So as we all already knew Geno is starting. Sounds like Holmes will play as well.
Bucs are 3 point favorites. They should be higher then that. This Jets team won't win 5 games this year.
Bucs are 3 point favorites. They should be higher then that. This Jets team won't win 5 games this year.
Geno may start, but Sanchez still very much in the news.
Embattled QB fears team may put him on IR:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2013/09/04/mark-sanchez-fears-injured-reserve/2761357/
From Rex: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/sanchez_era_circling_the_drain_udEwWewEPi6c3DuWYA3MIM
Embattled QB fears team may put him on IR:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2013/09/04/mark-sanchez-fears-injured-reserve/2761357/
From Rex: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/sanchez_era_circling_the_drain_udEwWewEPi6c3DuWYA3MIM
SeoulSoxFan said:
And what if they did? What difference, from a practical perspective, does it possibly make to Sanchez?
Sanchez is such a fucking dope. Does he still not grasp the fact that everyone is tip-toeing around the fact that he sucks? Is he still reading everything that Rex and the team say about him at face value? Is it just dawning on him now that he might not ever start again for the Jets?
"Oh, hey, Mark, we uh....we need to try a new direction, here, you understand right?"
"Yea, coach. Sure. New Direction. Right. But I'm still the QB of the team, right?"
"Um...well, technically, YES, you are STILL a QB of the NY Jets. Right. But, uh...like I said, you aren't going to be playing for awhile."
"Yea, I get it. New Direction. But I'm the leader, right?"
"Sure. Yea. Hmmm. YES. You are STILL a LEADER of this team."
"And, I mean, after you go in this NEW direction, you will go back to the OLD direction. I get it."
"Well, Mark, that's the thing. I don't think we WILL."
"Well, after you play Geno for awhile to make the press happy, you'll put me back in. I get it coach. Me and you, coach."
"FOR FUCK'S SAKE, MARK! YOU'RE BEING BENCHED FOREVER! GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SKULL YOU IDIOT!"
That really wouldn't piss me off at all nor do I know any Jets fans that would be "pissed" about that.
As a Patriots fan, I'm with Sean here. I know I would be the pissed one were Mark Sanchez to be signed by the Patriots personally.
I think Sanchez has been so mismanaged, that he's now a candidate as a future reclamation project as a possible #2.
drleather2001 said:
Considering what he's seen as competition during training camp, why wouldn't he think he could still win the starting job back? Sanchez still has an opportunity to prove himself the least shitty option by the end of the season which could do wonders for his ensuing backup career.
I think they would be nuts to put Sanchez on IR. If Geno is terrible or gets hurt (again), at least they can work an offense to Mark's strengths and try and get a 5th rounder out for him after the season.
bankshot1 said:
Given that his biggest problem has been decision making, I'm not really sure he's able to be reclamated.
Dogman2 said:
Normally I'd say yes, but if Geno is also hurt I AM putting Sanchez on IR and go for the Clowney/Bridgewater sweepstakes.
I've got Jets as a 6-win team and being in the NY market means they won't "officially" tank, but if Geno's out then I would consider:
1) Firing Rex mid-season
2) Putting Sanchez on IR
3) Trading Cromartie (currently on a 4yr, $32m contract signed before 2011 season)
Good points. Although, his line is gonna be terrible so even if Mark play's slightly better than his career averages, that isn't going to translate to wins. It may translate to a late round pick.
Sanchez has been a #2 already for some time, which correlates well with the concept of a butt-fumble.bankshot1 said:
I wouldn't be pissed.CrouchingTonyHiddenPena said:
As terrible as Sanchez is, he'd make more sense than Tebow did as a back-up QB candidate.
But more than anything, I'd be curious to see if Tom could muster up the bouquet of niceties he just hurled at the press regarding Tebow after the Pats dumped Marky Mark.
With Mallett's future with the Pats beyond '14 undecided, and Sanchez all but gone as a Jet, what's the downside to bring him in (like
Tebow) on short money, and assess his skills set with a team that has some assets for him to work with, and rebuild his confidence. If he sucks he's gone, but if he's reclaimable, i could see Sanchez as Brady's back-up thus freeing up the Pats to potentially deal Mallett, or possibly deal a recycled Sanchez..
I live about 5 miles from the Jets NJ facility and socialize with Jet fans and IMO it would burn their ass if Sanchez met with any degree of success with BB's crew.
Tebow) on short money, and assess his skills set with a team that has some assets for him to work with, and rebuild his confidence. If he sucks he's gone, but if he's reclaimable, i could see Sanchez as Brady's back-up thus freeing up the Pats to potentially deal Mallett, or possibly deal a recycled Sanchez..
I live about 5 miles from the Jets NJ facility and socialize with Jet fans and IMO it would burn their ass if Sanchez met with any degree of success with BB's crew.
Rex said "I think our guys are ready to rally around Gino."
At the Alamo, Travis said "I think our guys are ready to rally around Davy Crockett" and considering how that turned out, this has disaster written all over it, minus Santa Anna and his 4,000 or so pissed off Mexicans.
At the Alamo, Travis said "I think our guys are ready to rally around Davy Crockett" and considering how that turned out, this has disaster written all over it, minus Santa Anna and his 4,000 or so pissed off Mexicans.
Well played.singaporesoxfan said:
And Jets fans would be lining up on any and all available NY bridges if Sanchez winds up here and makes the team.
Jesus Christ, no they fucking wouldn't. They'd be happy to get rid of his massive stupid fucking contract.
I dunno, I read as him being a normal professional athlete that wants to play and not sit around all season.
If Sanchez isn't a future Raider, I don't know who is...
I can just see him behind a podium, exclaiming while sporting a silver headband, "Just win, baby!"
I can just see him behind a podium, exclaiming while sporting a silver headband, "Just win, baby!"
Dick Pole Upside said:
All indications are that the Raiders are done with that approach. Unless Sanchez is released and they can bring him in for nothing, the Raiders are going to spend 2013 and 2014 losing games, shedding salary, and figuring out how to do better in the draft.
Sanchez is probably not so bad if he had better weapons around him. Holmes was obviously out and Keller also had injuries last year - he needs a guy like Keller at least to dump-off to. This isn't the best measure, but his average passer rating last year in games Keller played in was 82.9 and in games Keller missed was 55.1.
Jeremy Kerley had 56 catches to lead the team and no one else caught more than 30 passes.
I think with good coaching and lesser expectations / media attention, he could be a totally fine #2 who can fill in for a minor injury totally well. I doubt he'll ever be an Alex Smith but who knows.
Jeremy Kerley had 56 catches to lead the team and no one else caught more than 30 passes.
I think with good coaching and lesser expectations / media attention, he could be a totally fine #2 who can fill in for a minor injury totally well. I doubt he'll ever be an Alex Smith but who knows.
Exactly. They'd be about as mad as we would if the Sox released Dempster and he signed with the Yankees. Please don't throw me in the briar patch.Old Fart Tree said:
Assuming Geno Smith survives his baptism this year, (even if he doesn't) Sanchez is gone. There is no guaranteed money beyond this year, but if he makes the Jets in '14 he gets $11.5 million. That ain't happening. Jet fans might as well hold the wake for Sanchez, as his body grows colder by the minute.
Toe Nash said:
This is interesting to ponder.
If you look at his stats out of his 4 years in the league (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm) his 2010 numbers stand out. This is when (arguably) he had the best cast around him:
- Best TD-to-INT ratio of his career
- 2nd best QB rating (75.3) of his career
- Best QBR rating (48.02) of his career
- 11-5 reg. record, best of his career
I think this is due to the fact that in 2010, he also led the league in dropped INT, and by a huge margin. Aaron Schatz at Football Outsiders once tweeted:
If you add 7 (15 dropped INT minus 8, next "luckiest" QB) to his 2010 INT numbers (while keeping his attempts, completions, passing yards, and TDs the same) his QB rating drops to 69.56, closer to his rookie number (63.0), and last year (66.9) than his best year in 2011 (78.2).
By the way, in 2010, even his actual rating of 75.3 had him among this fine group of QBs:
- Sam Bradford: 76.5
- Charlie Batch: 76.2
- Kevin Kolb: 76.1
- Chad Henne: 75.4
- "Luckiest" Mark Sanchez: 75.3
- Colt McCoy: 74.5
- Matt Hasselback: 73.2
- Brett Favre: 69.9
- "2nd luckiest" Mark Sanchez: 69.6
- Bruce Gradkowski: 66.3
Sure QB rating is an imperfect tool, but I think Sanchez has always been Sanchez, a very average to below-average QB that at best doesn't lose games for you -- even with a solid roster behind him.
I've been saying for years how badly Mark Sanchez sucks.
He sucks.
At everything except banging women. He's doing quite well there.
He sucks.
At everything except banging women. He's doing quite well there.
I can't wait for the Jets to trade for Matt Flynn so someone can (barely) beat him out next year.
My problem with Sanchez is, what's the upside? Ryan Mallet might stink, but he has an arm you can dream on. Tim Tebow is awful, but you can imagine that with his running ability and leadership if he just had a little accuracy and could make better reads he could be an effective read-option-type guy.
What's the upside scenario for Sanchez? Maybe Alex Smith? Andy Dalton? In addition to a low chance of reaching his ceiling, the ceiling itself seems pretty low.
What's the upside scenario for Sanchez? Maybe Alex Smith? Andy Dalton? In addition to a low chance of reaching his ceiling, the ceiling itself seems pretty low.
glennhoffmania said:
Is this kid retarded? How on earth could you even say that? Not only it's disrespectful to Revis, it will bring about questions over his commitment to film study. Honestly, I have no clue what he was hoping to achieve with that quote.
Sanchez' hope has to be that Smith craps out after a handful of games, he gets healthy and comes in and plays well, putting him in line for Jets job next year or making him a viable FA starter for someone else. If he's on IR, he instead goes into offseason with no realistic chance of being better than part of a QB competion somewhere with 1-2 serious competitors. So I understand why he doesn't want to be on the IR.
If I'm the Jets, I would really have wanted someone else to start the first handful of games, even if I planned to have Geno be the primary starter later this year. The number of rookie qbs who truly take to it right away is not huge, and so I wouldn't bet on that. But they have badly mismanaged the QB spot for years, so it isn't all that surprising either.
I would not expect the Pats to have the slightest interest in Sanchez next year, and doubt most Jets fans would consider it a bad thing if he were.
If I'm the Jets, I would really have wanted someone else to start the first handful of games, even if I planned to have Geno be the primary starter later this year. The number of rookie qbs who truly take to it right away is not huge, and so I wouldn't bet on that. But they have badly mismanaged the QB spot for years, so it isn't all that surprising either.
I would not expect the Pats to have the slightest interest in Sanchez next year, and doubt most Jets fans would consider it a bad thing if he were.
There's 4.8 million of dead money left for Sanchez after this season so they're going to try to trade him, fail because everyone knows he's getting cut, and then cut him. (There's 2.5 million in workout and roster bonuses on his contract so they'll want to cut him before they have to pay any of that.) He should catch on somewhere as a veteran backup--he's started and won games--but I'd be shocked if anyone viewed him as a potential high end starter at this point: he's had every chance in the world and he's still throwing picks on screen passes and there's really no reason to think he's eventually going to turn into a smart football player.
Super Nomario said:
Yes they are on the hook, sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm not sure if they're going to be able to push any until 2015--it depends a bit on when the roster and workout bonuses can be earned and whether they could cut him on day one of the season but designate it a June cut without paying bonuses. Those are questions for Otto.
Geno to face Revis, Schefter confirms:
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/376494670219452417
What's over/under on INTs - 2.5?
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/376494670219452417
What's over/under on INTs - 2.5?
Have you been living under a rock? Have you just discovered the wonderful sport called American football?
Here's a pretty accurate (and painful) recap of everything that happened in the last 18 years in Jets land:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9638428/the-new-york-jets-nfl-hell
Here's my favorite part:
Here's a pretty accurate (and painful) recap of everything that happened in the last 18 years in Jets land:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9638428/the-new-york-jets-nfl-hell
Here's my favorite part:
I don't care if it's the Jets, Patriots, Iowa Barnstormers, or Toronto Argonauts. Giving a 15 yard penalty to allow the Jets into field goal range is an embarrassment.
By the way, I'm not upset that the Jets won. The team isn't good and won't make the playoffs, so the more wins they get pushes them further up the board in the draft. If that play had occurred in the third quarter, I probably wouldn't have cared. But to basically hand a team a game because of a late push out of bounds? Weak.
By the way, I'm not upset that the Jets won. The team isn't good and won't make the playoffs, so the more wins they get pushes them further up the board in the draft. If that play had occurred in the third quarter, I probably wouldn't have cared. But to basically hand a team a game because of a late push out of bounds? Weak.
One of my customers is Jets fan and right after they "won" that game, he texted me and said "Thursday night, first place in the AFC East up for grabs; how do you like them apples?"
Poor bastard.
If I'm Schiano, I dont let that fucking moron get on the plane home. Cut him and leave him in Newark, he deserves no less.
Berry was at the game today, he should have some interesting observations.
Berry was at the game today, he should have some interesting observations.