2015 Bills: Go Rex Go

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mwonow

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Talk about damning with faint praise: "“You can win with Tyrod if the other pieces are good,” Polian said. “If there are six or seven Pro Bowlers at other positions, you can win with Tyrod."

So basically, if you're the Panthers, or maybe the Pats, Cards or Seahawks, Taylor would be okay at QB...
 

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How is it not the players' fault if they can't grasp a complex system? Or is Polian saying if your players are dumb you have to dumb things down?
 

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How is it not the players' fault if they can't grasp a complex system? Or is Polian saying if your players are dumb you have to dumb things down?
Its on the players to grasp, but Polians an idiot. The players don't match the scheme. People thought Rex would do the right thing an adjust his scheme, instead he's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

The scheme really isn't the issue. Rotate a LB to rush based on offensive line formation, occasionally drop a lineman into coverage. The Bills don't have a versatile OLB like Suggs, their linemen's strength isn't 2-gap, and they're DE's should set the edge, not play on the interior line or have to play with their hand out of the dirt on the outside.

Rex just had to get the fuck out of his own way, and he decided to shove his ego in front of the team. Really, how more people not named SJH didn't see this coming is surprising.
 

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Its on the players to grasp, but Polians an idiot. The players don't match the scheme. People thought Rex would do the right thing an adjust his scheme, instead he's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

The scheme really isn't the issue. Rotate a LB to rush based on offensive line formation, occasionally drop a lineman into coverage. The Bills don't have a versatile OLB like Suggs, their linemen's strength isn't 2-gap, and they're DE's should set the edge, not play on the interior line or have to play with their hand out of the dirt on the outside.

Rex just had to get the fuck out of his own way, and he decided to shove his ego in front of the team. Really, how more people not named SJH didn't see this coming is surprising.
How the owners didn't see this coming is more amazing. They ran a really effective 4-3 last year. Rex has always run a 3-4 with all those idiotic exotic blitzes and whatnot specifically designed for Rex to wave his pale flaccid dick around when they get a couple of sacks. Gee, you think that players brought in for one (really effective) scheme might be ill-suited for a completely different one? You don't say.

Rex is too much of a raging asshole narcissist to adjust his scheme to fit the players. Next year, if they dump Mario Williams ($7 million cap hit if they do) I fully expect Rex to spend the whole year blaming WIlliams for this year's defensive collapse. That is, if Rex is still there next year.

The Bills are a complete fiasco and it's all due to bringing in Rex. Merry Fucking Christmas everybody!
 

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The funniest thing about this is that Mehta, a total Jet fanboy, totally whiffed on how good the Jets could be with a solid coach and without Rexy around.
Mehta was just on WEEI and was asked who's a better coach Rex Or Bowles. His answer was one coach has 4 playoff victories and the other hasn't even been to the playoffs.
 

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Mehta was just on WEEI and was asked who's a better coach Rex Or Bowles. His answer was one coach has 4 playoff victories and the other hasn't even been to the playoffs.
Some guys are really good at what they do (e.g., Felger). Other guys are simply not intelligent. Mehta and Tanguay are like 1A and 1B in terms of media stupidity.
 

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If Rexy stayed with the Jets and the Bills hired Bowles, what would their respective records be right now? I'd guess Buf 8-6, Jets 6-8.
 

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I was dropped on my head as a child and there's no way I'd ever say anything that stupid.
Well, in fairness, that could simply be a way of saying that one guy has had some success in the NFL and the other hasn't even completed his first full season so it's hard to even discuss at this point. But in truth, that probably isn't what Mehta meant.
 
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They can't flex week 17 games, right?
I think they pick a week 17 game, the day after week 16 concludes, to flex to SNF on NBC. They haven't made their SNF selection yet, as you can see from the official schedule. They try to pick a game that is essentially a playoff game, ideally one that is win-and-you're-in for both teams. Failing a quasi-playoff game, they'll pick a game between two playoff teams that has seeding implications for both sides, or at least a game where a team controls its own destiny regardless of what else happens earlier in the day.

Current top candidates look like Vikings-Packers (seeding / NFC North title), Seahawks-Cardinals (seeding), or maybe they'd take Steelers-Browns on the hope that one of KC or the Jets would lose earlier on, giving the Steelers control. Bills-Jets is at least a plausible pick, but the AFC West may be more interesting depending on what happens tomorrow night.
 

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I think they pick a week 17 game, the day after week 16 concludes, to flex to SNF on NBC. They haven't made their SNF selection yet, as you can see from the official schedule. They try to pick a game that is essentially a playoff game, ideally one that is win-and-you're-in for both teams. Failing a quasi-playoff game, they'll pick a game between two playoff teams that has seeding implications for both sides, or at least a game where a team controls its own destiny regardless of what else happens earlier in the day.

Current top candidates look like Vikings-Packers (seeding / NFC North title), Seahawks-Cardinals (seeding), or maybe they'd take Steelers-Browns on the hope that one of KC or the Jets would lose earlier on, giving the Steelers control. Bills-Jets is at least a plausible pick, but the AFC West may be more interesting depending on what happens tomorrow night.

I think the two most likely choices would be MIN/Gb (dependent on tonight's game) or NYJ/bills. Viewership of the final Nbc game might be as much as a factor as seeding.
 

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I think the two most likely choices would be MIN/Gb (dependent on tonight's game) or NYJ/bills. Viewership of the final Nbc game might be as much as a factor as seeding.

Does NY/Buff pkay well outside of the Northeast? I would think Vikes/Pack would be the choice
 

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Rex coming back. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000612634/article/buffalo-bills-confirm-rex-ryan-doug-whaley-will-stay
"As our first full season as owners of the Buffalo Bills draws to a close, management, coaches, players, and fans all feel that our expectations were not met," Pegula wrote.

"Kim (Pegula), Russ (Brandon) and I look forward to working and collaborating with Doug Whaley and Rex Ryan in forming a winning future for the organization," Pegula continued. "Our management team and coaching staff are very capable and work well together. This stable foundation is necessary to achieve long term success in the NFL."
 

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I am trying to imagine the colossal egos involved that are so unwilling to admit they made a mistake in his hire that they're willing to sink yet another couple of years of their franchise's history just so they don't look bad. Rex is a fool, but the Pegulas are his enablers.
 

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Rex is the bizarro Bear Bryant, of whom Bum Phillips said, "He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n."

For Rex, "He can take his'n and get beat by your'n and take your'n and get beat by his'n."
 

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Rex is the bizarro Bear Bryant, of whom Bum Phillips said, "He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n."

For Rex, "He can take his'n and get beat by your'n and take your'n and get beat by his'n."
Not arguing with the thought, but I think Phillips was talking about Don Shula
 

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I am trying to imagine the colossal egos involved that are so unwilling to admit they made a mistake in his hire that they're willing to sink yet another couple of years of their franchise's history just so they don't look bad. Rex is a fool, but the Pegulas are his enablers.
I wonder whether there's a chance Pegula reverses course on this over the offseason. He has the core of a playoff team there – playmakers on offense (McCoy, Watkins) what seems to be a decent OL, a lot of talent on defense and, in Rex's only success of the year, a QB in Taylor who has demonstrated that he can be at least somewhat competent.

But in Rex he has a coach that seems to make one or two strategic errors every game, who is incapable of getting his team to play disciplined and refuses adjust his schemes to his personnel. Oh and it appears he's lost the locker room.

Pegula and Whaley have to know all this – I just wonder whether they will admit it to themselves once the offseason begins in earnest.
 

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I am trying to imagine the colossal egos involved that are so unwilling to admit they made a mistake in his hire that they're willing to sink yet another couple of years of their franchise's history just so they don't look bad. Rex is a fool, but the Pegulas are his enablers.
It'll cost them about 22 million to fire him; there's more than just ego keeping him employed
 

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It'll cost them about 22 million to fire him; there's more than just ego keeping him employed
They'll damage the value of their franchise by far more than $22 million by keeping him around and watching their team continue to embarrass themselves while missing the playoffs for the 300th consecutive season.

They had a great 4-3 defense last year with Schwartz as DC and promptly hired a guy that has always run a 3-4 and would be too stubborn/stupid to change his scheme to match the players he has. Rex made Mario Williams as useless as tits on a bull with his schemes.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: Pegula hired him because it was a popular move and because it would sell tickets, not because it would improve the product on the field. That's a pretty clear sign of where his real priorities lie.
 

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I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him canned this offseason and if not, very early next season when they predictably suck. How many times in the past have we seen coaches and GMs get the dreaded vote of confidence from ownership only to be let go soon after?
 

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I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him canned this offseason and if not, very early next season when they predictably suck. How many times in the past have we seen coaches and GMs get the dreaded vote of confidence from ownership only to be let go soon after?
Ben Cherington, white courtesy phone. Ben Cherington, white courtesy phone.
 

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They'll damage the value of their franchise by far more than $22 million by keeping him around and watching their team continue to embarrass themselves while missing the playoffs for the 300th consecutive season.

They had a great 4-3 defense last year with Schwartz as DC and promptly hired a guy that has always run a 3-4 and would be too stubborn/stupid to change his scheme to match the players he has. Rex made Mario Williams as useless as tits on a bull with his schemes.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: Pegula hired him because it was a popular move and because it would sell tickets, not because it would improve the product on the field. That's a pretty clear sign of where his real priorities lie.
Keep in mind that Pegula has an enormous amount of goodwill banked in western NY because he's basically kept pro sports there--Buffalo, Rochester, etc. would much rather have hockey and football teams that finishe last in Buffalo than root for one that finishes higher in Toronto or some other further-flung city. He's never impressed me as being a savvy team owner, but neither has he ever impressed as being some grab-the-cash carpetbagger.
 

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I'm not a Ryan fan and the season was disappointing for the Bills. However, if Pegula believed in Rex last season, I don't think this year had been nearly enough of a disaster to change Pegula's mind and move on after only giving him one season.
 

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Yeah, I looked it up before putting it out. I didn't want to mention Shula so opted for Bryant.
So, you knew he said it about two guys but reported it as being said about one guy because you don't like the other guy?
 

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That Sexy Rexy and Whaley are playing with that kind of ultimatum is glorious. First, just seeing Ryan under that kind of pressure is worth the price of admission by itself. He will be gripping the wheel with white knuckles even more than ever, which will only exacerbate all of his counter productive tendencies. Second, that Rexy's honeymoon period -- which looked so promising in the pre-season this year -- is over so quickly must be kind of emasculating for him. "Not only are you no longer the presumed savior, but you are coaching for your job, Mr. Ryan." Third, and most important, that Whaley and Rex will know that they NEED to win in 2016 will encourage short term thinking and exactly the opposite kind of planning for long term success which has been the hallmark of the BB era. Here's to them going all in and making moves that could hamper the Bills down the road.
 

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Rex's 2015 season is the perfect encapsulation of the phenomenon that is Rex. He beat the Jets twice and can claim a moral victory but missed the playoffs. Win the battle, lose the war. That's our Rex!
 

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I saw this on the CSN scroll this morning and just laughed for basically everything Theo laid out.

Unless something significant happens, they aren't winning the division, so Rex has 1 offseason to figure out how to get one of two wild card seeds. I think the Jets are a better team next year. I don't see 3 teams coming out of the East.

Obviously this is the NFL and anything can happen year to year (see Colts) but 4 games against the Pats and the Jets is a rough start to a one and done season for Rexy.
 

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This is the exact kind of ownership mindset you want within your division, hell I wish the Jets, Dolphins and Bills all had this pressure to mortgage the future for 1 run - unfortunately the Jets appear to now be run by competent people and the Dolphins seem to be stabilizing. I just love the institutional instability so many of these organizations put on their GM's and head coaches for immediate success, by the time they get their people and systems fully implemented its a minimum of 2 often 3 years so being forced to make the playoffs in year 2 is just beautiful to force stupid decisions especially with 1 10 win and 1 12 win team in the division...
 

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The Bills also have to play the AFC North and NFC West next year as opposed to the cupcake AFC South and NFC East they got year. Barring significant improvement, they're not making the playoffs.
 
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