No one locally is going to second-guess the organization if they miss the playoffs because they stuck by Osweiler? That was pretty clearly what I laid out as the circumstance for their to be a local impact.Peyton was so shitty this year that very few Bronco fans are pining for his return. The organization is not going to be reviled if they don't force him back in.
These are the things that I see Bronco fans pissed about or blaming the struggles on in various online places (ranked by frequency, most frequent up top):No one locally is going to second-guess the organization if they miss the playoffs because they stuck by Osweiler? That was pretty clearly what I laid out as the circumstance for their to be a local impact.
The rest of what I was talking about was the Manning marketing machine, and while it might not be a big issue locally, I'm sure Archie and Peyton's proxies won't be kind to Elway & Kubiak. That will be an issue in the national media, who will need to choose between golden boy (ex-)QBs.
Like I said, the Broncos better beat the Bengals, or it will get (awesomely) catty.
Plenty of fans want that. Just not Denver fans.Not many fans want Peyton back throwing picks down the stretch.
Good point!Plenty of fans want that. Just not Denver fans.
its broncos countryNot surprise there in my mind. Mark my words, Manning is not playing another down in his life. I wish it weren't the case because I did enjoy watching him go up in flames.
Spikes right, it's not like Bronco nation (if that's a thing) is burning up the sports talk radio lines demanding Manning come in and start slinging the ball around (to defensive backs and the occasional linebacker).
Tonight begins Brocktoberfest.It got a bit lost in all the HGH hoopla but Jay Glazer had an interesting report yesterday in which he claimed that the Broncos were "Brock Osweiler's team barring some sort of collapse" - meaning, one assumes that they were going to stick with Osweiler even if Peyton gets healthy next week - and that Elway was involved in the decision. I guess we'll see. Glazer has broken some Broncos-related stories in the past from what I recall so I think he may have decent sources here.
I remain impressed enough to want him back. The kid is playing behind the worst Tackles in football. Give him an average OL and more reps and I think he's solid. I still, after 6 starts, see him as a potential Joe Flacco type. Of course his price tag will be key.As a patriots fan, I really hope nights like this cause Elway to sign Osweiler to long-term deal. I am not terribly impressed. Am I wrong? What say you, Bronco Nation?
As a Raiders fan, I really hope they fuck up their negotiations with Osweiler and lose him, even if that means they keep Von Miller. I have been impressed by both his ability and poise in his first real playing time. Spike is right, their tackles are abysmal, their running backs have been terrible and he is basically a rookie. They are going to trade for Joe Thomas and are a perfect destination for a quality running back like Forte, so they will fix both of those problems that are holding Brock back right now. With a full offseason of prep as the starter, he is going to be very good next season, even if the defense is a little weaker after they lose young players like Jackson, Wolf and Travathian.As a patriots fan, I really hope nights like this cause Elway to sign Osweiler to long-term deal. I am not terribly impressed. Am I wrong? What say you, Bronco Nation?
Yeah, that's my take too. Unfortunately, a fairly likely scenario is that Elway convinces Osweiler to sign a somewhat undermarket deal based on Denver being a comfortable situation with a supportive head coach and a strong team. Osweiler will want to lock in money and get paid but this won't be his last contract so I can see him giving up some money in order to increase his chances of succeeding in the near term and therefore entrenching himself as an NFL starter for the next 6-10 years.As a Raiders fan, I really hope they fuck up their negotiations with Osweiler and lose him, even if that means they keep Von Miller. I have been impressed by both his ability and poise in his first real playing time. Spike is right, their tackles are abysmal, their running backs have been terrible and he is basically a rookie. They are going to trade for Joe Thomas and are a perfect destination for a quality running back like Forte, so they will fix both of those problems that are holding Brock back right now. With a full offseason of prep as the starter, he is going to be very good next season, even if the defense is a little weaker after they lose young players like Jackson, Wolf and Travathian.
The best case scenario for Broncos hater like me is that they fuck up the balance between retaining both Osweiler and Von Miller. Frankly, I would rather they were stuck in a Jets or Texans like QB limbo next season even if it means they keep their great defense from this year.
Even better, if you google "nfl passing leaders 2015" the first result is a link to the ESPN stats page pre-sorted by interceptions.Manning still leads the NFL in interceptions despite not playing the last 6.5 games, which is pretty hilarious.
sorry buddy i wouild fear the raiders long term but unless davis sells and they move to LA or get a new pad the NFL will make them no better than 9-7 denver will have around 42-46 mil to spend the way i see it is fran Von then lock him up in training camp then sign brock to a 3 y 45 mil deal then sign woife to 4 y 36 mil that leves about 8-12 mil $$ to use on a 1-cut RB or a RG RTAs a Raiders fan, I really hope they fuck up their negotiations with Osweiler and lose him, even if that means they keep Von Miller. I have been impressed by both his ability and poise in his first real playing time. Spike is right, their tackles are abysmal, their running backs have been terrible and he is basically a rookie. They are going to trade for Joe Thomas and are a perfect destination for a quality running back like Forte, so they will fix both of those problems that are holding Brock back right now. With a full offseason of prep as the starter, he is going to be very good next season, even if the defense is a little weaker after they lose young players like Jackson, Wolf and Travathian.
The best case scenario for Broncos hater like me is that they fuck up the balance between retaining both Osweiler and Von Miller. Frankly, I would rather they were stuck in a Jets or Texans like QB limbo next season even if it means they keep their great defense from this year.
I agree that this is probably something that can be helped with experience/coaching. I hate the Broncos but I think they just might have something here with Brock. He certainly doesn't seem to suck, and that's a good starting point.To be fair, Brock Osweiler's efficiency ranks around Bradford and Bridgewater, but by my eyes, Brock has shown flashes of talent. He's mobile, can throw on the run, and is generally careful with the ball. One glaring problem, IMHO, is that Brock doesn't go through progressions well. On any given play, he appears to lock on to a single receiver, even if that receiver is well covered. Good coaching may overcome such a flaw, and Kubiak has worked with good QBs in the past (e.g. the vastly underrated Matt Schaub).
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np its all over denver broncos . com + plus denver broncos.com lets u view every media guide since 1960Thank you for the correction J!
Don't worry about the Raiders, they will be fine, they have a QB, several young pieces, Khalil Mack, 9 draft picks and $90M in cap room.sorry buddy i wouild fear the raiders long term but unless davis sells and they move to LA or get a new pad the NFL will make them no better than 9-7 denver will have around 42-46 mil to spend the way i see it is fran Von then lock him up in training camp then sign brock to a 3 y 45 mil deal then sign woife to 4 y 36 mil that leves about 8-12 mil $$ to use on a 1-cut RB or a RG RT
Not sure how where the Raiders play impacts their record. Long term it is probably better for the franchise to be in LA or somewhere like it for financial reasons, but do for the next few years Derek Carr can throw TDs as easily in Oakland as he can in LA, and the massive cap space they have can be spent either place.sorry buddy i wouild fear the raiders long term but unless davis sells and they move to LA or get a new pad the NFL will make them no better than 9-7 RT
Oz: 14-22, 232, 1-2"Peyton Manning will absolutely be the starter for the Broncos in the playoffs." - Phil Simms
ESPN will be insufferable… Not sure about FS1Wow, Manning with 5 completions and all is right with the NFL world. Let the ball washing begin.
KC would probably crush Denver.Unless, of course, Cincy holds serve and Denver gets Hou/KC.
How is Denver going to play the 3 seed? You mean after Cincy beats us?Denver's gonna get Cincy. We'll see how that goes. This is a weird season... Have there ever been worse looking 1-2 seeds in the AFC in recent memory? Denver's QB situation is, uh, fluid, and the Pats O-Line looks like that of a 6-10 team. The conference is wide open.
How? I thought the #2 gets the highest seed?Denver's gonna get Cincy. We'll see how that goes. This is a weird season... Have there ever been worse looking 1-2 seeds in the AFC in recent memory? Denver's QB situation is, uh, fluid, and the Pats O-Line looks like that of a 6-10 team. The conference is wide open.