2016 Bills: BRexit

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I agree--I think there will be some great nuggets from him, but they'll be sandwiched by fact-stretching narratives and ax-grinding baloney. The only coach in Rex's tier on tv is Herm Edwards, right? All the other guys actually won something at some point.
To Herm's credit he was involved in one of the most famous plays in NFL History in the Miracle at the Meadowlands.

To be fair, he was also 54-74 as a head coach, so I think he's not even on Ryan's level.

At the end of the day, both will be known more for their press conferences than their coaching abilities.
 

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I think Buffalo will regret letting Tyrod go. He's not the problem.

I'm not saying Taylor's the perfect QB, but his agility/running ability, plus deep ball, and propensity to avoid turnovers (very few interceptions), make him pretty effective. You can win with him.
 

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I think Buffalo will regret letting Tyrod go. He's not the problem.

I'm not saying Taylor's the perfect QB, but his agility/running ability, plus deep ball, and propensity to avoid turnovers (very few interceptions), make him pretty effective. You can win with him.
I don't watch a ton of Bills games because they're never on TV and the RedZone never shows them since they suck, but what's the deal with Taylor? Every time I've seen him play he doesn't seem to be the problem at all. He's not the best QB, but he seems decent enough with the abilities you have listed.

He seems to be the least of their problems.
 

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BTW mind kudos to the Bills ownership for seeing through the fraud of Rex and canning his dumb ass after 2 years. He never should have been hired in the first place, of course, but pulling the plug on his act after two years at least shows some football acumen.
Extra kudos for not letting him coach against the Jets, likely winning, and possibly starting to second guess the decision.
Cut bait and move on
 

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I don't watch a ton of Bills games because they're never on TV and the RedZone never shows them since they suck, but what's the deal with Taylor? Every time I've seen him play he doesn't seem to be the problem at all. He's not the best QB, but he seems decent enough with the abilities you have listed.

He seems to be the least of their problems.
He's serviceable. I'd rather have Taylor for his next contract than Cousins for his next contract or gamble on Mike Glennon or whatever else the Bills are going to have for options.
 

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I don't watch a ton of Bills games because they're never on TV and the RedZone never shows them since they suck, but what's the deal with Taylor? Every time I've seen him play he doesn't seem to be the problem at all. He's not the best QB, but he seems decent enough with the abilities you have listed.

He seems to be the least of their problems.
They aren't getting rid of Taylor. They are benching him to keep him from getting injured in a meaningless game when they would still owe him almost $40 million over the rest of his contract, and calling it a 'business decision.' You are absolutely correct that he isn't the problem, and honestly, if they can get their receivers healthy and get a good tight end, they are probably an above average/top-10 offense again next year. It's the defense that sucked (which is probably why the brothers Ryan got canned, since the defense was supposed to be a strength).
 

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They aren't getting rid of Taylor. They are benching him to keep him from getting injured in a meaningless game when they would still owe him almost $40 million over the rest of his contract, and calling it a 'business decision.' You are absolutely correct that he isn't the problem, and honestly, if they can get their receivers healthy and get a good tight end, they are probably an above average/top-10 offense again next year. It's the defense that sucked (which is probably why the brothers Ryan got canned, since the defense was supposed to be a strength).
Right, they are not letting Taylor go. They are wisely trying to put their new coach (whoever that is) in the best position to win next year by eliminating the possibility that their salary cap is tied up on an injured quarterback.
 

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I can't understand this comment at all. Rex is like the polar opposite of BB in all respects. He has an insatiable need to put himself in the spotlight, he's full of bluster and refuses to take accountability when things are going poorly, and takes all of the credit when they go well. On top of this there really isn't any recent evidence that he's good at coaching defense at this point.

There's zero chance of this happening, thankfully.
A bit higher than zero. I don't see it happening because Pats have gone younger at coordinator positions of late and BB would probably have his pick of young guys looking for a bump to coordinator. Plus, does Rex embrace the demotion? Ego sublimation would be the least part of it, I think, especially in NE. People forget but Rex kept his mouth shut and ran excellent defenses for years under Billick.

Finally, some network(s) runs to Rex with big bags of money, more than he can earn as a coordinator.
 

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I see TV as the more likely route too. He has to be tired of the "nerds" in the media questioning him on everything he does.
He's the real-life Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds... can't beat 'em, join 'em
 

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A bit higher than zero. I don't see it happening because Pats have gone younger at coordinator positions of late and BB would probably have his pick of young guys looking for a bump to coordinator. Plus, does Rex embrace the demotion? Ego sublimation would be the least part of it, I think, especially in NE. People forget but Rex kept his mouth shut and ran excellent defenses for years under Billick.

Finally, some network(s) runs to Rex with big bags of money, more than he can earn as a coordinator.
I don't know, I think maybe he just didn't have a podium at that point. Genie's out of the bottle now, he is Rex Ryan(TM) and—HC or DC—the press would act accordingly.

Of course, before ever getting to that point he'd have to answer for the fact that so many of his vaunted defenses were terrible.
 

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He'd never do it and BB won't take on the personality. But I just wonder if the personality was stripped away and Rex just could coach the defense how good it could work. Rex was a great D.C. in Baltimore but obviously had HOF talent to work with.
He's never been hands-on with his offenses and his defenses the last few years have sucked, including ones where he inherited excellent talent and tried to shove it into his scheme instead of fitting it to the players.

You know not every coach or player that's available has to come to the Patriots, right?
 

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Why sit Taylor and play McCoy, though? Shady's just as important than Taylor, if not more; and he's going to make close to 9 million per year the next 2 seasons. The way his contract's setup, he's not a realistic cut option until '19.
 

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Rex is famous for valuing his scheme over actual coaching. He basically says f- it. This is what I know, it got me this far. If you can beat my scheme, so be it. Rex took over a TOP 5 DEFENSE and made them mediocre. He has absolutely no one to blame for the defensive failings other than himself.

The offense managed to fire their coordinator, miss their best receiver for most of the year, and still put up top 10-12 numbers all season, including having the #1 rushing offense.

Rexit 2016.
 

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Right, they are not letting Taylor go. They are wisely trying to put their new coach (whoever that is) in the best position to win next year by eliminating the possibility that their salary cap is tied up on an injured quarterback.





I get this; but it also allows the new coach to come in and decide if Taylor's "his" type of QB. I think it's very possible the new coach could choose to opt out of Taylor's contract; and this move ensures that he'll have that option.
 

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Why sit Taylor and play McCoy, though? Shady's just as important than Taylor, if not more; and he's going to make close to 9 million per year the next 2 seasons. The way his contract's setup, he's not a realistic cut option until '19.
I believe that Taylor would have a $30 million guarantee kick in if he is injured. If you run the HC search right, you don't tether any candidates to Tyrod Taylor.
 

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Other than Herm Edwards (who only does radio??), all the other ex NFL coaches in major TV roles presently or in the recent past have championship pedigree: Johnson, Gibbs, Gruden, Cowher, Parcells, Ditka. It would be worth it just to hear them chide Rex for his lack of rings.
Even Billick.
 

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I believe that Taylor would have a $30 million guarantee kick in if he is injured. If you run the HC search right, you don't tether any candidates to Tyrod Taylor.
Correct, plus the Taylor contract is structured so if they decide to cut him this year, he'll only cost $2.5M against the cap.

Taylor will get a job somewhere though. He's better than some of the dreck that is being run out there every Sunday.
 

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I get this; but it also allows the new coach to come in and decide if Taylor's "his" type of QB. I think it's very possible the new coach could choose to opt out of Taylor's contract; and this move ensures that he'll have that option.
I get benching Taylor who, like others, I like quite a bit - -he's above average and should be kept.

But I don't see why you wouldn't play Jones over Manuel. There's been some talk about Jones showing stuff in practice and, even if not, a game of experience is something that has to help development.
 

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He'd never do it and BB won't take on the personality. But I just wonder if the personality was stripped away and Rex just could coach the defense how good it could work. Rex was a great D.C. in Baltimore but obviously had HOF talent to work with.
They have very different mentalities as to how to construct a defense. Belichick, as we all know, is bend-but-don't-break. There isn't a ton of blitzing and players are trained not to take chances. This seems to fly in the face of just about everything that Rex Ryan teaches his defense. It doesn't make one coach right or wrong, but they are very different mentalities.
 

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They have very different mentalities as to how to construct a defense. Belichick, as we all know, is bend-but-don't-break. There isn't a ton of blitzing and players are trained not to take chances. This seems to fly in the face of just about everything that Rex Ryan teaches his defense. It doesn't make one coach right or wrong, but they are very different mentalities.
It's funny, though - they are diametrically opposite in terms of aggressiveness, as you mention, but they are very compatible in many other dimensions. Rex runs multiple fronts and multiple coverages and game plans week-to-week (as opposed to an execution-based defense like Seattle). He has rarely had elite edge rush talent but manufactures pressure through deception and scheme, like Belichick's teams have tended to do. He has generally run one-high man-to-man-heavy defenses, as Patricia has primarily done in recent seasons. He places a high priority on run defense in the front six / seven. The aggressiveness might be a stumbling block and for ego / publicity reasons it would be tough to reconcile, but Rex is a more compatible DC option than most veteran DCs. Hell, Rob Ryan coached the LBs from 2000-2003.
 

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At least the Bills are keeping their G.M. around. I'm sure he will find the right coach soon.
 

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Bills were smart to rid themselves of not just Rex Ryan, but also his doofus brother Rob Ryan. In fact, just to be safe, they should really go ahead and purge all Ryans. SORRY RYAN GROY YOU ARE DONE
 

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I There's been some talk about Jones showing stuff in practice and, even if not, a game of experience is something that has to help development.
Perhaps because exposing Jones to live action could take off some of the rumor mill shine that helps make the job attractive?

The timing on this just seems weird. Is this about having 10 players on the field in overtime? Is this Rex refusing to have his QB benched by management?

I have two questions about Buffalo this weekend:

1. Is Anthony Lynn auditioning for the HC job this weekend, basically making this a Koetter / Lovie situation redux?

2. If this is true, does Lynn have the power to choose his qb, for this week or is ownership / Whaley making the call with the QB position?

And one more question. If Rex doesn't have a job, Rob is no more than a LB's coach at this point, right?