You know who came close?Has another player ever won 2 cfb and 2 superbowls?
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You know who came close?Has another player ever won 2 cfb and 2 superbowls?
Is Deion coming out of retirement?Not me, Ive avoided this thread for weeks because I assumed it was Prime related.
Seems to a decent amount of smoke here on Hightower returning.At least one team involved in talks with free-agent LB Dont'a Hightower is now convinced that he'll return to the Patriots.
Probably a bunch of guys but Russell Maryland with UMiami and Cowoys.Has another player ever won 2 cfb and 2 superbowls?
Tony Veland came out of Nebraska (2 titles) in the NFL draft in 1996, was drafted by the Broncos, won the first of two consecutive titles for Denver in 1997....and then didn't make the team the next year.You know who came close?
That should count as tampering!
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Incorrect. This is circumventing the cap which results in the loss of second round picks and two Super Bowls.That should count as tampering!
Vince came pretty close too.You know who came close?
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If he truly wanted to get NE worried, though, wouldn't he go to a team with a chance to compete?I don't buy it. I think this might be an attempt to squeeze a few more bucks out of NE.
As with Revis, dont underestimate the Jets' desire to win the all-important Back Page of the Tabloids Bowl by inflicting damage on NE, even it means inflicting damage on themselves.Jets aren't competing in the next few years, so I'm not sure why they'd even be interested. If he does leave, there are worse places from a competitive standpoint, that's for sure. My guess is agent posturing, but who knows.
Rich CiminiVerified account @RichCimini 2m2 minutes agoJets aren't competing in the next few years, so I'm not sure why they'd even be interested. If he does leave, there are worse places from a competitive standpoint, that's for sure. My guess is agent posturing, but who knows.
Because they are dumb and can more about tweaking New England than building a winnerJets aren't competing in the next few years, so I'm not sure why they'd even be interested. If he does leave, there are worse places from a competitive standpoint, that's for sure. My guess is agent posturing, but who knows.
Holy shit. If Hightower ends up with less guaranteed money than both of them I'm going to be amazed. There was a lot of talk (and i perpetuated it) that he was going to blow past Kuechly.Michael LombardiVerified account @mlombardiNFL 2h2 hours ago
Hightower turns 27 today is still looking for the deal that resembles Collins and Kuechly--at least in guarantees. For DH, ts about the deal
Jets being interested makes sense if you are looking to change the culture tho. Belichick has said that Hightower is a guy who does everything you ask, is a leader on the field and in the locker room and the only question is where you play him.
If I'm trying to get my team to change what it represents—me, me, me—signing a guy like DH makes a lot of sense. And I overpay to make it happen every time.
Doesn't hurt that it takes a bite out of my rival.
Wouldn't a guy leaving a championship team for a loser team to make a little more $ be an example of me me me guy (the other being a guy trying to pad stats).If I'm trying to get my team to change what it represents—me, me, me—signing a guy like DH makes a lot of sense. And I overpay to make it happen every time.
The difference being, McCourty signed before he technically was a free agentIt will be similar to how McCourty played out.
No. He would be a guy maximizing his earnings in a tough business. He can then play for the Jets, set a stellar example, put the team above individual stats, and generally do everything he can to help the team. But that's all after he gets paid. He would be a guy who prioritizes his earnings over playing for a winning team, but that is very different from being a "me me me" guy.Wouldn't a guy leaving a championship team for a loser team to make a little more $ be an example of me me me guy (the other being a guy trying to pad stats).
Thanks. $10mm a year, get it done Theo.Jason La Canfora
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With Dont'a Hightower there's a very strong perception among other teams he's going back to Pats for $10M/yr. The ties to NE run deep...
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For BB, not throwing in the extra million is the very definition of "on principle."Do FAs show medicals? If so, it makes you wonder how bad his might look if that's all he's getting.
Almost feel like Bill should throw another cool million his way to make it $11M just on principle.
Agreed. That part was a joke. I just meant that while Bill may rejoice in making the Charlie Casserly's and Jets of the world look foolish, he seems to place a fairly high value on not antagonizing players through the contract negotiation process. It's not perfect. Wilfork in the 2013 offseason is pretty much the last (and only?) time I remember a player being outright angry about a seemingly unfair offer coming his way – and whether because Vince went out and saw what other teams were willing to offer or because Bill upped his offer, they settled that.For BB, not throwing in the extra million is the very definition of "on principle."
I can't figure out how much Maryland actually played for his first Hurricane title team (1987).Probably a bunch of guys but Russell Maryland with UMiami and Cowoys.
Well, Vinatieri was a pretty well documented case of a player being frustrated by the way BB works. I'll look for the link when I get on a laptop, but he was quoted recently as saying that he left basically because he felt they had nickel and dimed him and gotten a lot of value, but wouldn't pay market at the end. Maybe they learned a lesson from that and have changed course.Agreed. That part was a joke. I just meant that while Bill may rejoice in making the Charlie Casserly's and Jets of the world look foolish, he seems to place a fairly high value on not antagonizing players through the contract negotiation process. It's not perfect. Wilfork in the 2013 offseason is pretty much the last (and only?) time I remember a player being outright angry about a seemingly unfair offer coming his way – and whether because Vince went out and saw what other teams were willing to offer or because Bill upped his offer, they settled that.
Plus, Reiss just wrote a column about Hightower and whether athletes want to or should come back to teams they don't feel value them highly enough – saying that in some cases, it's actually easier to take the same money from another team because it stings a little less.
At any rate, there are a lot of dynamics at play in negotiations to retain highly valued members of the team.
Sure, but that's not the issue. Would losing Hightower mean the difference between HFA deep into the playoffs?If the Jets land Hightower, they might win four games next season instead of four.
The cap has gone up 15% since Kuechly and Wagner signed those deals. Kuechly was also signed while still under contract for two more years. There was talk before free agency that Hightower was going to reset the market for inside linebackers. Collins got 4/50M and $12M each for the first two years. While it's not embarrassing, it would be surprising (to me at least) that he would not get more than $10M.I don't think $10 mil for an inside linebacker is at all embarassing---Only Kuechly gets materially above that among inside linebackers. http://overthecap.com/position/inside-linebacker/ I don't think many teams would think of Hightower as an edge rusher, which is where the money really is at LB.
OK, maybe Devonta Freeman now thinks of Hightower that way...
If the Jets land Hightower, they might win four games next season instead of four. Or maybe, just maybe, they might prevent Miami from going 8-8.
I just meant from the Jets perspective, what sense does it make to spend a ton of money on Hightower? Sure it would hurt the Pats to lose him.Sure, but that's not the issue. Would losing Hightower mean the difference between HFA deep into the playoffs?
Even if they just bid him up, they've helped themselves and the rest of the league... I'm not sure why he doesn't have an offer somewhere in the neighborhood of Collins (excepting Collins got the premium for agreeing to stay in Siberia).I just meant from the Jets perspective, what sense does it make to spend a ton of money on Hightower? Sure it would hurt the Pats to lose him.
As others have said, at a minimum Hightower can bring leadership and help set a tone. I'm sure they also expect to be competing towards the end of his contract.I just meant from the Jets perspective, what sense does it make to spend a ton of money on Hightower? Sure it would hurt the Pats to lose him.