Trump and Schillings outward views on Journalists and politics plays a big part in this since he was a borderline candidate to begin with.Hmmm, who's the better pitcher, schilling of Hoffman. It's really hard to take the BBWAA seriously sometimes
Trump and Schillings outward views on Journalists and politics plays a big part in this since he was a borderline candidate to begin with.Hmmm, who's the better pitcher, schilling of Hoffman. It's really hard to take the BBWAA seriously sometimes
I find it exceptionally unlikely that we haven't had steroid users in the Hall for quite a long period of time. Maybe 20 years or longer.With each passing year, the likelihood that we have a PED user in the Hall of Fame goes up. I suspect that's the main factor driving the surge in support for Bonds and Clemens.
They announced it over 90 Minutes ago.No link, but watching on MLB Network that Raines, Bagwell and Pudge are in.
Keep up the good work. We need you on that wall.No link, but watching on MLB Network that Raines, Bagwell and Pudge are in.
Joe Posnanski had a great blog entry on this very question yesterday. It basically boiled down to Pudge's otherworldly defense .. plus his longevity and general excellence at the plate but not a huge power guy - which is the skill one generally associates with PEDs. Basically .. "he may have used PEDs but they didn't make him a HOFamer."So why do we think Pudge was able to shake the steroid allegations so easily compared to other guys?
I think Vlad is a lock next year, but Hoffman might actually see his numbers go down as the voting group becomes more and more dominated by those who think only their way of looking at baseball is the right wayAre Hoffman and Vlad locks next year or do the incoming names and the other big names that gained serious momentum set them back a year or two?
Spending 350k on your body is today's nautilus machine.I find it exceptionally unlikely that we haven't had steroid users in the Hall for quite a long period of time. Maybe 20 years or longer.
Tom House was using them in the 70s, they were all over the NFL and there had to be some cross-pollination, and there's articles all over the place about how so-and-so bulked up with a Nautilus machine that look as suspicious today as TV broadcasters saying Darryl Strawberry couldn't play today due to some bad Chinese food.
If they aren't locks, they're as close to it as makes no difference.Are Hoffman and Vlad locks next year or do the incoming names and the other big names that gained serious momentum set them back a year or two?
And I don't think he shook them "easily." He only made it by four votes. Someone with his career should have been over 90%Joe Posnanski had a great blog entry on this very question yesterday. It basically boiled down to Pudge's otherworldly defense .. plus his longevity and general excellence at the plate but not a huge power guy - which is the skill one generally associates with PEDs. Basically .. "he may have used PEDs but they didn't make him a HOFamer."
While simultaneously becoming less and less dominated by those who think only their way of looking at baseball is the right way and being dead ass wrong about it.I think Vlad is a lock next year, but Hoffman might actually see his numbers go down as the voting group becomes more and more dominated by those who think only their way of looking at baseball is the right way
Hah! I knew that would get youWhile simultaneously becoming less and less dominated by those who think only their way of looking at baseball is the right way and being dead ass wrong about it.
Is there anyone nearing the end of their time on the ballot in 19 or 20?Chipper Jones and Jim Thome join the ballot and I would imagine they get in immediately for a four person class. I think the 2019 and 2020 classes are going to be interesting because there's only one guy coming in each year that you utterly have to vote for.
I don't know if Pudge used or not, but this is apologia at its finest. The effects of PED's certainly would make it more likely that you stay strong enough to stay on the field and catch 150 games a year, and as we saw throughout the PED era, they changed the trajectory of age-related decline, which certainly helps contribute to "longevity." If Pudge was a PED user, then they absolutely might have made him a HOFers.Joe Posnanski had a great blog entry on this very question yesterday. It basically boiled down to Pudge's otherworldly defense .. plus his longevity and general excellence at the plate but not a huge power guy - which is the skill one generally associates with PEDs. Basically .. "he may have used PEDs but they didn't make him a HOFamer."
Edit: link:
http://joeposnanski.com/ballot-9-ivan-rodriguez/
I forgot how great his Twitter account is. Quite the read.@JoseCanseco
How the f*** is Jeff Bagwell being inducted into the Hall of Fame and Mark mcgwire's not that is disgusting
Indeed!Jose Canseco chimes in on Bagwell's induction:
I forgot how great his Twitter account is. Quite the read.
bud selig gets an honorary needle in the ass as the leader of the ped era. Put that on his plaque
Easily in relation to Jeff Bagwell -- another guy where steroids are assumed but not confirmed. I assume the difference is "but Pudge wasn't a big power guy, so they obviously didn't help him much".And I don't think he shook them "easily." He only made it by four votes. Someone with his career should have been over 90%
Edgar and McGriff expire in '19, Walker in '20.Is there anyone nearing the end of their time on the ballot in 19 or 20?
I can see the stories now2020: Jeter, Clemens, Bonds
That surprises me, I thought he had a chance to make it. Baseball ref has the 16th best catcher ever. He deserves better. I use his stoic retreat to clubhouse, after Ortiz' game 4 walkoff as an example of kids I coach about how to handle defeat with equanimity and class.The good news is Posada at 3.9% is going to be off the next ballot.
What about peeing on your own hands?That surprises me, I thought he had a chance to make it. Baseball ref has the 16th best catcher ever. He deserves better. I use his stoic retreat to clubhouse, after Ortiz' game 4 walkoff as an example of kids I coach about how to handle defeat with equanimity and class.
Wasn't that Moises Alou?What about peeing on your own hands?
As far I can tell, Rodriguez is the first person inducted who has been accused on the record of steroid use by an alleged eyewitness/accomplice (Canseco). Piazza and Bagwell were suspected because of bulking up etc., but (at least in public) no one claimed to know for a fact that they were users. That is an interesting development. Yet he got in more easily than they did!So why do we think Pudge was able to shake the steroid allegations so easily compared to other guys?
A good craftsman never blames his toolsMy apologies, bad refresh made me miss the post where the inductees were named.
Take a look at the career leaders in K/BB ratio. A not-insignificant predictor of pitching success. The leaderboard goes:Two different positions, two different set of criteria.
Hoffman is the all time leader in a stat that, for better or worse, defines his position. Schilling can't make a claim like that.
I think it's just folks putting the PED era in some perspective. Bagwell had a career that should have put him on the ballot sometime in the first 3 years of eligibility. And it was probably Bagwell's case that finally got voters to start saying "You know, absent hard evidence, it's essentially impossible for us to determine who was clean or who wasn't. It's time to vote for the guys that have the stats, especially as MLB was essentially turning a blind eye to the problem".As far I can tell, Rodriguez is the first person inducted who has been accused on the record of steroid use by an alleged eyewitness/accomplice (Canseco). Piazza and Bagwell were suspected because of bulking up etc., but (at least in public) no one claimed to know for a fact that they were users. That is an interesting development. Yet he got in more easily than they did!
Yes Alou and Posada both did it to toughen up the skin on their hands.Wasn't that Moises Alou?
Lou Whittaker was at 117 and never made a second ballot, eitherPosada was a great player. He is at worst a borderline HOF candidate. Maybe he doesn't deserve to be in, but he raked for years. He is a career 122ops+, Jeter is 115, Andre Dawson is 119, Jim Rice is 128.
One major problem with Schilling was that as of the age of 33, his career record was 110-95. Had he retired then and there, he would have struggled to stay on the ballot more than a couple of years. I realize that W-L is meaningless when it comes to valuing pitchers, but the perception of Schilling at that point wasn't "potential Hall of Famer", but instead was "good pitcher who had a couple of nice seasons". And, it wasn't just W-L; he did not exceed 200 K's in a season until he was 30. It was also at that point he started to walk fewer batters. But then he started to tail off at age 32, and most assumed he was entering the twilight of his career.Hmmm, who's the better pitcher, schilling of Hoffman. It's really hard to take the BBWAA seriously sometimes
Joe Posnanski had a great blog entry on this very question yesterday. It basically boiled down to Pudge's otherworldly defense .. plus his longevity and general excellence at the plate but not a huge power guy - which is the skill one generally associates with PEDs. Basically .. "he may have used PEDs but they didn't make him a HOFamer."
Edit: link:
http://joeposnanski.com/ballot-9-ivan-rodriguez/
There will quite literally never be a unanimous player. Especially with votes becoming public soon, some writer won't vote simply to get clicks. Won't happen.I can hardly wait for the Jeter ball washing to start up again. Unanimous voted. The LeBatard fiasco fucked Maddux's chances IIRC.
It's been 100% at least since 1965 when Pud Galvin went in, likely earlier (Ruth probably used PEDs). There's no going up from that.With each passing year, the likelihood that we have a PED user in the Hall of Fame goes up.
Pre-greenies there were people like Pud (in 1889) using testosterone and other straight up steroids.It amazes me how easily greenies are swept away when voters stand on their PED soapbox.
I can guarantee that only a few pennies reside in the borough of ~5,000 nickels and dimes that comprises Montoursville.I think you're remembering that thing where Gammons heavily hinted at a player being a bigot and Rob Neyer outed it as Mussina based on the "evidence" Gammons did give.
Bud Selig is in but not Barry Bonds. Who did more to perpetuate roids in MLB?Tim Raines* is a HOFer but not Barry Bonds.
It's quite stupid indeed.
*I have zero beef with this, he is worthy
And VladyYes Alou and Posada both did it to toughen up the skin on their hands.