Didn’t work out for the Patriots in 1990.Some whispers going around (which don't sound too serious yet) that the Knicks might consider trading #3 to the Hawks for #8 and #10. Who would that trade favor, do you think?
Didn’t work out for the Patriots in 1990.Some whispers going around (which don't sound too serious yet) that the Knicks might consider trading #3 to the Hawks for #8 and #10. Who would that trade favor, do you think?
I mean if it includes Prince and a future first it’s not a bad deal. I like Barrett, but a future Hawks #1 is cash money.Some whispers going around (which don't sound too serious yet) that the Knicks might consider trading #3 to the Hawks for #8 and #10. Who would that trade favor, do you think?
Knicks want more young kids to pair with Kyrie? Worked well before.Some whispers going around (which don't sound too serious yet) that the Knicks might consider trading #3 to the Hawks for #8 and #10. Who would that trade favor, do you think?
For me, it's completely an eye-test thing combined with being pretty low on the other guys projected in the back half of the lottery. I completely realize he could be (and to date, has been) all sizzle and no steak, but his combination of strength, length, body control and functional athleticism, plus flashes of NBA-level handles and shot-making skill put his ceiling much higher than other guys in his range. It's similar to the argument for Jaylen Brown coming out of Cal: guy played poorly in a bad situation, but he has an NBA-ready body and potential to be a two-way player at a premium position in a weak draft. Though KPJ's red flags are more concerning than Jaylen's were, and his floor is "guy who fucks everything up whenever he's on the floor."Why is there so much interest in Kevin Porter Jr?
1. He wasn't a top 10 or even 20 recruit coming out of HS
2. He rarely started for a middling USC team in a middling conference
3. He averaged 9.5pt/gm
4. He shot 42% from 3 but 52% on FTs
5. He averaged more TO than assists
6. Off-court issues?
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2018/order/true
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4397140/kevin-porter-jr
It’s the absurd skill levels combined with sufficient athleticism to utilize them. The questions surrounding him are all about the space between his ears. It takes real work to get kicked off a major USC athletic team.Why is there so much interest in Kevin Porter Jr?
1. He wasn't a top 10 or even 20 recruit coming out of HS
2. He rarely started for a middling USC team in a middling conference
3. He averaged 9.5pt/gm
4. He shot 42% from 3 but 52% on FTs
5. He averaged more TO than assists
6. Off-court issues?
It's Beauchamp's third. But he can play. Reminds me a little of Shaun Livingston, before Livingston hurt his knee.Will Ranier be his third or fourth high school team? I've lost track. He really could be the next Kevin Porter Jr.
Source on the 6’2? He was 6’5.5 w/shoes with a 6’10 wingspan, per Givony.It's just weird, Porter never put up a 20pt game this year. Wasn't all that highly rated coming out of HS by several rating services. USC played a pedestrian schedule. You'd think he'd have at least one big game? What HS he played for means absolutely nothing after what he showed at USC.
Measured 6'2" w/out sneakers at NBA Combine.
I'm more interested in lots of other guys from 15-22 than Porter Jr.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/2019-nba-draft-prospect-profile-kevin-porter-jr
"Porter's NBA career may depend largely on the coaching staff he is brought into. He is very raw on both ends of the floor. Some evaluators believe his shot needs a mechanical adjustment and he has to refine his ball-handling. The fundamentals don't appear to be there for him on defense, either."
https://www.slamonline.com/slam-tv/kevin-porter-jr-official-nba-draft-workout/
very good at dunking... he's a poor mans Dennis Smith Jr.
when I googled "Kevin Porter Jr combine" this was the first thing that showed upSource on the 6’2? He was 6’5.5 w/shoes with a 6’10 wingspan, per Givony.
It’s not weird. Some fans/scouts like a guy based on athletic profile and skill set, others don’t like him based on lack of production and character concerns. It’s a phenomenon as old as the NBA draft itself. He was either injured or in trouble for much of the year, and we’re talking about a mid-first in what looks to be a bad draft. I think he’s the type of guy you take a swing on over guys more likely to hit their cheaply replaceable median outcomes, knowing that on the good chance he flames out, you just move on. But a lot of this comes down to draft philosophy and upside evaluation.
https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-combine-measurementswhen I googled "Kevin Porter Jr combine" this was the first thing that showed up
2019 NBA Draft Wizards Prospect Preview: Kevin Porter Jr. .... At the NBA Combine, he was measured at 6'2" without shoes, with a 6'8.75" ...
but it was different in other spots
The great thing about the NBA combine is that you can just go to the NBA website and look it up. He was 6’4” in his bare feet.It's just weird, Porter never put up a 20pt game this year. Wasn't all that highly rated coming out of HS by several rating services. USC played a pedestrian schedule. You'd think he'd have at least one big game? What HS he played for means absolutely nothing after what he showed at USC.
Measured 6'2" w/out sneakers at NBA Combine. ...
very good at dunking... he's a poor mans Dennis Smith Jr.
Yep. Your number has to be more accurate.https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-combine-measurements
That has him at 6’4 w/o shoes with an 8’7 standing reach, which is longer than Jarrett Culver or, amazingly, Brandon Clarke.
Yeah, some of us discussed his fall on the various mock draft boards in this thread a while back. Tjarks and KoC’s takes are pretty in line with the pro-KPJ people here- “all the talent in the world”- and, you and your hastily googled “8 other reasons” aside, I’d be happy if I were a Sixers fan if he fell to 24 in this draft. His downsides are very well documented and obviously baked into his priced.Yep. Your number has to be more accurate.
6'2" or 6'4" not my kind of lottery pick for the 8 other reasons I listed.
Looks like he is dropping according to The Ringer.
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Article/Kevin-Porter-Jr-NBA-mock-draft-USC-basketball--132445676/
I'm definitely guilty of taking what was off Google for his height, so my bad.Yeah, some of us discussed his fall on the various mock draft boards in this thread a while back. Tjarks and KoC’s takes are pretty in line with the pro-KPJ people here- “all the talent in the world”- and, you and your hastily googled “8 other reasons” aside, I’d be happy if I were a Sixers fan if he fell to 24 in this draft. His downsides are very well documented and obviously baked into his priced.
You sure do seem to think you have the entire BOS offseason figured out. Kyrie gone. AD not coming here. And now Horford leaving too.and their veteran center very likely to leave in the wake of Kyrexit.
But that's based on you assuming Kyrie is gone and AD not coming here.Al Horford recently stated, in a discussion about his free agency plans, that he wanted to play for a title. So this has nothing to do with me and everything with just reading his actual words. No tea leaves involved.
Which is why I prefaced my remark with “post-Kyrexit”.But that's based on you assuming Kyrie is gone and AD not coming here.
I understand the context, I think the point is that it seems like you're predicting all 3 things are going to happen--Kyrie leaves, no AD, no Al. And that's why the other poster said you seem to have it all figured out.Which is why I prefaced my remark with “post-Kyrexit”.
It's probably not a bad idea to prepare for the worst (Kyrexit w/no AD which may lead to an Al exit) and hope for the best (Kyrie stays, Danny gets AD and Al extends for 3 seasons).I understand the context, I think the point is that it seems like you're predicting all 3 things are going to happen--Kyrie leaves, no AD, no Al. And that's why the other poster said you seem to have it all figured out.
I wouldn’t hate that at all. Well, depending on which pick they’d use. I had forgot about him because he’s not on a lot of mocks, but he’s an Ainge-type guy- strong, athletic potential 3&D guy with some ability to create. Smallish for a combo guard, but can defend PGs and his strength his strength helps him D up bigger guys. Reminds me of Oni from Yale. Similar frame and numbers, except Davis was putting them up against much better competition.
The poster was literally responding to my Horford comment, not any of the other things you’re reading in to it.I understand the context, I think the point is that it seems like you're predicting all 3 things are going to happen--Kyrie leaves, no AD, no Al. And that's why the other poster said you seem to have it all figured out.
With Hayward and Smart around a big PG defender that can shoot treys isn’t the worst use of a late #1I wouldn’t hate that at all. Well, depending on which pick they’d use. I had forgot about him because he’s not on a lot of mocks, but he’s an Ainge-type guy- strong, athletic potential 3&D guy with some ability to create. Smallish for a combo guard, but can defend PGs and his strength his strength helps him D up bigger guys. Reminds me of Oni from Yale. Similar frame and numbers, except Davis was putting them up against much better competition.
Apparently he’s been one of the big risers since the combine after he performed really well in the shooting drills.
Huh?The poster was literally responding to my Horford comment, not any of the other things you’re reading in to it.
It was a bit of a throwaway post by me but he was ribbing you for call predicting Boston losing Kyrie, AD, and Al. That's all I was saying.You sure do seem to think you have the entire BOS offseason figured out. Kyrie gone. AD not coming here. And now Horford leaving too.
He measured 6’6.5” (no shoes) in last years NBA Combine, so his size is a problem since his chief skill is rim protector. Makes what he did last year at WVU fairly impressive with all those 2 hand rejections, but doubtful teams think it will play at the next level. I doubt he gets drafted and he’ll likely play overseas.Sagaba Konate, WVU, is staying in the draft.
Like his defense, size (as a 4/5) and 76%FT.
Probably available in the 2nd round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sagaba-konate-1.html
IMO Konate, 250lbs of muscle, could defensively handle NBA 4s.He measured 6’6.5” (no shoes) in last years NBA Combine, so his size is a problem since his chief skill is rim protector. Makes what he did last year at WVU fairly impressive with all those 2 hand rejections, but doubtful teams think it will play at the next level. I doubt he gets drafted and he’ll likely play overseas.
I don't have strong takes here, but I thought it useful to post the list of best freshman by BPM. Zion is by far #1, but there are some names here I haven't really heard discussed as top prospects.
For reference, here is a list of the best freshman since 2010-2011 (as far back as we back BPM data). Pretty much everyone at +11 or above is already a good NBA player or could still become one, and it tapers off from there.
Yabusele was only selected by Ainge due to his ability/willingness to be stashed. I agree Konate can be an effective low-ceiling/high-floor second unit guy similar to guys like a Big Baby or DeJuan Blair......I don’t feel he’s nearly agile enough to defend the PNR to be in the Harrell/Ben Wallace league but the kid has a chance to find a niche here.IMO Konate, 250lbs of muscle, could defensively handle NBA 4s.
For reference, Trez measured 6'7" w/out shoes, and he is more than adequate at the 5. Danny used a first rounder on Yabusele and I can't imagine his height was much greater.
I got more interested in Konate, as an undervalued 2nd rounder, when I saw bowiac's post earlier this year. Konate's BPM ranked very highly as a freshman in limited minutes, was a solid FT shooter his Soph year, and started developing a 3pt shot his Junior year before getting injured.
His defensive BPM is off the charts. If he works on his 3pt shot, he could find himself in an NBA rotation.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sagaba-konate-1.html
A shooter would be nice. Herro can shoot the shit out of the ball, passes well and grinds on defense, but the negative wingspan really hurts. He'll get hunted by teams in the NBA. I don't know who's the best bet to defend adequately out of Dylan Windler, Cam Johnson or Iggy Brazdeikis, but they all can space the floor all will struggle to stay in front of NBA wings, Windler may be the best bet (and also has the best all-around game on offense), but Iggy at least may have the strength to defend up a position.ESPN's new mock has Celtics getting Brandon Clarke, Bol Bol, and Kevin Porter. Paywall: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/26719722/nba-mock-draft-first-round-movement-latest-intel
That to me would be a great draft, though I might prefer a shooter instead of Porter's theoretical upside after Bol.
We both agree that Yabu is a waste of roster space. Hopefully, he gets moved, I'd rather have a guy like Konate (or your guy: Tacko Fall) as our 15th player or two- way G-League players. We're talking about a late 2nd round pick or undrafted rookie, so it's not a huge price to pay.Yabusele was only selected by Ainge due to his ability/willingness to be stashed. I agree Konate can be an effective low-ceiling/high-floor second unit guy similar to guys like a Big Baby or DeJuan Blair......I don’t feel he’s nearly agile enough to defend the PNR to be in the Harrell/Ben Wallace league but the kid has a chance to find a niche here.
I really hope he sticks in the NBA, I was more worried about size. But I was unfamiliar with that BPM metric. I'd love to see him unleashed in an 15-18 minute role where we fine him per foul he doesn't use. He's definitely strong and athletic and as a freshman I think he had only played a few years of organized basketball. So parts of his game that need to develop are still very new skills respectively.We both agree that Yabu is a waste of roster space. Hopefully, he gets moved, I'd rather have a guy like Konate (or your guy: Tacko Fall) as our 15th player or two- way G-League players. We're talking about a late 2nd round pick or undrafted rookie, so it's not a huge price to pay.
Konate is plus defense, PF size/girth, an 80% FT shooter and an improving 3pt shot. He's definitely not in Ben Wallace league, or even Harrell but he already is a better shooter than both of them.
Big Baby and DeJuan Blair were effective bench pieces, I'd take that from a late 2nd round pick.
Personally, I'd think nearly every team would want to draft one player a year in the first round. So, those teams which don't have a first round pick, seems like they might be willing to trade a future pick for a pick this year. Of course, you are robbing Peter to pay Paul. There's also the risk of the future pick being better, but I'd think there could be some ways of mitigating the risk.For example, if you are trading a future pick for say - one of the Celtics' late 1sts, just make the pick lottery protected for the next couple of years.I found this article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshype.com/2018/09/28/nba-draft-and-stash-players/amp/
It still surprises me there doesn’t seem to be a market for pushing your pick back a year like in football and even hockey...too much volatility from year to year or maybe GM’s just don’t fall in love with players after the lottery?
I think he's got some Ginobili in his game.
I’d love Ty Jerome.
I love what I have read about Hayes. (of course I loved what I read about TL).So if Jaxson Hayes is there at 22, I wouldn't blame them for drafting him even though it appears that TL is very similar.