Turning in it over is the obvious answer. No upside throwing no upside running takes too many sacks and turns it over a ton is probably worse than can't throw but can run someThat bounce pass attempt to a wide open Harry might be the worst throw I’ve ever seen. I don’t know what the hell Stidham is doing to be unable to beat out this guy.
16 weeks too late. I get Bb wanted to win. I get Cam is a solid guy and strong locker room presence. I am not sure what he brought in terms of developing the team for the future. Which, post TB12, was I was interested in.And he’s benched.
Whatever. How can you pass for 34 yards in over a half of football and be upset with the coaches for pulling you? Pound sand.I didn't hear any post-game sessions, but the 98.5 guys think Cam was pissed off about being pulled tonight.
They are morons. Cam said nothing approaching that.I didn't hear any post-game sessions, but the 98.5 guys think Cam was pissed off about being pulled tonight.
It was Gasper, FWIW.They are morons. Cam said nothing approaching that.
He is deflecting from a player everybody can see is not getting it done because he evidently likes the player, the guy works hard, and he is getting paid relative peanuts for his pedigree. This isn’t exactly effusive praise, either.Yes but in the past he's said we have to play better, I have to coach better, etc.
Saying "Cam did a good job for us" when it's so obvious not the case is a step further than he's gone before.
Even when Tom fucking Brady had his play questioned by the media, Bill never came to his defense so openly. I don't recall him acting this way with any player, really.Belichick's entire ethos is to not blame the players. So I get how and why he said that. It's obviously not true but he's made it a part of his process to not call out players individually.
But it's not shocking when you consider that he said it for the reasons Merlin suggests, and not because he cares one bit about its veracity.Nothing really, except to note what's a pretty shocking statement from BB.
They could always just give him the $250k anyway if they want to start Stidham.
That's pretty much it. The shoulder played ok for the first several games of the season and my hope was the struggles mid-season were due to some form of Covid hangover. However, his running and energy are high level now but the throws just keep getting worse and worse.Effort has nothing to do with his shoulder being mincemeat.
Or, Josh seized the opportunity supplied by the question to find one angle where he could say something positive about Cam. There's not much else.It really does seem Cam gets the starts because he puts in the prep.
I firmly believe that BB and the coaches use their pressers as meetings for the team. They don't say anything that isn't meant for team consumption. Josh praising Cam's work and preparation is a signal to the team about what things the coaching staff values.Or, Josh seized the opportunity supplied by the question to find one angle where he could say something positive about Cam. There's not much else.
Bill's critics need to read the above. Players do talk, and Cam has a ton of friends around the league. Newton will almost certainly be gone, but at least prospective free agents will see how players like Cam were treated and will at least have their agents return Bill's phone calls. And the players that return next year will understand what will be expected of them.I've always been a BB fan, and I think this entire situation is an interesting snapshot into how he thinks and what makes him a great coach.
- He realizes Stidham just doesn't have it, never had it and won't get it.
- He knows Cam doesn't right now either, but understands he once did. This season has been a project to see if Cam can recover that talent.
- For his part in the project, Cam has been busting his ass, doing everything the coaches want, to the limit of what his broken body can do.
- The results aren't there; the project failed. BB will move on, but he still appreciates Cam giving him everything he's got, and everyone can see how much BB and the coaches respect that.
- The culture that BB built is sustained.
At least that is how I see it. How leaders handle lack of success is important. BB is a good leader.
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You already said plenty for Cam last night. He stinks. He stunk again last night. He will stink again on Sunday.I will say this for Cam last night.....
If Byrd makes that catch, you're looking at Cam having 2 TDs on 4 drives in the first half and going 6/10 for 61 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, adding in decent rushing yards and a rushing TD.
It was ugly, and that's not ideal QB play, but I think to Bill, that is getting the job done. They called plays to take into account that Cam's shoulder looks like it's toast, and he generally executed decently enough to score on half his drives. To Bill, that's doing his job, and if the defense was better maybe you have a chance to win. He also pulled Cam because he didn't think he could do the newly constituted job of coming back from 3 scores down.
Cam was bad last night, and he clearly can't pass with any consistency..... he's not why we lost last night, we lost because we got torched on defense and aren't built to make comebacks (partly because of Cam, but also the WR/TE positions).
I agree he was a reason.It can be both. It’s more difficult to get torched on defense when your offense isn’t handing the ball back to them after 1 or 2 sets of downs. And it’s a lot easier to get torched on D when they’re tired from constantly seeing the field.
Cam isn’t THE reason we lost but he is A reason we lost.
And I was right... he was terrible, but Stidham was just as terrible and without the run threat the offense produced even less. It will likely be the same for both against the Jets. I don't think Cam is good, or the future, I just recognize that he his the slightly more likely of our two bad QBs to lead a scoring drive.You already said plenty for Cam last night. He stinks. He stunk again last night. He will stink again on Sunday.
Our defense was okay the first couple of possessions. The first drive they held them to a field goal and then they had some bongead plays extend a drive into a touchdown when they should have gotten out of it earlier.I agree he was a reason.
Not sure I buy the "offense didn't do anything so the defense was tired bit though.... the first half, we gave up a score on every drive they had, didn't matter if it was the first drive after we'd held the ball, a drive after we had a 3 and out, or after we had a 90 yard TD drive". Our defense was terrible from the get go.
People need to stop making this excuse for the defense. The offense is one of the best in the league at time of possession per drive (4th-best) and plays per drive (5th). They aren't very good at turning that into points (25th), but if the D is getting tired it is 100% on the defense not being able to get off the field (they are 31st in opponent's time of possession per drive and 26th in plays allowed per drive). The D is making the O look bad more than the O is making the D look bad, and it's not even close.It can be both. It’s more difficult to get torched on defense when your offense isn’t always handing the ball back to the other team after 1 or 2 sets of downs. And it’s a lot easier to get torched on D when they’re tired from constantly seeing the field.
I think all of this is right. I think Belichick built this team planning to win on defense and running the ball and the defense has let him down considerably. I think it's telling he keeps tinkering with playing time among the defensive players but has basically run the same offensive guys out there game after game. The O in the first half last night was competitive; the defense was not.I will say this for Cam last night.....
If Byrd makes that catch, you're looking at Cam having 2 TDs on 4 drives in the first half and going 6/10 for 61 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, adding in decent rushing yards and a rushing TD.
It was ugly, and that's not ideal QB play, but I think to Bill, that is getting the job done. They called plays to take into account that Cam's shoulder looks like it's toast, and he generally executed decently enough to score on half his drives. To Bill, that's doing his job, and if the defense was better maybe you have a chance to win.
I think it's more he didn't want Cam to get killed in a lost cause. They were down 22 their first possession of the second half, ran three times and punted on 4th-and-2. If that ain't a white flag, I don't know what is.He also pulled Cam because he didn't think he could do the newly constituted job of coming back from 3 scores down.
Yeah, but you were beating this same drum when the team was winning SBs. You've never been much of a fan of this defense. It certainly hasnt been good down the stretch, but when a team goes several games without being able to find the endzone, I'd argue that should be at the forefront of focus. Maybe those stats arent telling the full truth of what's playing out on the field.People need to stop making this excuse for the defense. The offense is one of the best in the league at time of possession per drive (4th-best) and plays per drive (5th). They aren't very good at turning that into points (25th), but if the D is getting tired it is 100% on the defense not being able to get off the field (they are 31st in opponent's time of possession per drive and 26th in plays allowed per drive). The D is making the O look bad more than the O is making the D look bad, and it's not even close.
I’m not making excuses for the defense. I’m saying there are contributing factors to the loss. A big reason the Bills were able to run up the score on us is because we couldn’t put together any semblance of an offense and therefore kept giving them the hall. Yes, of course the defense plays a role in that too. That was my point.People need to stop making this excuse for the defense. The offense is one of the best in the league at time of possession per drive (4th-best) and plays per drive (5th). They aren't very good at turning that into points (25th), but if the D is getting tired it is 100% on the defense not being able to get off the field (they are 31st in opponent's time of possession per drive and 26th in plays allowed per drive). The D is making the O look bad more than the O is making the D look bad, and it's not even close.
I think all of this is right. I think Belichick built this team planning to win on defense and running the ball and the defense has let him down considerably. I think it's telling he keeps tinkering with playing time among the defensive players but has basically run the same offensive guys out there game after game. The O in the first half last night was competitive; the defense was not.
I think it's more he didn't want Cam to get killed in a lost cause. They were down 22 their first possession of the second half, ran three times and punted on 4th-and-2. If that ain't a white flag, I don't know what is.