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He looks ready for the Washington Generals
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuIgor5_PaQ
He looks ready for the Washington Generals
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuIgor5_PaQ
Is that really an excuse for his arms to get soft in the process?Not a good look but also, probably can't exercise the same way coming off major foot surgery.
wasn't he the answer to all our wing issues last season?
No. He was an interesting option the offseason leading into last season. It turns out his offensive improvement 2 years ago, in his third season, looks like it wasn’t real as he was terrible last year.wasn't he the answer to all our wing issues last season?
But he’s only 22 and he’s a good player when healthy. NBA teams basically have to sign these deals, especially franchises like Memphis. The alternatives are just much less enticing.View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1450123920451932164
That's a lot of dough for a guy who's had his fair share of injuries.
Absolutely. Just pointing out that there might be more risk with JJJ than with some other players. Time will tell, as always.But he’s only 22 and he’s a good player when healthy. NBA teams basically have to sign these deals, especially franchises like Memphis. The alternatives are just much less enticing.
Yup. View this as higher risk and higher reward. He has all-star potential, IMO, but he also has TL downside if the injuries persist.Absolutely. Just pointing out that there might be more risk with JJJ than with some other players. Time will tell, as always.
Yes. Complete no-brainer. He could be made of glass but it isn’t due to a chronic issue (yet anyway) like a Brandon Roy’s knees or Oden’s lower body imbalance.It's the Jaylen Brown deal. It's a bargain if JJJ stays healthy.
Unless you are Robert SarverBut he’s only 22 and he’s a good player when healthy. NBA teams basically have to sign these deals, especially franchises like Memphis. The alternatives are just much less enticing.
OMG. Sarver is the absolute worst.
Wasn't the belief that Sarver pushed McDonough to draft Ayton instead of Luka in the first place? Why make that decision for your bball ops if you're going to nickel and dime when it comes to extension time?OMG. Sarver is the absolute worst.
Is Ayton really a max player in this climate? Is he that much more valuable than JJJ?OMG. Sarver is the absolute worst.
Being wrong once doesn't need you need to be committed to being wrong twice.Wasn't the belief that Sarver pushed McDonough to draft Ayton instead of Luka in the first place? Why make that decision for your bball ops if you're going to nickel and dime when it comes to extension time?
What are the odds you’re getting a player as good as Ayton if you let him go or trade him for pupu platter deal? You have Paul in the twilight of his career. You now have Booker and Bridges signed long-term. The Suns finally have a direction and now they’ve pissed off a young building block over a few million / year. I think it’s a very poor business decision.Is Ayton really a max player in this climate? Is he that much more valuable than JJJ?
If you are 100% convinced he adds a 3, you give him max. I mean, you probably have to give him max anyway given how the NBA works but I think he'd be one of the worst max deals around unless he adds the 3 or turns into Gobert.
Here's a deep dive into the Ayton contract situation, though it was printed earlier this month so it doesn't include Bridges' extension: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/deandre-ayton-disappointed-suns-havent-extended-him-but-the-situation-is-complicated-and-messy/Being wrong once doesn't need you need to be committed to being wrong twice.
Losing Ayton for nothing would definitely be wrong, but signing him to max might be too.
Ayton seems like the type of player you include in a trade for Beal or Dame, though. Maybe not those 2 because they're terrible fits.What are the odds you’re getting a player as good as Ayton if you let him go or trade him for pupu platter deal? You have Paul in the twilight of his career. You now have Booker and Bridges signed long-term. The Suns finally have a direction and now they’ve pissed off a young building block over a few million / year. I think it’s a very poor business decision.
IIRC the reason they took Ayton over Luka was because that the Suns coach at the time had some experience with Luka in Europe and was negative on him, and that the Suns felt like since they already had Booker, they didn't need a player like Luka and a big would be more beneficial to their long-term core.Wasn't the belief that Sarver pushed McDonough to draft Ayton instead of Luka in the first place? Why make that decision for your bball ops if you're going to nickel and dime when it comes to extension time?
Ah, I thought that Sarver forced that through because he was a U of A guy and liked the appeal of keeping Ayton local.IIRC the reason they took Ayton over Luka was because that the Suns coach at the time had some experience with Luka in Europe and was negative on him, and that the Suns felt like since they already had Booker, they didn't need a player like Luka and a big would be more beneficial to their long-term core.
Obviously that ended up being incorrect, but I don't think Sarver was the key driver in making that decision.
Yeah, like Luka is the best player from the draft but I don't think it looks like a crazy bad decision. Ayton was the darling of the NBA Playoffs last year until he failed to stop Giannis, which is a job nobody in the NBA could do. It's good for Phoenix and Atlanta that the players they got instead of Luka at least appear to be really good, unlike the Kings with Bagley. Nobody makes fun of the Rockets for taking Hakeem over MJ.At least they didn't take Bagley.
I think it's okay because they are betting that they can match his sheet and eventually he'll get over any upset over being nickled and dimed. On the other hand, telling a guy who is one of your best young stars that you won't give him a deal, then spending $11M a year for 4 years on a guy who won't start for you....Suns are spending money just not maxing Ayton. Might not end up being the right decision but certainly doesn’t seem like a crazy philosophy.
Just need to look at how it went down with John Collins/ATL. Many were 100% convinced he'd get maxed. ATL saved themselves a few shekels.I think it's okay because they are betting that they can match his sheet and eventually he'll get over any upset over being nickled and dimed. On the other hand, telling a guy who is one of your best young stars that you won't give him a deal, then spending $11M a year for 4 years on a guy who won't start for you....
Another team can only offer him four years.The most another team could sign him for is 5/127,925,000.
I'm guessing he gets 5/140.
Sure, though Collins was less of a clear Max guy. The other side is maybe you save a small amount on money, but lose between 1 and 3 years of control, and Ayton skips town after signing a 2+1 and you go into FA with Booker deciding if he wants to commit to you when the roster is Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and Bridges making 65M.Just need to look at how it went down with John Collins/ATL. Many were 100% convinced he'd get maxed. ATL saved themselves a few shekels.
Are we not doing phrasing anymore.Yes. Complete no-brainer. He could be made of glass but it isn’t due to a chronic issue (yet anyway) like a Brandon Roy’s knees or Oden’s lower body imbalance.
I agree.What are the odds you’re getting a player as good as Ayton if you let him go or trade him for pupu platter deal? You have Paul in the twilight of his career. You now have Booker and Bridges signed long-term. The Suns finally have a direction and now they’ve pissed off a young building block over a few million / year. I think it’s a very poor business decision.
Ayton was better over a larger sample going into extension eligibilityWhy is Collins less of a max guy though?
Yes but according to the article I posted, PHO got smoked when Ayton was off the court. He may not be as good as the Centers you listed but if he walks, PHO will have a hard time filling the hole.I think they are afraid that he might become Myles Turner, good but not a max player.
But that’s just it. Adequate centers are cheap allowing you to spend your money elsewhere. You can just plug in a Lopez or a Zeller or a Plumlee. There is a buyers market in centers currently. This is part of the reason why we were able to extend R Williams so reasonably.Yes but according to the article I posted, PHO got smoked when Ayton was off the court. He may not be as good as the Centers you listed but if he walks, PHO will have a hard time filling the hole.
Not really. I'd rather have the wing, Collins, than the classic CenterAyton was better over a larger sample going into extension eligibility
If the Suns goal is to win a Championship in Chris Paul’s window it sure as hell isn’t happening with Lopez, Plumlee or Zeller replacing Ayton. That isn’t an incremental downgrade……that’s a very significant drop off from a player the Suns really needed on the court last year.But that’s just it. Adequate centers are cheap allowing you to spend your money elsewhere. You can just plug in a Lopez or a Zeller or a Plumlee. There is a buyers market in centers currently. This is part of the reason why we were able to extend R Williams so reasonably.
I think Chris Paul’s window was 5-10 years ago.If the Suns goal is to win a Championship in Chris Paul’s window it sure as hell isn’t happening with Lopez, Plumlee or Zeller replacing Ayton. That isn’t an incremental downgrade……that’s a very significant drop off from a player the Suns really needed on the court last year.
I mean, your positional preference aside, DARKO and RAPTOR and just about everything else have Ayton as the better player both over their respective games 100-200 and over each of the last 2 seasons.Not really. I'd rather have the wing, Collins, than the classic Center
Ayton will probably get something similar to Collins 5yrs/$125MM. We can check back in a year
Not everyone cares about DARKO and RAPTOR. I'd take Collins too.I mean, your positional preference aside, DARKO and RAPTOR and just about everything else have Ayton as the better player both over their respective games 100-200 and over each of the last 2 seasons.
That's fine, but basically everything we have to measure players says Ayton is better, and we know enough about how NBA teams evaluate players to know that a good chunk of their internals are similar to the metrics that are public, so some, possibly all of them probably also think Ayton is the more valuable player. If we're looking at future contract estimation that plays a major role. Ayton is in a much better position to get a max deal than Collins was.Not everyone cares about DARKO and RAPTOR. I'd take Collins too.