He's shooting 30% on more attempts this year, and he's a small SG with no Defense
2022 Buyout Market
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This has the Jazz all over it (Ainge and his well reported coveting of 'Reke when he first came into the league) though he would kind of be intriguing as a deeper bench piece. Below is how he graded out on overall LEBRON over his career thus far.
So perhaps dumb tangential question, but each dot is one player correct?
The reason most players are in the negative I'm assuming is that those players play less minutes and account for less court time overall? If you took all player grades and multiplied by # minutes, would you end up at 0?
Roughly speaking, seems like a 0 LEBRON player is better than about 75% of the league, and the most common grade in the league is about -1.0?
I believe each dot is a player. That said, I am not as comfortable with how this data is visualized to say its not a scaling or presentation issue. I agree its not clear at all.
LEBRON has several adjustments that account for things like garbage time but I don't believe that minutes played is in the equation. For example, the Celtics worst player by LEBRON this season is Nesmith and he has played a lot more minutes than other, higher LEBRON scores on their roster.
A lot of the negative LEBRON players this year are going to be the massive amount of 10-day, 2-way etc. guys.
343 players have played at least 400 minutes this year, of those 140 have a LEBRON of 0.00 or higher.
True, though it's looking like a relatively similar distribution each year. It's pear shaped with the waist looking like around -1.0. And only maybe 20-30% or so of the league better than 0 LEBRON.
Even if you remove the players that barely played, it still makes sense to have more players below 0 than above. The best players play the most minutes and I assume 0 LEBRON is meant to be "average on court play", not "average NBA player".
Just interesting to see the distribution and how being +1 LEBRON is really pretty darn good.
Hey Lance Stephenson looked like toast when he last played and he is a rotation player now. Not a terrible good rotation player though.
yeah, 0 is supposed to be average, but it's also about contribution, so most bench players probably aren't positive contributors (if they were they'd be starting), 1 LEBRON is a top 85-90 player (hypothetically)... though as with all one stop metrics, it can be pretty weird....
as an example, Kristaps Porzingis has the 9th best LEBRON, Horford and Myles Turner are top 15, and Jakob Poetel and Clint Capela top 25
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Dragic buyout complete... I assume basically every playoff team is calling his agent (I assume he goes to DAL, BKN or MIL).
Dragic buyout complete... I assume basically every playoff team is calling his agent (I assume he goes to DAL, BKN or MIL).
Good point. And I would ask the same of the Nets with Kyrie, Curry, Mills, and Cam Thomas.
On Saturday vs Clippers the Mavs played Josh Green 20 and Ntilikina 12 off the bench……and Reggie Bullock 40. There are plenty of minutes for Dinwiddie and Dragic. It isn’t like the latter is going to be playing 25+ a game wherever he goes.
Cam is a rookie and Kyrie’s playoff availability at home is still in question. The latter can’t be relied upon and the former you don’t want to rely upon.
Dinwiddie has fallen off a cliff, too. I've never loved his game but the percentages have cratered across the board. He's shooting worse than Marcus Smart. Still an above average passer but he does almost nothing else well, right? I'd think Dragic would take his minutes pretty fast.
Seems most likely he has to do a stint in G League for a few weeks, if he's willing.
Conceptually his profile might be most tolerable for a strong culture like Miami, but they already are loaded for his role (Strus, Robinson, Oladipo, Martin, Vincent etc, all behind Herro/Lowry)
Lakers could use him and are desparate enough to take the gamble. Plus, having the ultimate Alpha in place helps.
I would attribute this to being in a new environment/system while having trouble playing with Beal more than him suddenly being a bad basketball player during his prime years. I’d have to think he’s a much better NBA player than the post-prime version of Dragic.
I wouldn't be so sure... Dragic was always better than Dinwiddie and his decline was gradual. Dinwiddie is a guy who had a short peak, regressed had a 2nd lesser peak, regressed again....
Looks like Bembry to MIL
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I guess this is plausible, but I'm not sure why that would affect his shooting. He's a miserable 43% on 2pters even though he's taking less of them this year. He's always been bad at scoring efficiently (terrible three point shooter, middling inside the arc), so he didn't have much margin for error.
I guess he can shoulder some of the ball-handling duties but that team does not need him foisting five threes a game @ 30%.
he's not getting to the rim. Now maybe he's just not back from the injury yet, but he's taking way fewer of his shots inside 10 feet than he did when he was a useful player. He's also drawing fewer FTs... basically his game was get to the rim and/or get fouled and he's not been able to do either this year.
Dinwiddie was a lottery pick until he broke his leg his senior year. Once healthy he showed he was a real good NBA player and his “regressions” seem to coincide with his NBA injuries, which there have been many, prior to this year. This is the first year he’s been healthy as an NBA player and struggled. Reportedly, Beal went to management about moving one of them so there seems to be something else going on this year.
Maybe, but after each down slope he reaches lower peaks. I'd say he was a "real good" player only for a very short period, then mediocre, then he came back up to "good" then declined again after a major injury. For a guy who can't shoot and is highly dependent on winning at the POA (and isn't much of a defender) I think there is good reason to think he'll never come close to his "real good" form again, and even his lesser stretch as about a 1.0 DARKO player is probably behind him. His comps are guys like Greivez Vazquez and Jose Calderon at this point. I'd want nothing to do with that deal
Yeah, no. For upperclassmen to make the lottery they need to be major athletes, and Spence just wasn't. Heck, he couldn't even dominate the 18 and 19 year olds.
I'm not hopeful, but maybe feeling a little optimistic, that the Celtics latest dominance might improve their desirability as a buyout destination. Heck, it's going to be 60 degrees this week!
The Cs are getting hot at the right time and their skinny roster means lots of run, even during the playoffs. It feels like opportunities mean as much to some players as a higher odds shot at a ring but maybe its winning+destination.
Gary Harris is my ideal. He fits so well on paper.
Gary Harris is my ideal. He fits so well on paper.
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Wasn't an option for us I assume, but Tristan Thompson agrees to a buyout with IND, plans to sign with CHI.
On a Celtics front...
Sounds like Harris won't get bought out.
Satoransky was a DNP every game for SAS, he should be a target he was bad in NOP this year, but he has been a good player before that.
Wasn't an option for us I assume, but Tristan Thompson agrees to a buyout with IND, plans to sign with CHI.
On a Celtics front...
Sounds like Harris won't get bought out.
Satoransky was a DNP every game for SAS, he should be a target he was bad in NOP this year, but he has been a good player before that.
All I want is for Delonte West and really anyone struggling with mental illness to find some peace going forward. YRMV.
I saw this video and was wondering when exactly this video was taken. Is this really recent?
I mean... he's 32, was already pretty bad by the time he got suspended and hasn't played competitive basketball anywhere for 3 years.
By reputation, Carter is supposed to be a plus defender. He certainly picked guys up 91 feet. And he did hit 42.5% of 3Ps in 2019-20. But that was a long time ago.
He's a guy I liked coming out of WVU, in Huggy Bears' physical-defense first system, as a 2nd rounder. Hasn't done much, but I do like backup PGs that take pride in picking up fullcourt. 37% from 3 over his career. Positive BPM/DBPM the 2 prior seasons.
PITA's are welcome at the end of the bench, #15 spot on him would be acceptable
maybe the 21pts he put up against the C's recently has me intrigued?
I kind of like the idea of having a waterbug kind of guy towards the end of your bench that can play quality defense on smaller guards. That person can be useful in certain situations; like if Patty Mills or someone is killing you.
Carter might slow a smaller guard but the reality is that there aren't many non starters amongst potential playoff teams and he isn't going to do much against say, Kyrie Irving imo. They need bodies but its tough to see Carter in Udoka's system. He would immediately blow up their entire defensive scheme just by virtue of the giant bullseye on his back where the uniform number is supposed to be.
Derrick White is much better at guarding waterbugs/smaller PGs than Smart. Tatum is also capable of slowing guys like Trae down. Adding White really filled a lot of the Celtic holes
Carter would just be filler minutes, backing up PP, as the season winds down
All things being equal, I'd rather add a shooter, if there are any available. McLemore, perhaps?
Carter is a better defending but older version of PP really. Small for a 2, not actually a PG, he was okay deep bench for the Suns, I don't see a fit here.