2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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TWolves just shot a layup down 3 with one second left and lost by one lol??
3 seconds left (and a timeout), but still. For all the issues the Celtics have had over the years in the clutch, the Wolves might be worse. Just terrible decision making by Edwards with the drive, once there was less than 8 seconds and he was single covered, he's gotta just rise up and shoot. He's like JB, he's so athletic he can get space to get a shot off just by jumping.
 

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And Towns before Edwards. KAT had a moment of daylight to shoot. Hesitated. So had to pass to Edwards. Who...had an opening (brief, to be sure), hesitated...and then drove. Redux.

And this was about 90 seconds after Edwards drove and just wildly flung the ball to no one, leading to a breakaway dunk for Powell.

Brutal. Not like the Clippers were much better over the last 2 minutes, either. Clanged a few bad shots, too, but Minny was just awful.
 

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Was that an ankle or a knee injury for Brunson? Just saw that it was while he was taking off for a shot.
Hope Knicks fans enjoyed the last 2-3 weeks.
 

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It was strange in that Brunson was first wincing in the air and not while landing. Could be he felt a twinge on liftoff and it didn't totally register until he was in the air?
 

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Was that an ankle or a knee injury for Brunson? Just saw that it was while he was taking off for a shot.
Hope Knicks fans enjoyed the last 2-3 weeks.
They haven't enjoyed much over that last few weeks, they're just 3-8 over the last month (with the wins over the Grizzlies, Pistons, and Sixers without Embiid). This is rough.
 

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3 seconds left (and a timeout), but still. For all the issues the Celtics have had over the years in the clutch, the Wolves might be worse. Just terrible decision making by Edwards with the drive, once there was less than 8 seconds and he was single covered, he's gotta just rise up and shoot. He's like JB, he's so athletic he can get space to get a shot off just by jumping.
Then they left a guy wide open on the inbound, it was really bizarre.
 

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Just another moment to note: RIP DaveRobertsShoes.

Is it possible he pulled something in the lower leg- which could be achilles, calf, etc. on the way up, and then it hurt even worse landing?
 

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Just another moment to note: RIP DaveRobertsShoes.

Is it possible he pulled something in the lower leg- which could be achilles, calf, etc. on the way up, and then it hurt even worse landing?
RIP DRS cannot be said enough. Still shocked.

That wasn’t an Achilles/calf reaction imo. I didn’t see his ankle land on anyone’s foot but that ankle roll when trying to get up says to me that there was a loss of stability in the knee which is what the non-contact looked like. Not good at all.

EDIT: Saw another angle as Brunson was getting up. It wasn’t only his ankle that he had no control over his knee buckled with each step. He’s done.
 
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Just another moment to note: RIP DaveRobertsShoes.

Is it possible he pulled something in the lower leg- which could be achilles, calf, etc. on the way up, and then it hurt even worse landing?
Nah, he grabbed his knee right away. It’s possible he just got a scare like Wheels Pierce, but it looked pretty terrible when he tried to stand up and his ankle rolled over because he couldn’t put weight on the leg.
 

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I'm a Knicks hater, but I have to acknowledge they've done a really good job the last couple of years building up this group. It will really be a shame if Brunson is out for a long time/not back this year...they were going to be a tough out in playoffs and for first time in about 20 years they actually have upside looking forward.

But without Brunson, it's all a lot shakier
 

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I'm a Knicks hater, but I have to acknowledge they've done a really good job the last couple of years building up this group. It will really be a shame if Brunson is out for a long time/not back this year...they were going to be a tough out in playoffs and for first time in about 20 years they actually have upside looking forward.

But without Brunson, it's all a lot shakier
Playoffs are often injury luck.. and Knicks have had zero this season.

One thing that’s nice for the C’s.. the bottom of the playoff bracket are going to be fighting one another all the way til the end.. everyone is so close. Cs can rest and basically 4-10 can’t.
 

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Knicks sure do play hard. I'm not a Josh Hart fan, but he's definitely a tough dude. It seems hard to believe this style of play wins a championship, but it certainly provides a good product for the fans.
 

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Gordo currently in for OKC. Starting to look pretty thick, but he just gave them a good boost off the bench. Jumper still looks sweet.
If you just saw that SGA drive through three dudes where he hesi'd his wind-up to fool the two leaping defenders you know it was incredible.

I get that most of the NBA old guard talks about Kyrie having some of the best offensive skills in the league in terms of handle, finishes etc but for me SGA is right there.
 

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Knicks sure do play hard. I'm not a Josh Hart fan, but he's definitely a tough dude. It seems hard to believe this style of play wins a championship, but it certainly provides a good product for the fans.
Im sure theres the usual amount of dumb luck, but I thought Thibs was generally bad for players' health.
 

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Today’s game was the classic Doncic: Triple double, lots of points, a complete zero defensively, a week’s of turnovers and a home loss against an Embiid-less Sixers team.
He's not in Tatum's zipcode as a player you can build a championship team around.

I'd take any odds that flipping Tatum to Dallas and Luka to Boston makes Dallas a lot better and Boston somewhat worse. Dallas has some decent players around Luka now--he just doesn't get tons out of them in the complete sense.
 

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He's not in Tatum's zipcode as a player you can build a championship team around.

I'd take any odds that flipping Tatum to Dallas and Luka to Boston makes Dallas a lot better and Boston somewhat worse. Dallas has some decent players around Luka now--he just doesn't get tons out of them in the complete sense.
This just feels like the inevitable result of heliocentric basketball. If you have one guy who’s the focus of everything, you end up just making him look good at the expense of the team. These super high usage guards like Doncic always suck on defense and add nothing on offense without the ball, and they make their teams predictable. It’s a type of basketball that looks good in a simulation but not in reality.
 

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It's never a direct causation that "played too much" leads to "injury", but these are Josh Harts minutes played going backwards the last couple of games: 45, 47, 40, 41, 41, 44
This can't be healthy!
 

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I agree Doncic is overrated by the media but I feel like the pendulum has swung wildly to the other end on here. he's still a top 10 player y'all, it's not like he gives everything back on D that he creates on offense. he did basically single handedly carry a Mavs team to the wcf.
 

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I agree Doncic is overrated by the media but I feel like the pendulum has swung wildly to the other end on here. he's still a top 10 player y'all, it's not like he gives everything back on D that he creates on offense. he did basically single handedly carry a Mavs team to the wcf.
Had a guy next to me last night look up at the Bird/Isiah interview then ask me if I could answer a question without bias…..then asked who I thought was better, Bird or Doncic.

Yes, he’s in that second tier of MVP candidates but mostly due to this belief that he impacts winning so much.
 

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I agree Doncic is overrated by the media but I feel like the pendulum has swung wildly to the other end on here. he's still a top 10 player y'all, it's not like he gives everything back on D that he creates on offense. he did basically single handedly carry a Mavs team to the wcf.
1. I give him all the credit in the world for that run. He really tried on D, and they found ways to work with him. We haven't seen that guy this year.
2. It's pretty hard for the pendulum to swing far enough from where the media has him. It's a non-stop droolfest, and he's just not that guy right now.
 

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JJ lit into Doc today.
View: https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1759966158009077790

JJ Redick calls out his former head coach Doc Rivers, who he will be replacing on ESPN/ABC's NBA Finals coverage. "I've seen the trend for years. The trend is always making excuses. Doc, we get it. Taking over a team in the middle of a season is hard... it's always an excuse. It's always throwing your team under the bus... there's never accountability with that guy."
Don’t look now….but Doc has this Bucks team defending like they were pre-Lillard. Over the last 10 games they trail only Minnesota in Defensive Rating, have won 5 in a row, 4 of these on the road and 4 of the 5 wins by double digits.
 

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Had a guy next to me last night look up at the Bird/Isiah interview then ask me if I could answer a question without bias…..then asked who I thought was better, Bird or Doncic.

Yes, he’s in that second tier of MVP candidates but mostly due to this belief that he impacts winning so much.
"let's see, Larry Bird is an inner-circle hall of famer who won 3 championships, 3 MVPs, redefined the skillset of his position and could end playoff teams through sheer force of will on both ends of the floor, in an era when talent was concentrated into fewer teams. Luka Doncic is a good regular-season offensive player who is a turnstile on defense, has lost in the first round or not even made the playoffs 4 of his 5 seasons (and in the 1 exception, he had Brunson entering his prime, a healthy Kristaps Porzingis, and some defensive fighters in DFS, Kleber and Powell). Has not sniffed the MVP award despite having the highest usage rate in the league. And has run several co-stars out of town due to not being able to share the ball and make his teammates better. There have been plenty of Luka Doncices to come through the league, but there have only been a handful of players as good as Larry Bird, in its 80-year history."
 

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Don’t look now….but Doc has this Bucks team defending like they were pre-Lillard. Over the last 10 games they trail only Minnesota in Defensive Rating, have won 5 in a row, 4 of these on the road and 4 of the 5 wins by double digits.
There is real improvement, but 3 of those games are against the Hornets and Bulls. The truth is probably more in the middle.
 

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3 out of 10 against below average teams is probably par for the course...if not less than par for the course, no?
Don’t look now….but Doc has this Bucks team defending like they were pre-Lillard. Over the last 10 games they trail only Minnesota in Defensive Rating, have won 5 in a row, 4 of these on the road and 4 of the 5 wins by double digits.
To add on a pure "eye test" mode, not just that much more active defensively, but offensively (while they were already obviously top notch), they seem to be passing/moving in a more fluid, crisp fashion. Pure SSS/eye test stuff...
 

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Don’t look now….but Doc has this Bucks team defending like they were pre-Lillard. Over the last 10 games they trail only Minnesota in Defensive Rating, have won 5 in a row, 4 of these on the road and 4 of the 5 wins by double digits.
MIL is #1 in DRtg over the last 9 games. However, here are MIL's opponents:
  • CHA
  • DEN (KCP exited in 2Q; Murray was out 2nd half; second-to-last game before ASB)
  • MIA (gave up 123 to them; granted 2nd game of B2B)
  • MEM
  • MIN (first game back from ASB)
  • PHI
  • CHA
  • CHA again
  • CHI
The 10th game they gave up 129 to MIN.

Next 12 games are: LAC; @GSW; @LAL; @LAC; @SAC; PHI; PHO; BOS; BRK; OKC; LAL; @NOP. We'll know a lot more about MIL after these 12 games.
 

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There is real improvement, but 3 of those games are against the Hornets and Bulls. The truth is probably more in the middle.
What about the other 7 games including holding Denver to 95 in a double digit win? People can deny all they want but Doc is righting the ship over there. I’d still prefer facing them over Miami due to matchups but he deserves credit for this turnaround.
 

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What it looks like to me with Bucks is that the reason they fired Griffith becasue the team had quit on him and the ways that showed up---transition defense being invisible, etc.---were the evidence of it. And Doc just getting them to try again is a big win, and a validation of the decision to jettison Griffith.

I don't know if it's 100% real - e.g. sustainable and against good and different offenses - but I can believe pretty easily that trying makes a big difference for a defense and that seems to be the most basic thing going on here!

Doc isn't a great coach, but he is a good people coach still. That is at least part of whta Bucks needed, seems to me
 

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We've seen this show with Doc before. He's going to get the team playing well to start out, but they'll inevitably flounder in the playoffs and then he'll throw someone else under the bus. Winning streaks should surprise us as much as the eventual scapegoating.