2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread
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Watching teams consistently fail to get 2 for 1 at the end of quarters really makes me appreciate the Celtics and their coaches. Sacto gets the ball with 38 seconds left and doesn’t even try. Just awful.
Impressed? Not sure. But compared to Chicago or Miami.....clearly superior. Definitely a fun game compared to the pure mediocrity of the first game of the evening.
Friday night traffic in Miami makes Boston seem like a walk in the park. This is common for 7pm starts there.
When I had a place in South Beach two decades ago, the only people around the arena besides game goers were homeless sleeping on the sidewalks. There was almost no non-game traffic, and the crowd arrived late, and left early. The lower seating, which the annoying in game hype man called downtown, took the first quarter to fill up. The cheaper seats, called Uptown, were better attended early in the ga,e. Being late to games has always been part of Heat Culture.
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Read a quote from Tatum once that moving to pro-ball and finding that Stevens coached 3 for 2 at the end of quarters, blew his mind.
Read a wild stat today: all 16 teams that made the playoffs this year had a better record than any team Denver beat in last year’s playoffs.
That is crazy. I know that Denver faced the 2nd easiest possible slate of opponents by seed, but the fact that the 4 seed in the west last year had fewer wins than the 8th seed in the east this year is really hard to figure.
Kobe worship is higher among current players than just about every demographic, but whatever. The entire player poll (around 140 responded) is worth a read for anyone with a subscription (and if you don't have one already, you should subscribe to the Athletic):
https://theathletic.com/5433545/2024/04/22/nba-player-poll-2024-lebron-jordan-goat-celtics-nuggets-rudy-gobert-timberwolves/?source=user_shared_article&access_token=5190622
Quick thoughts:
-Players do not respect Gobert (just 6th among best defenders and voted most overrated).
-Celtics are well represented on the most underrated list (White is tied for 1st with Jalen Williams, Holiday is 3rd).
-Players love SGA (4th on most underrated).
-TD Garden is 2nd favorite arena to play in, bit of a surprise to me. I feel like in past years this arena was high on both the best and worst list, this year it's just high on the best list.
-Nobody wants to play for Thibodeau (1st by a mile).
-Everyone thinks either Denver (56%) or Boston (34%) will win the title this year.
-Players like Adam Silver. 93% of players give him either an A or a B, and no Ds or Fs.
-Players are pretty split on the 65 game rule. 50% against, 45% for, 5% don't know.
It's funny how everyone always gives the defending champs great odds ("they're the defending champs"), and meanwhile we've only seen two repeat winners since 2010. Those were:
- maybe the greatest team ever, and they went to game 7 against Houston in the 0-27 game
- a superteam that needed the Ray Allen miracle play
Denver is really good, and might well win, but it feels that the pendulum has swung too far in their direction.
tl;dr: NBA players just hate Rudy.
I actually was surprised 56% picking Denver. I can see the pick, not outrageous, but 34% picking Boston really seems to downplay what the Celtics have put together this year.
Really looking forward to all of the playoffs, but part of me just wants to hit fast forward and get to a Denver-Boston finals.
I actually was surprised 56% picking Denver. I can see the pick, not outrageous, but 34% picking Boston really seems to downplay what the Celtics have put together this year.
Really looking forward to all of the playoffs, but part of me just wants to hit fast forward and get to a Denver-Boston finals.
I wouldn't sleep on Minnesota. Obviously they haven't won anything before, but Denver barely had before last year. Their defense is nasty, and can get Denver into the mud.
None of the players giving Silver a failing grade is pretty impressive. I did find it funny one of the comments for the players criticized Silver for the ASG not being very good. How is that Silver's fault? The players are the ones who don't care!
This is insane lol, getting ridiculous.
View: https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1782492227005997230
View: https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1782492227005997230
Two chubby Euros being rated the best guys in the NBA would have blown my mind if you told me about the future in the 90s.
So by the end of next week Tatum will be no lower than 5th on this list, correct? Since at least 2 of the guys in front of him will be on vacation?
Jalen Brunson has become the most overrated player in the league in record time.
I love Brunson, awesome player. There is no chance he’s even in Tatum’s tier, nevermind ahead. The Celtics won 64 games without a top 5 player in these playoffs, without another top 15, and their coach didn’t finish in the top 3 in COTY? I’m super even keeled, very much a pothead in that I’m pretty much always chill….but I’m really fucking annoyed by all of this shit right now lol.
Tatum had better numbers than Brunson, on a much better team than Brunson, and he’s getting punished because he has a superteam? But also those same writers/etc doubt the other players on the team as well? Fuck out of here lol.
View: https://twitter.com/Mahcus_Smaht/status/1781069982798926150
"Luka over Tatum" is fast becoming the test of whether someone actually understands basketball.
I’m very disgruntled with the analysis of Tatum and the Celtics lol. I usually never care, but after the season we just saw? Fuck off.
I think it may be the most underrated team of all time.. basically as good as any Celtics team ever.. and they’re getting zero recognition for it. Tatum behind 6 guys? Ok.. sure.
I am on the same wavelength. Usually these things don't bother me at all - but come the hell on. No GM in the NBA would choose Brunson over Tatum for their team. It's totally absurd. Brunson is not 5, let's pump the brakes in New York man.
View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1782546054749036883
Reddick interviewing for the CHA job
Reddick interviewing for the CHA job
Honestly pretty shocked by that: it seemed like he enjoyed the media aspect, and it felt like he's more "in the arena" there than he would be losing 43 games in Charlotte.
Surprising---he knows the game and played pro for a long time, but has never coached at any level that I can see.
So both interesting that they'd interview him, and that he'd be interested.
So both interesting that they'd interview him, and that he'd be interested.
He played college ball on Tobacco Rd, but in the snooty part of town. So he may be considered family in NC.
I suspected the media thing was to get himself directly into a head job without having to go through being an assistant. He just happens to be really really good at it. In a selfish way I hope they don’t hire him as his Pod is the best out there right now.
This is his second year coaching his kids team of 9-yr olds. That’s his experience but he knows more about the game than most all assistants out there.
I wouldn't think it possible - or advisable, at any rate - to hire a coach who has never coached college or the pros. The preparation required every day, the workload, the assembling of a staff - he's observed it as a player, but never done it. That's why you hire assistants - people who've at least done it.
Wasn't it revealed that someone impressive had interviewed Redick for an open assistant role under them? He's clearly a great candidate for joining someone for a year or two. I just think a jump straight to head coach is leaning into the good-ol-boy network a little too hard for a league like the NBA.
Wasn't it revealed that someone impressive had interviewed Redick for an open assistant role under them? He's clearly a great candidate for joining someone for a year or two. I just think a jump straight to head coach is leaning into the good-ol-boy network a little too hard for a league like the NBA.
Mazzula offered him a spot as an assistant. He also interviewed for the TOR HC job.
Iirc, there have been several ex-NBA player COY winners either very early in their career or even in there first year without that experience. This is why you build your staff. Redick has been in this league for a dozen years and seems to have great leadership skills. He can do better than that Hornets job imo.
Edit: Doc Rivers in Orlando. Rookie COY without any experience. Larry Bird another. Steve Kerr one more.
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Celtics head coach, who has received multiple Coach of the month awards and at least one vote for Coach of the year:
| Glenville State (assistant) |
| Fairmont State (assistant) |
| Maine Red Claws (assistant) |
| Fairmont State |
| Boston Celtics (assistant) |
| Boston Celtics (interim head coach) |
| Boston Celtics |
I'm sorry, what part of "Mazzulla having assistant roles for years plus a D2 college head coaching job, prior to getting an NBA HC offer" is equivalent to "Redick potentially offered an NBA head coaching job despite never previously receiving a coaching paycheck of any kind"?
I'm not a huge credentialism guy, I'm all for giving young hotshots a chance, but that's a jump. That's a bigger jump than Gregg Popovich offering himself the head coaching job - he'd been a D3 head coach for 8 years, a Kansas assistant, a Spurs assistant for 4 years and a Warriors assistant for 2 years before returning to the Spurs as GM.
Doc Rivers is a good shout, though, HRB - after retiring as a player, he spent 3 years as a TV analyst before going straight to HC. This bit - in an article about Mazzulla - suggests what a rarity it was.
Maybe Redick has been going to coaching clinics and impressing people. Perhaps we should reserve judgment. Charlotte 2024-25 can't be any worse than Orlando 1999-2000 was predicted to be.
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So in the modern era (past 20 years or so), you're looking at Nash... who was a terrible coach, Fisher.... terrible coach, Kerr... very good coach, Kidd... not a good coach (but keeps getting jobs I guess)....Mark Jackson.... not a good coach, Vinny Del Negro... not great, McHale... (short term hard to judge but probably on balance... not good?).
I'd say overall the success rate on these guys has been pretty low.
There’s a ton of examples. I figured back row Joe was simple enough for you given you literally talked about credentials then claim to not care about credentials.