Last nights 0-7 dropped him 5 pct points for the month. He def began on fire which wasn't sustainable then cooled off in November but this variance has been normalized in Dec to that 35-37% range sans last night.
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On the latest Old Man and the Three, Legler and JJ talk about how Porzingis’s range from three opens up the rest of the offense (differentiating from Horford’s “inch behind the line” range), which I think is the point HRB was making as well.
Isn't it crazy how the game has changed? 20 years ago I was preaching spacing on here and guys like Mark Blount provided it (at that time) by stepping out to 17-18 ft, then came Horford which opened things up immensely and now we're on to Kristaps which is mind blowing.
Eye test suggests that JMazz uses 2BIGZ lineups a lot. According to NBA.com,
- Al/KP have played 239 minutes in 20 games
- Al/Luke have played 51 minutes in 10 games
- Al/Queta have played 51 minutes in 8 games
- KP/Luke have played 13 minutes in 4 games
- KP/Queta have played 8 minutes in 1 game
- Luke/Queta played less than 1 minutes in 1 game
So 360-ish minutes total; Cs have played 1440. So maybe not a lot but still significant I would think.
Last night, it looked to me like the game plan was to have Al contest Wemby on the perimeter (or whoever he got switched onto), and KP to stay low to contest drives, and so in combination that's how they'd play vs Wemby. I think Al was matching Wembanyama minute for minute, too, so once the former was done for the night, so was the latter. Made sense given how they were handling the "threat" from every other Spur.
Celtics well represented on this, the Tatum minutes gap over the next closest guy in insane lol.
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It's very worthwhile as a reminder of how durable both of the Jays have been. So easy to take it for granted.
This team hasn't even scratched the surface of its potential. If they remain healthy we could see a historic regular season run at some point. They are that good at both ends and well coached with an actual staff this year.
That seems to include postseason, which makes big numbers easier on teams that make it into a few series. That go seven games.
Agree with your statement. They are shooting 37.4% on 3P shots, good for 11th in the league. Which is fine, but they can shoot better as JT is shooting 34.6%, JB is shooting 35.8% and KP is shooting 32.3% on a total of 18.3 3P shots a game. There's going to be a stretch when they get hot on 3Pers and they are going to demolish teams. Let's hope it's the playoffs.
This is why people don't need to go game thread crazy following losses when we don't play well, take a schedule loss or really any other reason. I'd prefer these losses to a 20-game win streak leading into the playoffs to be peaking in the spring. Also bc our losses are fairly easy to spot which is good...but that's for another thread.
The Cs are undefeated when they shoot above 32% from 3.
https://www.celticsblog.com/2024/1/1/24021410/entering-a-banner-year-10-takeaways-from-boston-celtics-san-antonio-spurs-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown
Loved #10 Payton Pritchard, dime-dropper.
Joe has PP on-ball initiating. Like it
We don't have a Following Former Celtics thread or a Celtics Nostalgia thread, but if we did, this would go there:
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That team WAS loaded, though. Those 5 starters, plus Smart, Scary Terry, Mook Morris, Aron Baynes. Really makes you wonder why Coach Brad couldn't make it click.
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That team WAS loaded, though. Those 5 starters, plus Smart, Scary Terry, Mook Morris, Aron Baynes. Really makes you wonder why Coach Brad couldn't make it click.
Two things:
1. They were the classic paper vs. on the court example
2. Hayweird was a shadow of his former self. He only started 18 games and played 10 less minutes per game than his previous healthy season and scored 11.5 per game..which was a little more than half of what he scored pre-injury. One of, if not THE, worst years of the middle of his career.
also.. Kyrie as stated above.
This was discussed ad nauseum at the time about how all those guys were playing for contracts.....Morris, Kyrie, Rozier, Jaylen's extension coming up so he needed to get numbers, and I think there was a 5th guy too. That was a disaster of a situation for Brad or any coach to handle.
Indeed there was...Al Horford, who promptly left for the 76ers.
It's all right because Danny's contingency plan was to max Kembaya plus add Enes Kanter. All DAR needed to do after that was release a dirt-cheap Aron Baynes
Some of Brad's finest work has been immediately extending players (or letting Grant go).
It's funny that the one recent extension Brad *didn't* make was giving DWhite the max he could this offseason, and now that's going to come back and bite him, at least somewhat.Indeed there was...Al Horford, who promptly left for the 76ers.
It's all right because Danny's contingency plan was to max Kembaya plus add Enes Kanter. All DAR needed to do after that was release a dirt-cheap Aron Baynes
Some of Brad's finest work has been immediately extending players (or letting Grant go).
The majority of this board, I believe, was in favor of a bigger role for DWhite last season but I'm pretty sure it would be a small minority who foresaw this leap forward from him this season. You just don't see that very often from 29 year old players in the NBA.
Yes, I don't think Brad made the wrong decision. It's just funny that "extension = good" has been such a reliable rule for him and the one time he didn't he (surprisingly) should have.
Would extending White in October have in any way impacted the calculus when it comes to Tatum’s supermax and the luxury tax? Could this simply be an order of operations type of decision?
Bingo. This was the "leader" that was supposed to wrangle all of the personalities together...who was recruiting players to go play with him in Brooklyn.
I believe the "2nd leader" was Morris...who is one of the biggest clowns in the NBA. Then there was the whole Hayward subplot (he wasn't very good and Brad kept him as a starter which was an issue with the team)
If you're going to pay White, then no, no tax implications (besides the fact that now he's probably going to make more on his next deal).
The league doesn't start counting the extension dollars against the tax until it takes effect. Jaylen Brown, for example, still counts as $31.8M against the team's cap and luxury tax.
Do we know if there were any talks with White's agent regarding an extension? It's possible that White's agent could have advised him to wait a year, knowing the team would be relying on him more with Marcus Smart out of the picture.
The reports were that the two sides were very engaged this fall, which they wouldn't have been if White was uninterested in an extension at any price.
Thanks. Seems like Stevens wasn't willing to commit the $$$ it would take in October. Understandable, given that White has never been as good as he has been this season. Anyway, not a problem until summer/early fall.
It takes two to tango. White's agent didn't agree to whatever it was that Brad put on the table. Can't blame Brad without knowing what was offered. Looks like White betting on himself is going to pay off handsomely.
I think I remember hearing the bolded too, but it looks odd in hindsight. He started just 18 games that season, only 3 of which came after Thanksgiving. Of course the former all-star in his prime was going to start coming back from injury, and Brad gave him a month to work it out before benching him. All other issues aside, that team just couldn't work without Hayward playing at an all-star level. Tatum/Brown weren't ready, Morris/Rozier were playing for contracts, Kyrie at his best was a terrific offensive player that gave a lot of it back on defense. Horford was great but just a borderline all-star, and Smart was nothing more than a good role player. Without anyone resembling a top 10 player, they didn't have a shot at winning anything. Hayward was supposed to make the jump into being that guy, and the injury just killed him.
Smart's RFA didn't go great for St. Marcus. Players talk amongst themselves. Danny could have been seen as being unreasonable, cold, & "cheap" towards the heart & soul of the Celtics.
At least Brad came in and immediately extended Marcus
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I agree it takes two to tango. My points were that a) there was a limit to what the Celtics could offer (3/85), and b) it's likely White would have taken the upper end of that, given that he and his agent definitely seem to have engaged.
No one knew that White would be this, so it's understandable that a deal wasn't reached.
White's improvement at 29 makes me more optimistic that Jaylen's at 27 is real.
Technically, wouldn't it take three to agree in this case? Ownership would have to be willing to pay what Brad offered or the agent wanted. Especially with the tax penalties.
By two I was referring to Celtics organization and Team White. There are obv multiple people involved and influencing on both sides.
16 games this month in the next 29 days. Some real tough ones too. Big stretch but if they can come out neutral w/ MIL/PHI in the standings at the end of January they'll be looking in good shape for the 1 seed.
Side note, the thunder are the 3rd best team in the NBA by adjusted net rating...and the celtics are 4 point favorites IN OKC tn. Indicative of how strong this team is when everyone's playing.
Side note, the thunder are the 3rd best team in the NBA by adjusted net rating...and the celtics are 4 point favorites IN OKC tn. Indicative of how strong this team is when everyone's playing.
Well, well, well. The return of the no-defense third quarter and the Tatum/Brown turnoverfest has not been welcome. These are the kind of teams that worry me. Not the older teams like Milwaukees and LA teams.
I think something that doesn’t get discussed on here enough is:
- The Celtics operate their business at a loss. They made money a few years ago when under the cap and making a long run with the extra playoff revenue.
- They are going to be deeper in a loss this year and next.
- The person running business ops (Wyc) isn’t actually that liquid. His father put together the ownership group 20 years ago, most of Wyc’s net worth is tied up in the Celtics and a few other PE investments. Pags on the other hand had his wealth surge after they bought the team, but he’s not fully running the show.
Now my understanding is that they’ve been greenlit to do what it takes for the next two years, but adding more long term deals is likely a tough sell for Brad to ownership at the movement.
This is pretty concerning. Don’t they still have to sign Tatum long term? Are they going to be able to do that?
This should fall right in line with that 3rd year, LeBrons Retirement/Ownership and the two new teams in Las Vegas and Seattle.
Seriously. The third quarter Celtics of yesteryear suck and might be the most frustrating thing about the Celtics in the last decade.
Of course.
But think of it as any financial decision. You’re operating at a loss. Someone on your team says, hey we want to go into a deeper loss and commit to that loss for more years, but we hope to get more revenue in 3 years. Are you committing to that today? Or do you say, OK we don’t *need* to do anything now. So let’s get as much flexibility as possible… let’s call this 900 2nd round picks so the pack of our roster is as cheap as can possibly be… let’s get guys that are mostly already signed in the top 7 rotation. Let’s get through the year and see how we do. A championship would make me want to keep spending at a loss. A 2nd round exit and no clarity on future revenue maybe not as easy as a convo. So I think the goal is to avoid causing any freak outs, build the flexibility and cross that bridge when we get there.
Yeah, this is the biggest of no-brainers. There is no chance they don't supermax Tatum. How much they are willing to spend on the rest of the roster in years to come is the question.
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Tatum was incredible in the fourth on both ends.
Not much about tonight concerns me. Jaylen's 0-8 from deep with most of them wide open misses is a reminder of the unfortunate reality that he is not the strong outside shooter he was earlier in his career. Would be nice if he could shoot 38-39% like he did from '19-'21 but it looks like he's settling in as a high volume 34-36% guy. Not ideal but it is what it is.
Tatum’s turnovers were a low pass that Holiday fumbled out of bounds, a defensive rebound that got knocked away, an illegal screen, and a tipped lob to Kornet lol. I’d say that the 30/13/8 makes up for it.
Thunder shot 45% from three, Jaylen and Holiday struggled, and the Celtics lost by 4. Doesn’t matter in the least, there’s nothing to take from it.
Thunder shot 45% from three, Jaylen and Holiday struggled, and the Celtics lost by 4. Doesn’t matter in the least, there’s nothing to take from it.