2023 LDS Game/Discussion Thread

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I don't care what it says about me. I love watching any fanbase celebrate these days. Its the best kind of joy - why should others be denied because of their horrible choice of teams.
 

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Zona couldn't even win 85 games
They are still really good. They were a 100 win team in the games Gabby Moreno wasn't injured and they are built for postseason baseball.

They are also maybe the most fun team in the league. You should just enjoy watching them play.
 

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They are still really good. They were a 100 win team in the games Gabby Moreno wasn't injured and they are built for postseason baseball.

They are also maybe the most fun team in the league. You should just enjoy watching them play.
I hope I see them for at least 8 more games!
 

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You know, I've changed my mind. What MLB should do is, after the regular season, create the playoff grid ... then whichever team has the most victories "wins" that series. So on and so on until the team that won the most games in the regular season is named the World Series champion.
That way, they don't have to keep playing until Halloween
 

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You know, I've changed my mind. What MLB should do is, after the regular season, create the playoff grid ... then whichever team has the most victories "wins" that series. So on and so on until the team that won the most games in the regular season is named the World Series champion.
That way, they don't have to keep playing until Halloween
I feel like this is a solid American compromise. If some people are going to complain about it, then nobody can have it.
 

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Cue the crying “Five days off lost the Series for all the good teams”. Well, if you’re that good, you should have showed up and won. The teams that won earned it with great pitching and timely hitting. Hence, winning baseball.
 

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You know, I've changed my mind. What MLB should do is, after the regular season, create the playoff grid ... then whichever team has the most victories "wins" that series. So on and so on until the team that won the most games in the regular season is named the World Series champion.
That way, they don't have to keep playing until Halloween
Mookie would have the same number of hits under this format.
 
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Ok? He's been worth 1.6 bwar 0.2 fwar over the last 2 seasons while being paid $40m
I believe most teams didn't go after Castellanos because of his poor baseballing. He's delivered less than 2 WAR for $40 million in the first two years of his Philly contract.
What absolute clown takes. The man was an all-star this season and he just almost single-handedly won his team the DS and yet the high priests of SOSH sneer because he doesn't provide good value to the team's shareholders.
 

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What absolute clown takes. The man was an all-star this season and he just almost single-handedly won his team the DS and yet the high priests of SOSH sneer because he doesn't provide good value to the team's shareholders.
Sure. He was an All-Star because he had a good first half and an absolutely atrocious second half, he was a gaping black hole last year, and had a great game tonight. That's totally something that only "shareholders" care about. I apologize for the clown take.
 

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The Phillies have an above average player, by OPS, at every position. And Aaron Nola is their worst starting pitcher by ERA+. It’s a pretty impressive team; and seems like one built for postseason success.
 

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The Phillies have an above average player, by OPS, at every position. And Aaron Nola is their worst starting pitcher by ERA+. It’s a pretty impressive team; and seems like one built for postseason success.
As soon as Harper stepped on the field and Kyle put his glove away this team has been a wagon. This is not a surprise.
 

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TBS just played a clip from the Brian Snitker postgame, where he was asked to give his thoughts on the Braves offensive struggles in the series. He spent the entire answer talking about the time off, and things they tried to do to prepare and stay sharp. Went on about how there's nothing else they could have done.

Didn't at any point say anything about how well Philly pitched in that series (which they sure as hell did). I don't know man, seems kind of chickenshit to me. Between that and the team's whining about the (tame and meaningless) Arcia comments getting out, sure seems like they're clinging to any excuse they can like a life raft.

Not surprising to me that they wilted in Philly back-to-back years.
 

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I've been on the Arizona bandwagon all postseason because they're fun to watch and because good things should happen for Mike Hazen and family. I'll be on that bandwagon until it imminently crashes back to earth in the NLCS, then I'll root for the Rangers. Can't stand the Phillies, but can't stand the Astros even more. Unfortunately I bet that'll be the WS matchup.
 

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Starting pitching really decided all of these series. The Dodgers had nothing, especially after Kershaw got knocked around. The Braves basically only had one good pitcher all series in Strider. Orioles had terrible pitching, which everyone knew was their bugaboo heading into the postseason. The Twins were the only team I would say that had decent starting pitching in the series and still lost.

Nola is a true ace in a league with very, very few of them. He gave up a lot of homers this year so his ERA was not very good, but he's super durable, takes the hill every fifth day and gives your team a chance to win. He's the exact kind of pitcher you want in a playoff series--I'd take him over a lot of guys with better rate stats.
 

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What absolute clown takes. The man was an all-star this season and he just almost single-handedly won his team the DS and yet the high priests of SOSH sneer because he doesn't provide good value to the team's shareholders.
He didn't almost single handedly win anything, but sure, if we're going be 2 games to mean something we should probably include that in addition to sucking in the regular season he was fucking terrible last year in the playoffs as well.
 

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He didn't almost single handedly win anything, but sure, if we're going be 2 games to mean something we should probably include that in addition to sucking in the regular season he was fucking terrible last year in the playoffs as well.
And his teammates love him and they seem to win enough and do well in the postseason. It would be great if the team in Boston could figure something similar out.
 
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He didn't almost single handedly win anything, but sure, if we're going be 2 games to mean something we should probably include that in addition to sucking in the regular season he was fucking terrible last year in the playoffs as well.
He hit more homers than anyone on the Red Sox except for Raffy Devers and is a goddamn postseason hero now. He's a flawed player who doesn't get on base enough and has a poor glove but he's still a good baseball player who makes teams better. Honestly, the people who just cite WAR -- a flawed stat that relies on sss defensive metrics, bluntly adds positional adjustments that don't actually account for team context (see, Betts, Mookie being dinged for merely playing right field when he was a capable center fielder but made room for JBJ), and that absolutely no modern front office even bothers to look at -- are as lazy as the people 30 years ago who cited RBI and nothing else.
 

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He hit more homers than anyone on the Red Sox except for Raffy Devers and is a goddamn postseason hero now. He's a flawed player who doesn't get on base enough and has a poor glove but he's still a good baseball player who makes teams better. Honestly, the people who just cite WAR -- a flawed stat that relies on sss defensive metrics and bluntly adds positional adjustments that don't actually account for team context (see, Betts, Mookie being dinged for merely playing right field when he was a capable center fielder but made room for JBJ) -- are as lazy as the people 30 years ago who cited RBI and nothing else.
Fine, I won't use war at all. He's a slightly above average offensive player who plays terrible defense. He wouldn't start on the 2023 Red Sox, and honestly he might not even make the roster.
 

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Fine, I won't use war at all. He's a slightly above average offensive player who plays terrible defense. He wouldn't start on the 2023 Red Sox, and honestly he might not even make the roster.
I'm pretty sure he has no interesting in playing for the Sox. He enjoys winning.

I wonder how the GM of the Phillies sleeps at night knowing his roster has players not worthy of being on the Red Sox.
 

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And his teammates love him and they seem to win enough and do well in the postseason. It would be great is the team in Boston could figure something similar out.
Is that a plug for Castellanos or for the rest of the Phillies team? Or just generally an argument against Bloom, which is like shooting fish in a barrel? I can't even figure out what arguments are being made for Castellanos in this thread. All I know is that the shareholders apparently don't like him.

Oh, and this:

He's a flawed player who doesn't get on base enough and has a poor glove but he's still a good baseball player who makes teams better.
is some awesome, content free analysis that appears to boil down to "I like him." Which is particularly funny as the author of the post then goes on to call citing WAR lazy, as opposed to citing nothing except raw home run numbers.