2023 NBA Playoffs

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
Rui Hachimura didn't have "the game of his life", that's just who he is. When he was traded to the Lakers, half the port cellar said "he's a bum, nobody who played on the Wizards could possibly have been used and coached poorly!", and the other half had actually watched him play and said "that's a great value pickup there".

He's gonna be expensive in RFA this summer.
Yeah I remember getting killed here for loving this pickup by the Lakers.

Hachimura was one of the guys who came to mind as the type of player who could fill Horford’s role in the other thread. He’s the ultimate frontcourt role player with size to be switchable on bigs and doesn’t require touches and can space the floor. Has an old school game but is still only 24.
 

PedroKsBambino

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
31,818
I've enjoyed hating on Pelinka, and he has largely failed in a lot of ways over the last few years. But he did a very good job at this year's deadline, gotta give him that.
 

slamminsammya

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2006
9,855
San Francisco
Guy is full blown intense whether on the court, in a fans lounge or at a casino. I was expecting him to fall off a cliff at age 34 but he’s played as good if not better than ever this year. I’m fascinated to watch whenever he takes the floor….for a number of reasons lol.
He had a bad shooting year again and was 3-19 last night.
 

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
22,997
Rui Hachimura didn't have "the game of his life", that's just who he is. When he was traded to the Lakers, half the port cellar said "he's a bum, nobody who played on the Wizards could possibly have been used and coached poorly!", and the other half had actually watched him play and said "that's a great value pickup there".

He's gonna be expensive in RFA this summer.
Kicking the tires on a player like Rui was fine but this isn't "just who he is". He shot 29% from three after being traded to the Lakers and just made five threes in a game, a total he has never hit ever in his career. It was actually the game of his life yesterday.
 

InstaFace

The Ultimate One
SoSH Member
Sep 27, 2016
22,502
Pittsburgh, PA
Kicking the tires on a player like Rui was fine but this isn't "just who he is". He shot 29% from three after being traded to the Lakers and just made five threes in a game, a total he has never hit ever in his career. It was actually the game of his life yesterday.
Maybe he shot the 3-point game of his life yesterday, but he's been very usefully defending the opposing team's best wing in order to give LeBron a break, he has a lot of agility in the paint, he's in there after most shots contesting for the offensive board because AD and LeBron can't be bothered and the rest of them lack his vertical, his passing has shown a marked improvement (TOV% from 9.3% to 5.6%)... like, maybe he has less scoring responsibility on the Lakers than he did on the Wizards, his USG% has dropped, but to my eyes, he's being used in much more productive ways now. His On-Off (i.e. mostly independent of his team being good or bad) also went from -4.0 on Washington to +1.8 on the Lakers, suggesting they found a better role for him.

I'd bet on him getting more in RFA than Grant Williams, despite Granite having a very different skillset that is often talked about as essential for a complementary player.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
He had a bad shooting year again and was 3-19 last night.
He had a bad shooting year when he was the league MVP too. That’s all a part of The Westbrook Experience. He pretty much singlehandedly won the game for them down the stretch last night with his defense and rebounding.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
Kicking the tires on a player like Rui was fine but this isn't "just who he is". He shot 29% from three after being traded to the Lakers and just made five threes in a game, a total he has never hit ever in his career. It was actually the game of his life yesterday.
Rui actually shot 45% from three last year and was just short of qualifying to beat Luke Kennard for the league title. He has excellent mechanics and rotation. I’d guess his true number is between the 45 and 29 which is very good for a stretch big.
 

Euclis20

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 3, 2004
8,427
Imaginationland
Rui Hachimura didn't have "the game of his life", that's just who he is. When he was traded to the Lakers, half the port cellar said "he's a bum, nobody who played on the Wizards could possibly have been used and coached poorly!", and the other half had actually watched him play and said "that's a great value pickup there".

He's gonna be expensive in RFA this summer.
His BREF game score for yesterday was 24.7. This was the 216th game of his career (including playoffs), and it was the 3rd highest score of his career. Given that the two games where he scored higher were a loss and a 25 point win (both regular season), and this one was a playoff win that was within a point with 3 minutes left, it's more than reasonable to say that this was the "game of his life," especially considering the stakes.

Rui actually shot 45% from three last year and was just short of qualifying to beat Luke Kennard for the league title. He has excellent mechanics and rotation. I’d guess his true number is between the 45 and 29 which is very good for a stretch big.
His 3p% year by year is .287, .328, .447 and .319. His 3p% in college was .316. One of these things is not like the other...I agree with you that his true number is somewhere between 45% and 29%, but that's just a massive gulf in usefulness. That's bigger than the difference between Daniel Theis or Al Horford taking that open shot, or Blake Griffin vs. Grant Williams.
 

Auger34

used to be tbb
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2010
10,120
As opposed to the mercenary act of Leonard saying "I will sign with you if and only if you trade your entire future draft going out generations in order to get Paul George and only Paul George"?

I mean Durant didn't get to choose his destination, he's just out there trying to make it work.
….but he did get to choose his destination. Durant wanted to go to the Suns. I think he himself has come out and said that
 

Sam Ray Not

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
8,895
NYC
My buddy is a Suns fan who has in-laws with season tickets to this area.

apparently that guy that Russ is screaming at is a gigantic asshole that all of the people with those tickets hate
Ha, nice. (Sometimes it feels like the whole world is max two degrees of separation from a SoSHer.)
 

InstaFace

The Ultimate One
SoSH Member
Sep 27, 2016
22,502
Pittsburgh, PA
….but he did get to choose his destination. Durant wanted to go to the Suns. I think he himself has come out and said that
I know he asked for a trade, I didn't think he asked for a trade to Phoenix specifically. I thought that really depended on the market the Nets could drum up.

Willing to be wrong on that one, for sure.

Either way, I find it hard to blame Durant for wanting out of a toxic situation in Brooklyn. Blaming him for choosing or helping create the team there, wanting to play with Kyrie, is one thing, but I dunno what else he was supposed to do.
 

CaptainLaddie

dj paul pfieffer
SoSH Member
Sep 6, 2004
37,135
where the darn libs live
Guy is full blown intense whether on the court, in a fans lounge or at a casino. I was expecting him to fall off a cliff at age 34 but he’s played as good if not better than ever this year. I’m fascinated to watch whenever he takes the floor….for a number of reasons lol.
He's probably my favorite non-Celtic ever. He's just wired so differently.
 

djbayko

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
26,130
Los Angeles, CA
My buddy is a Suns fan who has in-laws with season tickets to this area.

apparently that guy that Russ is screaming at is a gigantic asshole that all of the people with those tickets hate
Yes, I read that on Twitter too. But Westbrook is always getting into it with fans, more so than the rest of the league. He can’t block that shit out for some reason.
 

the moops

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 19, 2016
4,876
Saint Paul, MN
Sucks that Ja and Giannis got injured, but neither of those plays were especially egregious. There have been far worse instances of players undercutting others
 

PedroKsBambino

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
31,818
Sucks that Ja and Giannis got injured, but neither of those plays were especially egregious. There have been far worse instances of players undercutting others
Did you guys think Giannis was undercut? Seemed to me Love was stable and in position in time; GA just trucked him and landed wrong.
 

Smokey Joe

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 9, 2001
1,187
I know he asked for a trade, I didn't think he asked for a trade to Phoenix specifically. I thought that really depended on the market the Nets could drum up.

Willing to be wrong on that one, for sure.

Either way, I find it hard to blame Durant for wanting out of a toxic situation in Brooklyn. Blaming him for choosing or helping create the team there, wanting to play with Kyrie, is one thing, but I dunno what else he was supposed to do.
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10065145-report-kevin-durant-privately-requested-trade-to-suns-after-kyrie-irving-mavs-deal


Phoenix was one of the destinations he listed during the summer trade request

https://nypost.com/2022/06/30/kevin-durant-trade-request-5-possible-nba-destinations/
 

Euclis20

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 3, 2004
8,427
Imaginationland
Did you guys think Giannis was undercut? Seemed to me Love was stable and in position in time; GA just trucked him and landed wrong.
I did not. I thought it was a charge, and I think it would've been called as such if they hadn't called a borderline offensive foul on Holiday the possession immediately prior.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
I did not. I thought it was a charge, and I think it would've been called as such if they hadn't called a borderline offensive foul on Holiday the possession immediately prior.
Agree and this is exactly how a veteran official should officiate a game. I know others disagree but what is the objective here? When two calls can go either way, and sides not even agree after slo-no replay, how do we criticize officials for not getting it right at game speed? Make up calls or “even up calls” have been necessary forever to maintain fairness.
 

Mystic Merlin

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 21, 2007
47,326
Hartford, CT
Agree and this is exactly how a veteran official should officiate a game. I know others disagree but what is the objective here? When two calls can go either way, and sides not even agree after slo-no replay, how do we criticize officials for not getting it right at game speed? Make up calls or “even up calls” have been necessary forever to maintain fairness.
I don’t think officials should make intentionally wrong calls. There also seems to be some tension between the idea that the game is too fast to reliably officiate to everyone’s liking (probably true) with the idea that officials are at the same time so good that they can knowingly officiate those bang bang calls incorrectly to compensate for a prior perceived incorrect call. Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
I don’t think officials should make intentionally wrong calls. There also seems to be some tension between the idea that the game is too fast to reliably officiate to everyone’s liking (probably true) with the idea that officials are at the same time so good that they can knowingly officiate those bang bang calls incorrectly to compensate for a prior perceived incorrect call. Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post.
Yes you definitely are. Over the course of a game there are a ton of 50/50, 60/40 calls. When one of these go the other way and another comes up shortly thereafter we often see the call go the other way. This is all in the name of fairness. I am certainly not in favor of a blatant call going the other way to “even it out” which we don’t see nearly as much of as in the 70’s/80’s when it was rampant.
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,737
Doesn't there need to be changes to catch up with the speed of game and detail that camera angles now give? NBA should be (is, in the former case) considering:
  1. more than 1 challenge per game. At a minimum you shouldn't lose a challenge you win. And coaches should have at least 2 challenges or 1 per 1. The whole strategy of "well...we'd probably win this challenge in the 1st Q, but better save for a later possibility that might be more crucial" is a bit of a joke.
  2. eye in the sky insta-overturns. Really impressed how the NFL is doing something like this now. There should be some ability of a ref looking at video screens to call down and say "this is the call." I realize this one would have to be defined so it doesn't lead to a lot of slow-downs, but I think there's a way to do that. It might be as simple as being completely informal: just a voice in the earpiece giving input.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
Please no more stoppages!!! I do agree 100% that a team who wins a challenge shouldn’t lose it. That’s simple common sense and I expect that to change soon. I agree with all of your points too.
 

JCizzle

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 11, 2006
21,014
Doesn't there need to be changes to catch up with the speed of game and detail that camera angles now give? NBA should be (is, in the former case) considering:
  1. more than 1 challenge per game. At a minimum you shouldn't lose a challenge you win. And coaches should have at least 2 challenges or 1 per 1. The whole strategy of "well...we'd probably win this challenge in the 1st Q, but better save for a later possibility that might be more crucial" is a bit of a joke.
  2. eye in the sky insta-overturns. Really impressed how the NFL is doing something like this now. There should be some ability of a ref looking at video screens to call down and say "this is the call." I realize this one would have to be defined so it doesn't lead to a lot of slow-downs, but I think there's a way to do that. It might be as simple as being completely informal: just a voice in the earpiece giving input.
Please no more stoppages!!! I do agree 100% that a team who wins a challenge shouldn’t lose it. That’s simple common sense and I expect that to change soon. I agree with all of your points too.
I think these are good ideas to expand replay appropriately, but to cut down on the stoppages (or at least their impact) they really need to implement a strict replay timer in my opinion. If you can't figure it out in a reasonable amount of time (60 seconds?), just call it inconclusive and play on with the call on the court. The NBA seems to be the worst league currently in terms of replays just dragging on forever.
 

snowmanny

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 8, 2005
15,850
When there is obvious contact but it’s unclear who was really at fault and the refs call nothing, well that impresses me. I suppose maybe they get dinged by the league office because in slow motion it’s technically a foul on A or B so it’s hard to let it go. But bodies on the floor and let’s keep playing? I’m all for more of that.

Would have been fine with that on the Giannis play.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
When there is obvious contact but it’s unclear who was really at fault and the refs call nothing, well that impresses me. I suppose maybe they get dinged by the league office because in slow motion it’s technically a foul on A or B so it’s hard to let it go. But bodies on the floor and let’s keep playing? I’m all for more of that.

Would have been fine with that on the Giannis play.
Charles Oakley and the late Anthony Mason would like to invite you into their posse.
 

PedroKsBambino

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
31,818
What's hard sometimes (not all the time) about a no-call when there's a lot of contact is the play doesn't really continue, or other times the play continues but a bunch of players stop because they expect the whistle. So I agree that at times the solomonic outcome is a no-call....and other times, that isn't really a viable option.
 

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
22,997
Russillo had the best take on Russ last night which was "No matter what your opinion is on Westbrook, that game just proved that you are right."
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
11,705
around the way
I get a kick out of the Pelinka kudos, since most of the reason why a guy like Hachimura was such a great add to their roster is because Pelinka fucked the roster so badly.
 

radsoxfan

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 9, 2009
13,857
I get a kick out of the Pelinka kudos, since most of the reason why a guy like Hachimura was such a great add to their roster is because Pelinka fucked the roster so badly.
For sure.

I'm probably lower on Hachimura than most here (I think he pretty much stinks), but even with rose colored glasses he's barely a fringe rotation guy for most playoff teams.

The only reason he's even kind of useful for the Lakers is because they were trying to give minute to guys who were even worse.
 

djbayko

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
26,130
Los Angeles, CA
What's hard sometimes (not all the time) about a no-call when there's a lot of contact is the play doesn't really continue, or other times the play continues but a bunch of players stop because they expect the whistle. So I agree that at times the solomonic outcome is a no-call....and other times, that isn't really a viable option.
I don't have any sympathy for players who stop playing without a whistle. That's one of the first things you learn in sports as a child. I don't agree the Giannis play should have been a no-call, but players potentially not playing until a whistle shouldn't be a concern when making that decision.
 

djbayko

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
26,130
Los Angeles, CA
This is what I'm talking about with Westbrook...

Eddie Gonzalez of FanDuel was close to the altercation and said the fan called Westbrook "Westbrick," a popular taunt that has rankled the 2018 NBA MVP in the past.
Clippers' Russell Westbrook, Fan Altercation Video to Be Investigated by Suns

The fan didn't say anything about his daughter or use any racial slurs. He poked fun at his playing ability. Maybe they guy's a super obnoxious fan, but you have to be mentally stronger than this as a player.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
30,722
For sure.

I'm probably lower on Hachimura than most here (I think he pretty much stinks), but even with rose colored glasses he's barely a fringe rotation guy for most playoff teams.

The only reason he's even kind of useful for the Lakers is because they were trying to give minute to guys who were even worse.
The guy was a key frontcourt piece to their 17-7 finish and we saw what happened in G1…..what does a guy have to do?
 

Cellar-Door

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
35,260
He’s been doing it for them since he was acquired. Obv not to the level of what happened in G1. It’s funny how his G1 performance has brought people out to say how awful he is lol.
This is probably pushing it a bit... he's played like an 8th/9th man since they got him. He's still pretty bad and that's from someone who thought (still do) it was a good trade.
He shot under 30% from 3 with the Lakers, he's below league average efficiency scoring... okay rebounder, okay defender. He wouldn't crack a number of playoff team rotations, but some he would. He's pretty replacement level.
..