2023 Offseason MLB News/Rumors Thread

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I thought Bonds picked the Giants because his father and godfather (Willie Mays) played for them? I was a kid at the time, so maybe that's the romanticized version that I just accepted as truth, but at the time, it seemed like the only destination for him.
 

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I thought Bonds picked the Giants because his father and godfather (Willie Mays) played for them? I was a kid at the time, so maybe that's the romanticized version that I just accepted as truth, but at the time, it seemed like the only destination for him.
I believe he also spent more of his childhood there than anywhere else (graduated from high school in the area). I seriously doubt Bonds to San Francisco was any bit of a surprise at all, but I honestly don't remember anything about it except that he'd burned his bridges with the Pirates by that point.
 

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The Giants were going through an ownership change, stadium issues, and plans to relocate to Tampa Bay that fell through. Bonds wanted to always play for the Giants but the franchise was kind of unstable at the time. They finally got a new owner and made Bonds a huge offer.
 

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Toronto makes sense actually. Has that "SF if it were clean" feel, international. But neither SF nor Toronto is that high in terms of Japanese residents. Dodgers make more sense in that regard

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1083767/japan-cities-outside-of-japan-with-highest-number-of-japanese-residents/
In the case Ohtani, I'm not sure that any of that matters. He's going to fill seats wherever he lands. The one influence that his ethnicity might have is if he elects to play in the time zone that is most viewer friendly to Japan and much of Asia.
 

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Lots of Ohtani buzz at the moment.
Heard rumors about Blue Jays and now Dave Roberts is confirming the Dodgers spoke with him. I thought we were told that teams talking publicly about that would be crossed off list.
 

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I won't be surprised if Ohtani plays somewhere away from the west coast. He's more familiar with the US and probably more comfortable with the various challenges than he was when he started.

Still think the Dodgers are most likely though.
 

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I can’t imagine Ohtani, who only wanted to play on the West Coast before, would go play in Toronto.
I don't believe he will end up signing with TOR either, but 1) that was 5 years ago before he had lived anywhere in the US and 2) even then he had the Cubs on his short list, along with a bunch of West Coast teams.
 

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I can’t imagine Ohtani, who only wanted to play on the West Coast before, would go play in Toronto.
There was an interesting take on this on MLB Network. I forget who was making the point, but Ohtani basically just two things. He plays baseball and he trains. The Jays have invested $100M into their spring training facility and $300M into the Rodger's Centre with a heavy focus on training facilities. There was also mention of how he seems to thrive in controlled atmospheres and that the Rogers Center is reminiscent of his home stadium in Japan.
 

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I won't be surprised if Ohtani plays somewhere away from the west coast. He's more familiar with the US and probably more comfortable with the various challenges than he was when he started.

Still think the Dodgers are most likely though.
I don't believe he will end up signing with TOR either, but 1) that was 5 years ago before he had lived anywhere in the US and 2) even then he had the Cubs on his short list, along with a bunch of West Coast teams.
Appreciate the Yankee fan optimism that he’ll consider east coast teams :kitty:

I remember he included Cubs as well the first time around. And fair point that his criteria may be different now than then. I recalled, though, that the west coast requirement seemed pretty emphatic before so if choices are relatively equal otherwise, I’d still bet one of those teams over Toronto.
 

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There was an interesting take on this on MLB Network. I forget who was making the point, but Ohtani basically just two things. He plays baseball and he trains. The Jays have invested $100M into their spring training facility and $300M into the Rodger's Centre with a heavy focus on training facilities. There was also mention of how he seems to thrive in controlled atmospheres and that the Rogers Center is reminiscent of his home stadium in Japan.
$102M!
120k square foot clubhouse which includes an inclined agility training hill, which allegedly is amazing and the best in the Grapefruit League. I didn’t see it but the security guy protecting it from curious weirdos like me was raving about it.
 

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In related news, Ohtani will not be signing with ESPN.

View: https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/1732194561848721747
Got to hand it to Buster... only the greats can churn out low effort garbage articles complaining that they are being prevented from being handed low effort garbage articles because someone has the temerity to not do what Buster wants. I laughed a bit where he said "he has unprecedented leverage" totally oblivious to ... yes he does which is why he gets to do what he wants, and what he wants is to be private and not make his life a press spectacle.
 

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Got to hand it to Buster... only the greats can churn out low effort garbage articles complaining that they are being prevented from being handed low effort garbage articles because someone has the temerity to not do what Buster wants. I laughed a bit where he said "he has unprecedented leverage" totally oblivious to ... yes he does which is why he gets to do what he wants, and what he wants is to be private and not make his life a press spectacle.
Rosenthal just wrote something similar on the Athletic, calling for a transaction freeze from December 15 to February 1, among other suggestions.
 

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Got to hand it to Buster... only the greats can churn out low effort garbage articles complaining that they are being prevented from being handed low effort garbage articles because someone has the temerity to not do what Buster wants. I laughed a bit where he said "he has unprecedented leverage" totally oblivious to ... yes he does which is why he gets to do what he wants, and what he wants is to be private and not make his life a press spectacle.
I mostly agree, but I do think all of the Dave Roberts said we met with Ohtani shame IS silly.

This free agency is so private and sensitive that a big-market team even mentioning that they'd like to sign Ohtani and are one of the possible landing spots (something that's not really that surprising to begin with) is a bad leak? How serious is this, are we talking nuclear secrets?
 

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I didn't read Olney's article but I do agree that a once in a generation, literally, player is a free agent and only baseball fans care. Lebron sweepstakes are a worldwide story when he was switching teams and it grew the sport. Ohtani being shopped around and doing an interview would be amazing. There's just no buzz. It's like he's any other free agent.
 

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I didn't read Olney's article but I do agree that a once in a generation, literally, player is a free agent and only baseball fans care. Lebron sweepstakes are a worldwide story when he was switching teams and it grew the sport. Ohtani being shopped around and doing an interview would be amazing. There's just no buzz. It's like he's any other free agent.
I’m not sure a translated interview would generate that much interest beyond the people who are already interested. But I think the big thing is self promotion isn’t part of the Japanese culture like it is here so I don’t really begrudge Ohtani for his approach.
 

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I’m not sure a translated interview would generate that much interest beyond the people who are already interested. But I think the big thing is self promotion isn’t part of the Japanese culture like it is here so I don’t really begrudge Ohtani for his approach.
I don't begrudge him for it, I just think baseball sucks at elevating their brand. It's so transactional and everything is so behind the scenes. Ohtani is gonna sign, there's gonna be a press conference, and that's it. If I was ESPN, I would have done a 1 or 2 episode documentary on Ohtani, his impact in Japan, his impact in the US, playing next to Trout...There's a story there about the person behind the uniform.
 

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I didn't read Olney's article but I do agree that a once in a generation, literally, player is a free agent and only baseball fans care. Lebron sweepstakes are a worldwide story when he was switching teams and it grew the sport. Ohtani being shopped around and doing an interview would be amazing. There's just no buzz. It's like he's any other free agent.
I think if Ohtani did an interview it would be filled trying to dance around the questions that everyone wants to ask. He's not going to reveal anything relevant at this stage, nor should he. Question the gag order that he's imposed on team a if you like, but I'm not really sure what an interview at this does for anyone. Somehing in depth, post signing might be interesting. The FA process itself, his personal process in making the decision, how it might differ from what he's observed with other players both here and in Japan, his thoughts on preparing himself to pitch again, etc....
 

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I think if Ohtani did an interview it would be filled trying to dance around the questions that everyone wants to ask. He's not going to reveal anything relevant at this stage, nor should he. Question the gag order that he's imposed on team a if you like, but I'm not really sure what an interview at this does for anyone. Somehing in depth, post signing might be interesting. The FA process itself, his personal process in making the decision, how it might differ from what he's observed with other players both here and in Japan, his thoughts on preparing himself to pitch again, etc....
the interview isn't "what team do you want to play for." It's "who are you"
 

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I don't begrudge him for it, I just think baseball sucks at elevating their brand. It's so transactional and everything is so behind the scenes. Ohtani is gonna sign, there's gonna be a press conference, and that's it. If I was ESPN, I would have done a 1 or 2 episode documentary on Ohtani, his impact in Japan, his impact in the US, playing next to Trout...There's a story there about the person behind the uniform.
Yeah, could have done a whole episode on the WBC because you could tell he wanted to win that so badly and the emotion he showed after striking out Trout was more than we’ve basically seen in 6 years.
 

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I don't begrudge him for it, I just think baseball sucks at elevating their brand. It's so transactional and everything is so behind the scenes. Ohtani is gonna sign, there's gonna be a press conference, and that's it. If I was ESPN, I would have done a 1 or 2 episode documentary on Ohtani, his impact in Japan, his impact in the US, playing next to Trout...There's a story there about the person behind the uniform.
Baseball is so incredibly bad at marketing its current players, it has to be intentional. The players who hit and pitched in the past, MLB are wizards in making you give a shit about them. But the current players? Ooof. So bad.
 

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Baseball is so incredibly bad at marketing its current players, it has to be intentional. The players who hit and pitched in the past, MLB are wizards in making you give a shit about them. But the current players? Ooof. So bad.
So true. Netflix needs to do their baseball doc following a few young players. I never cared so much about tennis before I watched their doc and got to know the young players and what they care about.

How cool would it be to watch a few of the young players for next season, episode by episode, training for the new season, talking about current events, talking about playing time...etc.
 

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I’m old enough to remember fans and media crucifying Lebron for The Decision and making a spectacle out of his free agency.
Yeah, I don't get the upset over this. It'll be the largest contract in baseball history for one of the two unicorns in baseball history. I'd want it to be private as well.
What bothers me more is the number of media voices I've heard saying it would be better for "baseball" that Ohtani, Soto, Yamamoto, future big names all wind up in the biggest media markets.
 

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So true. Netflix needs to do their baseball doc following a few young players. I never cared so much about tennis before I watched their doc and got to know the young players and what they care about.

How cool would it be to watch a few of the young players for next season, episode by episode, training for the new season, talking about current events, talking about playing time...etc.
The problem is it would totally screw with MLB's marketing philosophy of "You think Player X is good now? He's nothing compared to Babe Ruth. Or Willie Mays. Or Cy Young. Or Hank Aaron. Or any other dead guy that barely anyone on this Earth recalls watching play." What's strange is that when young viewers are told that their stars don't matter and aren't as good as the ones that came before it*, they tend to believe it and wander away from the game. Then MLB is like, "I think those damn video games and Tik Toks are the reason for our youth problem!"

* Look at the studio for MLB Network, there are two images of Jackie Robinson and Babe Ruth. Both wildly iconic figures and giants of American history. They absolutely matter just not in this context. If I'm watching Pirates/Phillies highlights I don't need to see those two dudes staring at me because consciously or unconsciously what these two players from generations ago are saying is that history means more than what's happening today. And no one wants to be reminded of that. The NBA doesn't do this. Neither does the NFL, NCAA, EPL or even the NHL. It's all about now. MLB is all about then.
 

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Speculation that the Soto package will be King/Thorpe/Brito/Vasquez/catcher. Seems like an overpay in a vacuum for 1 year of $33m Soto, but sensible for both teams generally. The Padres need a lot of depth & the Yankees have more competent-looking pitchers & 40-man catchers than anyone.
My only analysis on Soto to the MFY is I look forward to the game threads, me included to be honest, wanting him to get drilled every time he does that goddamn shuffle on a close take.