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Are we counting G League? I think he’ll be a first round pick, mostly because this draft looks awful, but I do wonder whether he’ll be on an active roster all year.
Considering 45 of the top 46 players drafted this year have played in the NBA this year (the 1 that hasn't was drafted 31st and didn't sign and is currently playing in Europe) I feel pretty confident that he'll be on an active roster for at least part of next year.
 

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Considering 45 of the top 46 players drafted this year have played in the NBA this year (the 1 that hasn't was drafted 31st and didn't sign and is currently playing in Europe) I feel pretty confident that he'll be on an active roster for at least part of next year.
You went from seeing the floor next year, presumably this means at a minimum of backend rotation minutes, to being on the active roster for at least part of next year.

15-man rosters x 30 teams. Tacko Fall was on a roster for a couple years as a developmental guy. I’m sure someone will take a shot on him in the 2nd round (good luck to a team wasting a first) but in 2024 a guy that Luke Kornet can run circles around isn’t going to see rotation minutes.
 

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You went from seeing the floor next year, presumably this means at a minimum of backend rotation minutes, to being on the active roster for at least part of next year.

15-man rosters x 30 teams. Tacko Fall was on a roster for a couple years as a developmental guy. I’m sure someone will take a shot on him in the 2nd round (good luck to a team wasting a first) but in 2024 a guy that Luke Kornet can run circles around isn’t going to see rotation minutes.
Because I was responding to someone questioning if he'd be on an active roster. Fucking Jordan Walsh has seen the floor this year, of course Edey will see it at some point.
 

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Because I was responding to someone questioning if he'd be on an active roster. Fucking Jordan Walsh has seen the floor this year, of course Edey will see it at some point.
Yeah, I questioned if he’d be on an active roster “all year”, not if he’d be on a roster at all. That argument is between you and Reggie.
 

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Because I was responding to someone questioning if he'd be on an active roster. Fucking Jordan Walsh has seen the floor this year, of course Edey will see it at some point.
Yeah probably but the “seeing the floor” definition wasn’t meant to be so literal. Better question….what do you see his career arc looking like?
 

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Anyone watching Edey today should be able to easily recognize why he isn’t playable at the next level. Two decades too late.
 

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I mean…if the guy gets taken in the top 14 he’s going to be on an active roster. I don’t think there’s any question abut that.

if the question is will he be worth a shit in the NBA, then I will absolutely say no. Little mobility, toughness, or touch. His biggest skill in college is being way taller than everyone else and drawing fouls. I have a hard time imagining that will translate
 

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I mean…if the guy gets taken in the top 14 he’s going to be on an active roster. I don’t think there’s any question abut that.

if the question is will he be worth a shit in the NBA, then I will absolutely say no. Little mobility, toughness, or touch. His biggest skill in college is being way taller than everyone else and drawing fouls. I have a hard time imagining that will translate
Right. So to think these mocks know anything or that any lottery team would even consider him is pretty much saying that a guy who spent years working his way up to GM should essentially be working for Barstool.
 

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Who is the guy in last five years that best approximates Edey in NBA? Obviously limited data/candidates because that profile doesn’t work well there

is it perhaps Enes Kanter?
 

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Who is the guy in last five years that best approximates Edey in NBA? Obviously limited data/candidates because that profile doesn’t work well there

is it perhaps Enes Kanter?
Kanter was much more mobile. A poor man’s current version of Boogie? Tacko? I mean where is his offense even going to come from at the next level? Each time he puts it on the floor that is an auto-steal in the NBA.
 

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Yeah thought about Tacko but he had zero offensive game…Edey at least has that.

Okafor shows how rare the profile is in todays game
 

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KOC has Edey going 17. That kind of surprised me. Sam Vecenie has mocked him in the first round, largely because the feedback he gets from people with jobs with NBA teams is that Edey will probably go in the first round.

I don't see it. Maybe they see some Steven Adams in him? (To clarify, the screening talent is what I mean here.) Adams seems much more mobile to me.
 

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Yeah thought about Tacko but he had zero offensive game…Edey at least has that.

Okafor shows how rare the profile is in todays game
Understatement here. Edey's ppg over his career has been 8.7, 14.4, 22.3, 25.0. Tacko's was 7.4, 10.9, 11.3, 11.1. Even if Edey won't be a bigtime scorer at the next level, it's really helpful to be able to put the ball in the basket.
 

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Who is the guy in last five years that best approximates Edey in NBA? Obviously limited data/candidates because that profile doesn’t work well there

is it perhaps Enes Kanter?
I don’t think Kanter was more mobile than Edey. I think they were roughly the same. I think Kanter had a much wider base and was more tough/tougher to move than Edey.

I think Edey is worth a pick in the 25-later range. Anything before that is insane (IMO). In watching him, I am kind of struck at how little “base” he has. He gets moved off of his spot way too easily
 

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Yeah Adams is a lot more mobile.

Kanter to me is the idea—-make Edey a second unit big who can score some and protect the rim (which Kanter couldn’t). I don’t buy it but that has to be the hope.
 

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KOC has Edey going 17. That kind of surprised me. Sam Vecenie has mocked him in the first round, largely because the feedback he gets from people with jobs with NBA teams is that Edey will probably go in the first round.

I don't see it. Maybe they see some Steven Adams in him? Adams seems much more mobile to me.
Givony, who is the best in the game right now, has him at 12. Apparently the NBA thinks higher of him than we do
 

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I guess the other way to look at hm is as a guy who is useful regular season—-a lot of teams can’t guard him—and worry about playoffs later?

surprised these guys mock him so high—I see a late first/early second where you think he might be a rotation guy at best
 

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Is this draft lining up to be 2000-level historically bad or is it merely very bad like the Yao Ming or Anthony Bennett classes.
 

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Yeah thought about Tacko but he had zero offensive game…Edey at least has that.
In college yes but how does he score easily in the NBA? He can’t put the ball on the floor at all, you don’t want him taking middies, and every big he’ll face is going to be quicker and more athletic.
 

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Givony, who is the best in the game right now, has him at 12. Apparently the NBA thinks higher of him than we do
Hey I respect him but that is nuts. I don’t think people recognize how slow he’ll be on the floor against NBA athletes….he’s slow for the Big Ten!
 

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Edey certainly resembles Tacko and Boban, but if he ends up a better version of them he'll carve out a role.
Tacko had no real basketball skills but Boban was a real good scorer and I’ll go far as to say borderline elite. Smooth moves, soft touch and a scorers mentality…..he just couldn’t play for more than 4-5 min at a time.
 

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Tacko had no real basketball skills but Boban was a real good scorer and I’ll go far as to say borderline elite. Smooth moves, soft touch and a scorers mentality…..he just couldn’t play for more than 4-5 min at a time.
Edey strikes me as a healthy, in-shape, “good” version of Boban. I mean that as a compliment.

I think he’ll have his limitations but he might be better than the general consensus.
 

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Edey strikes me as a healthy, in-shape, “good” version of Boban. I mean that as a compliment.

I think he’ll have his limitations but he might be better than the general consensus.
Edey is 10 times better than Tacko Fall. Edey plays in a power conference against excellent teams and has dominated offensively. Yes, he's bigger than almost every center he played against by by 3-5", but to compare him to Tacko, IMO, is seriously flawed. That said, I agree that his NBA success will be limited and that he should not be picked in the top 20
 

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Edey is 10 times better than Tacko Fall. Edey plays in a power conference against excellent teams and has dominated offensively. Yes, he's bigger than almost every center he played against by by 3-5", but to compare him to Tacko, IMO, is seriously flawed. That said, I agree that his NBA success will be limited and that he should not be picked in the top 20
Where did I say anything about Tacko Fall?
 

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Where did I say anything about Tacko Fall?
I think I mentioned him as someone he’d look like at this level which wasn’t meant to say that Edey wasn’t 10x the college player Tacko was….of course he was. My point was they are both unplayable for many of the same reasons….inability to defend, inability to retreat defensively, and slow within an offensive set making scoring difficult while stagnating the offense.
 

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I think I mentioned him as someone he’d look like at this level which wasn’t meant to say that Edey wasn’t 10x the college player Tacko was….of course he was. My point was they are both unplayable for many of the same reasons….inability to defend, inability to retreat defensively, and slow within an offensive set making scoring difficult while stagnating the offense.
Gotcha, maybe he meant to quote you and not me then.

Agree with your analysis, I think we all agree Edey’s floor is way above Tacko Fall. But “way above Tacko” still may not reach the level of an above average NBA starter. Particularly with how the game is now played in the NBA.
 

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I think I mentioned him as someone he’d look like at this level which wasn’t meant to say that Edey wasn’t 10x the college player Tacko was….of course he was. My point was they are both unplayable for many of the same reasons….inability to defend, inability to retreat defensively, and slow within an offensive set making scoring difficult while stagnating the offense.
Right, and I don't take exception to HRB's analysis, I just don't think Fall is a good comp.
 

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Gotcha, maybe he meant to quote you and not me then.

Agree with your analysis, I think we all agree Edey’s floor is way above Tacko Fall. But “way above Tacko” still may not reach the level of an above average NBA starter. Particularly with how the game is now played in the NBA.
correct.
 

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this is an overreaction to one game but: zach edey will be a terrible nba player.
I think it’s just a regular reaction. Immobile, can’t space the floor, has no offense other than a hook in the lane or a lob.

Here’s a comp: Neemias Queta or any other immobile, offensively challenged 7 footers on the very end of NBA benches.
 

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Queta is way more mobile. You have to have some mobility to get as many goaltending calls as he gets.
 

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I think it’s just a regular reaction. Immobile, can’t space the floor, has no offense other than a hook in the lane or a lob.
Here's my question, and let's ignore the mobility thing.., will Edey even be able to post up in the lane in the NBA? He doesn't seem to have strong legs or the ability to move big defenders.

I am still stunned that he is seen as a late lottery pick right now
 

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Here's my question, and let's ignore the mobility thing.., will Edey even be able to post up in the lane in the NBA? He doesn't seem to have strong legs or the ability to move big defenders.

I am still stunned that he is seen as a late lottery pick right now
Definitely not the extent he could in college, he will be a turnover machine if he tries to take a few dribbles on a post up.

I think people have to remember this is REALLY weak draft. If he's getting some talk in the mid first round, it's not automatically because people think he's got All-Star potential. Look at some of the guys predicted around him, they also have a ton of flaws.

Edey at least has dominated in college and you can squint and see him as a useful role player in the right set up. This year, that's all you need to get some late lotto chatter going.
 

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I don't know why folks think he can't be a third big, along the lines of a Kornet in the NBA. He'll never be Olajuwon or Shaq or anything, but those were consensus #1 overall picks. If Edey gets drafted between 15-25, and carves out a role playing 10-15 minutes a game for some team, it's not a bad draft pick. That's successful, as far as the back end of the first goes, isn't it?

And I don't see why he can't have a Kornet level career. Saying he doesn't have the upside of Kornet seems weird to me. Kornet can't put the ball on the floor either, he can't stay with quicker players (or even relatively quick players), he's an old school rim protector, guy who bangs around, can catch an easy lob or two and just give you minutes.

I also think Edey suffers from the fact that Matt Painter literally ran the guy into the ground. The guy was on the court in the last 4 games of the NCAA tournament for 38, 39, 40 and 39 minutes (reminder, they only play 40 minutes in college games). Dude was gassed, and rightfully so. He averaged 32 minutes per game over the last 2 seasons, Even when they're out there beating teams by 20, Edey was getting 30 minutes a night.

He's never going to be an NBA all star, but those guys typically aren't being drafted at the bottom half of the first either. I mean, Walker Kessler is out there getting 23 minutes a night. I know they're not the same guy, but I don't see any reason Edey couldn't play 15 a night for someone.
 

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I really want to see the Spurs take Clingan and pair him with Wemby. Not sure if it would work but the rim protection would be off the charts.
 

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It’s possible, but Kornet looks quick to me compared to Edey.
Kornet is definitely quick compared to Edey. It's not just Edey's foot speed- his processing on the defensive end is slow. He's consistently a step behind the play at the college level; NBA ball movement is going to give him whiplash. I see very little path for him becoming a rotation player for a good team, but Brook Lopez was once a poor defender who didn't shoot threes, so it's possible. Barring that type of growth, he'll be unplayable in the playoffs. I'm trying to thing of 7 footers who are significant liabilities on defense and don't stretch the floor, but Kanter's the only one coming to mind from recent years... are there any in the league right now? There's a reason Clingan is widely projected as a lottery pick and Edey's back end of the first round in a terrible draft. Bigs gotta play D in the association.
 

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I don’t think any team is excited about taking Luke Kornet with a top 15 pick. As you get to the end of the first round it makes much more sense