My guess at this point is that they plan to buy him out in the offseason. His cash matches his cap hit and Nashville is retaining half. (4m). It would be a 1.333m cap hit for both teams thru 2026.
2024 NHL Trade Deadline Thread
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Tampa is buying a 2024 4th frp, Edmonton as the launderer for Henrique/Carrick.
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Looks like Wennberg to NYR. Center options diminishing quickly.
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It's convoluted but it's because the pick the Rangers are trading is a conditional one they acquired from Dallas in the Nils Lundqvit deal.
Dallas traded a 2023 1st and a conditional 2025 4th to NYR for Lundqivst prior to last season. The conditions on the 2025 pick is that it can upgrade to a 2025 3rd if Lundqvist scored 55 points between 2 years (last season and this year- he's at 31). NYR is now trading that pick to Seattle for Wennberg.
We have no picks to make up the difference there, so what else could we prospectively be giving up to upgrade from DeBrusk to Lindholm?
I’m not sure I would do that trade if I were Pittsburgh. I would want futures instead of DeBrusk.
Plus they check all the boxes of why guys would want to play for a team:
Good team
Warm weather
Fan base where they’ll never criticized
Wives and kids get to be anonymous and sit by the pool all day.
Golf on off days all year.
Night life for the single guys.
The lifestyle must be awesome out there for those guys.
Vancouver would send them futuresz Bruins too.
I can see the DeBrusk appeal. He’ll be cheaper than Guentzel and they aren’t going to completely tear it down around Sid/Geno/Ketang/Karlsson.
And I'm sure Stone will be back just in time to start the playoffs. Again.
Vegas just put Alec Martinez on LTIR this morning.
Mark Stone should have a lacerated spleen and that is a real serious injury... surely that can't be exaggerated / faked, right? Right?!
Mark Stone should have a lacerated spleen and that is a real serious injury... surely that can't be exaggerated / faked, right? Right?!
I was hoping we would find some way to get Hannefin and extend him. Hopefully we could still sign him on the off season
The no state tax thing helps but it’s a little overrated since you get taxed where each game is actually played. So it’s really only home games. The weather and lifestyle are huge to these guys (and the wives).
Dreger suggests otherwise, in that they are working on an extension.
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re: Hanifin
https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1765582988786512064?s=12
“Return on Hanifin is Miromanov, a 1st round pick and a 3rd that becomes a second if Vegas wins a round”
https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1765583123931087224?s=46&t=FPMnX382DP8UpFh1kbfbNw
“Double salary retention. Philly the broker”
https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1765582988786512064?s=12
“Return on Hanifin is Miromanov, a 1st round pick and a 3rd that becomes a second if Vegas wins a round”
https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1765583123931087224?s=46&t=FPMnX382DP8UpFh1kbfbNw
“Double salary retention. Philly the broker”
Extension or not, I don't think it's a lot. It's essentially a 2025 (or 2026...get to that in a second) 1st and Miromanov for Hanifin. The other picks are for the retention. I don't know a ton about Miromanov but on the surface he looks like a Wotherspoon. He's 26 so not really a prospect and has less than 40 games of NHL experience, bouncing between the NHL and AHL for the past 3 years. I think most of us would've traded a 2025 1st and Wotherspoon for Hanifin, even without an extension?
The condition on the first is that the pick becomes a 2026 1st if Vegas trades their 2025 1st in another deal before 3/10. So Vegas still has their 2024 and 2025 1st's and $3.8 million in cap space. Come on down, Jake Guentzel!
LHD, defensive defenseman. He's only 30, if I had guessed before looking it up I would've thought he was like 45 by now. Pending UFA, half of his salary is being retained by Montreal already so his cap hit is $1.75 million. Washington retaining could get him down to $875,000.
Makes me wonder about Grz/Forbort. Forbort has fallen off post-injury and has been a healthy scratch for 3 of the last 4 games (one was for disciplinary reasons).
Maybe the Bruins one-stop shop with Washington? Pacioretty would be a cheap upgrade on the wing. $2 million cap hit, has dealt with a ton of injuuries over the past 2 seasons but has been playing regularly for a few months now. Full NMC but he is from CT so maybe home-ish works.
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SSS, but Grz has looked noticeably better (especially more engaging physically) the last couple of games. Hard to know, of course, how that might impact Sweeney's approach.
He’s also seen this movie before with Grzelcyk. He’s probably going to get banged up again before or during the playoffs when the physicality ramps up again.
I’m just waiting for the Sweeney “Wow, I didn’t see that coming!” Deadline trade that we usually see.
I thought at the beginning of the season that the cap, the previous trades of futures, and the general, "sign lots of vets to minimum deals and hope the goalies keep us competitive" vibe likely meant that the deadline would be quiet unless they just stunk-and-dumped. It would be easy to change course now in light of the team's success so far. But, on balance, I don't think any sort of real game-changer is likely or advisable.
They are certainly limited and aren't going to be as aggressive in the rental market like they were last year but the deadline is really when Sweeney does most of his team building work. They don't do much in the summer.
I'm OK with Sweeney standing pat this year due to cap and asset constraints, but a sneaky move I'd be OK with would be finding a way to land Tyler Toffoli
That's certainly been his history. But after a few years of biggish moves and the retirements, I think this deadline/offseason is one that results in a different approach. Like others have said, Sweeney's full of surprises, and I'm no NHL talent scout, but I'm hard pressed to see player movement this week that will be a net positive. (I'm assuming that, unlike a team that was bound to miss the playoffs, Sweeney doesn't want to weaken the current team).
Yeah, I don't think they'll subtract in terms of straight trading guys for futures to re-stock. Even as bumpy as it has been recently, they are a lock for the playoffs and it's the centennial season, not a chance in hell they sell. The Jacobs would fire everyone if they tried to. They also don't have the futures or cap space to add, add, add without subtracting like last year.
What I do think is possible is a re-alignment. We've been through the goalie thing and why it's a pressure point. I don't think they just trade Ullmark now for futures and call it a day, but I do think they could trade Ullmark for futures to free up cap for a second move to bring in a skater. Basically re-allocating cap space from goalie to skater. Similar situation for DeBrusk. The tea leaves seem to indicate they aren't going to extend him, but maybe they can use him as a trade asset to bring in help at center. I think if the end result is something like Ullmark or DeBrusk out and Lindholm (or someone unknown player) in then it could be a net positive for this year and the future.
Kind of a lot to pull off in 26 hours but we'll see. They also could just add a depth F and depth D and call it a day.
Billy Jaffe was on the radio this morning and talked about just how rare goalie trades at the deadline. It's not just plugging a G in and say hey go and make saves. From listening to him, it's akin to trading a QB at the NFL trade deadline. It's not just a plug and play situation. Have to get to know the system played in front and if the angles are different than in the system the goalie was previously in. Mentioned a goalie trades that didn't really work out: Ryan Miller to STL. I don't know that Ullmark will be traded now that I heard Billy this morning.
That's pretty interesting.
On paper that sort of re-allocation is more than reasonable. It's probably a necessity at some point. But my gut says that trading Ullmark now would let too much air out of the team's balloon, so to speak. I dont know if I've watched too much Behind the B or read too many black-and-gold tinted stories, but he seems pretty important beyond the ice.
And DeBrusk alone doesn't return much right now. Unless they just want to re-allocate a rental wing for a rental d-man.
Glad I'm not Sweeney. its a tough needle to thread when the team's not either a juggernaut or a catastrophe.
And listen, if a team like NJ is just desperate for a new goalie that's a totally different situation and then Ullmark could be on the move.
Yeah, goalie trades are rare/unlikely for those reasons plus teams just watched Aiden Hill win a Cup out of nowhere.
Ullmark does have an extra year though so he's not a rental like Ryan Miller was. New Jersey has been the most often linked to searching for goalies and they aren't going to be a playoff team this year so it'd get them a head start. Colorado is also in the market so they'd get 2 runs with Ullmark if they chose.
That extra year for Ullmark might be a leverage point that other teams are using. They know the Bruins have to pay Swayman next year and can’t carry both of them on the cap.
Vegas is the best. Guentzel?
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Seriously. Colorado is lucky they got one in before these guys took over the league. They play the cap like a slot machine.
Devils are sitting Toffoli tonight.
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