(Approaching the) Trade Deadline Thread

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I played around with the armchair GM tool on Cap Friendly and it's not easy for the Bruins to acquire Chychrun from a salary standpoint. It will probably require a 3rd team or retention. To make the cap work, without trading someone unexpected like Grzelyck or Carlo, they would need to move both Smith and Reilly.

Just from a salary standpoint (I realize there will be more in futures and picks), I put in a trade of Zboril, Lauko, Lysell, Reilly for Chychrun and then LTIR'd Lettieri and waived/demoted Smith and was still over hte cap by about $400,000. Smith would probably have to go as well, either in the deal or elsewhere. Our have Arizona retain or launder through a 3rd party. There's also the added complexity of the actual money (Zboril, Reilly and Smith are more expensive in actual cash than their cap hit) and the contract limits (Arizona goes +3 in this scenario bringing them to 47/50) and it's far more complex than it appears on the surface.
 

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I played around with the armchair GM tool on Cap Friendly and it's not easy for the Bruins to acquire Chychrun from a salary standpoint. It will probably require a 3rd team or retention. To make the cap work, without trading someone unexpected like Grzelyck or Carlo, they would need to move both Smith and Reilly.

Just from a salary standpoint (I realize there will be more in futures and picks), I put in a trade of Zboril, Lauko, Lysell, Reilly for Chychrun and then LTIR'd Lettieri and waived/demoted Smith and was still over hte cap by about $400,000. Smith would probably have to go as well, either in the deal or elsewhere. Our have Arizona retain or launder through a 3rd party. There's also the added complexity of the actual money (Zboril, Reilly and Smith are more expensive in actual cash than their cap hit) and the contract limits (Arizona goes +3 in this scenario bringing them to 47/50) and it's far more complex than it appears on the surface.
Clearing cap space is one major hurdle, but I think the other is being able to offer a return that’s better than those offered by other suitors. I think Chychrun is a pipe dream.
 

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Clearing cap space is one major hurdle, but I think the other is being able to offer a return that’s better than those offered by other suitors. I think Chychrun is a pipe dream.
I really don’t see it that way. If a team like LA was willing to deal their top prospects for Chychrun, the deal would have been done by now. Prospects like Byfield and Brandt typically don’t get moved at the deadline. Teams hold on to them, especially a team like LA that is trying to rebuild, but is having some success quicker than they anticipated.

The Bruins are probably willing to deal their top prospects to win now, and guys like Lysell & Lohrei, while not consensus top prospects in the league, are the level of prospects that usually traded by contenders at the deadline.

The biggest issue that the Bruins have is finding another team to take cap dumps.
 

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I would think a bit about moving Lysell but Lohrei isn’t an issue for me. At his already advanced age he’s more likely to be another Brad Hunt than Torey Krug.
 

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Clearing cap space is one major hurdle, but I think the other is being able to offer a return that’s better than those offered by other suitors. I think Chychrun is a pipe dream.
It's going to be a complex deal. LA certainly has the deeper war chest to work with, but the Bruins are apparently right there with them. Whatever the Bruins have offered seems to at least have the Coyotes listening. Beyond the futures value, the cap stuff is going to be complex. LA will need to move money too. They have Cal Peterson burried in the AHL making $5 million a year for 2 more seasons with a partial no trade. If he was the snag in the deal already being done, that's a pretty major snag to work through.

All that said, I don't think the Bruins get Chychrun. They never usually win bidding wars they are rumored to be involved in.
 

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I would think a bit about moving Lysell but Lohrei isn’t an issue for me. At his already advanced age he’s more likely to be another Brad Hunt than Torey Krug.
Krug and Park are 5’9 but Lohrei is 6’4. Am I missing something? Lohrei was better as a freshman than either, Krug’s junior season was the best season of the 3 players.

I haven’t seen Lohrei play at all this year. And you’re right that he’s most likely a Brad Hunt type 3rd pair D. But there’s real value there and he definitely has upside that could be realized.

I’m not opposed to trading him but feel like he’s a real prospect.
 

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Krug and Park are 5’9 but Lohrei is 6’4. Am I missing something? Lohrei was better as a freshman than either, Krug’s junior season was the best season of the 3 players.

I haven’t seen Lohrei play at all this year. And you’re right that he’s most likely a Brad Hunt type 3rd pair D. But there’s real value there and he definitely has upside that could be realized.

I’m not opposed to trading him but feel like he’s a real prospect.
It wasn't a physical comparison (which frankly didn't even cross my mind) but more a shorthand for sheltered third pairing/PP specialist (Hunt) than a guy who can be utilized a bit more though again with obvious limitations (Krug).
 

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If dealing Lysell resulted in a Stanley Cup championship, then I would be all for it.
 
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It's going to be a complex deal. LA certainly has the deeper war chest to work with, but the Bruins are apparently right there with them. Whatever the Bruins have offered seems to at least have the Coyotes listening. Beyond the futures value, the cap stuff is going to be complex. LA will need to move money too. They have Cal Peterson burried in the AHL making $5 million a year for 2 more seasons with a partial no trade. If he was the snag in the deal already being done, that's a pretty major snag to work through.

All that said, I don't think the Bruins get Chychrun. They never usually win bidding wars they are rumored to be involved in.
We don't really know that the bolded is true -- it could just be smoke to get the Kings (or other teams) to up their offers. I can't recall a recent B's trade that was at all telegraphed ahead of time.
 

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B's are about to hit a cap crunch. DeBrusk is due back Thursday, meaning they need to clear about $1.7 million in cap space to activate him. Demoting Lauko leaves them ~$850,000 short. They chould shift Lettieri to LTIR to clear another $750,000, but that still leaves them ~$100,000 short so there needs to be another move.

The most likely transaction is Smith hitting the waiver wire again, but this close to the deadline, a trade can't be totally ruled out. Especially if the cap dump to fit in a trade acquisition is a separate deal instead of rolled into the big deal.
 

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I guess my question is, isn't the Leaf's issue defensemen, not center?

If you are going all in why not go for Chychrun?
The perception of the Leafs is that they are run and gun all offense no defense but the reality is they’ve been an excellent defensive team under Keefe (sometimes killed by bad goaltending). The truth is they’re forwards beyond the big 4 stink and forward depth is a far greater need for them than anything on defense.
 

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Ror has regressed massively this year but he's still a huge upgrade in their bottom 6 and Acciari is a legit above average 4th liners. The leafs improved in two slots significantly as they have 3-4 replacement level bottom 6 forwards playing big minutes. Bummer.
 

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What’s Toronto’s draft picture looking like? I feel like they’ve made a number of splashes over the last few years.
 

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They’re also getting into the back half of their window. They have two players signed beyond 2024-25, and neither of them are the big 4 forwards (FTR, the two guys signed long-term are Calle Jarnkrok and Morgan Reilly). Matthews and Marner are going to want max deals, Nylander will probably want $10M per, and who knows what Tavares’ next contract looks like. They’re going to have some massive decisions to make, and not everyone will go the Giordano route to take less. Along with Dubas not having a contract beyond this season, this has all the makings of an all-in push.
 

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To make their acquisitions work, the Leafs gave up extra draft picks to both StL and Minnesota to retain salary. Is this the norm for cap constrained teams? This feels like a loophole that the NHL ought to think about closing.
 

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To make their acquisitions work, the Leafs gave up extra draft picks to both StL and Minnesota to retain salary. Is this the norm for cap constrained teams? This feels like a loophole that the NHL ought to think about closing.
I would rather the league close the "Kucherov rule" instead first TBH. But i agree its something to consider.
 

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Solid pickups for the Leafs. The East is going to be royal battle with us, Carolina, Toronto and the Bolts. Hopefully, Donnie will close on some impact pieces soon. My preference is still Chychrun at this point who would create a Big Boy top 4 in front of Ullmark and has cost effective term.
 

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FWIW, I’m not a huge Gavrikov fan. Forbort-ish, though I admit I haven’t watched a ton of Blue Jackets games.
 

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Gavrikov is a big unknown to me. Does he slot into the second line D? Or is he more of a depth guy for playoff injuries? Would be pretty disappointed if that's the only move they make. Would really like a top 4 D - feel like that's the weakest spot on this team that needs addressing.
 

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He’s a Carlo/Forbort type. I’m not all that enthused either, especially if it’s a David Savard price tag.
 

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This front office doesn’t leak, so I doubt that this is the guy that they’re in on.
Well, Columbus could have leaked it. All that was (supposedly) said was that Columbus has a deal in place for Gavrikov and the acquiring team needs to clear cap space. It's not like the Bs were called out specifically -- people are just speculating it's the Bs because they're a team that would need to clear cap space and they have been in the market for a LHD.
 

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32 Thoughts news pod today

View: https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1627675995678339077?s=46&t=8NPVRhQvtyKOY9de3Jod6g


On the Bruins, Friedman says moves haven’t happened yet be Iss the Bruins are trying to figure out the roster/cap. He does think Gavrikov was pulled from the CBJ lineup because CBJ was talking to Boston. Thinks the Bruins considered or are considering Chychrun, essentially because if they are going to spend it, might as well spend all of it on a better player (he phrased it weird but that was my interpretation).

Mentions them as having poked around on O’Reilly, but all their focus is on LHD. After that we’ll see what else they can add
 

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Let me preface all this with “flags fly forever.”

I’m really warming up to the idea of Kane.

Chicago went into this season thinking their rebuild would start at the deadline with big hauls from Toews and Kane.

Well Toews is dealing with illness and not being traded, and Kane has done little this year to make himself valuable.

At this point, Chicago may take ANYTHING for Kane if a team he’s willing to go to makes an offer.

I think Kane might still have something left when the games mean something. The dude has great playoff numbers (almost a PPG) and would be getting great matchups on the 2nd or 3rd line when teams line up heavy to stop the Bergeron line. Plus, he’s won 3 Cups. He knows what it takes and his veteran experience might be valuable to the team.

I know he’s a shithead, but again - flags fly forever.
 

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Kane is really the only player I want. Some combo of Reilly, Smith, Greer, and a pick hopefully can get it done.

I am not savy on cap structures so I don't know if retaining any salary helps a trade but having Kane on the third line with Coyle and Hall essentially gives us 4 great lines with Freddie moving to the 4th with Nosek and Figgy.

I like our defense and how Monty mixes and matches given situational hockey.

Both U and Sway are both really good so I don't feel a LHD is a necessity.