(Approaching the) Trade Deadline Thread

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I don't see how that Kane shot is too late (unless the TV clock is not exactly synced with the actual game clock). In this screenshot, the puck is the vertical streak dark streak in the dead center of the net (after having gone bar down).

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I think a lot of the "Jacobs is cheap" talk is overblown, but this is an example of where it's absolutely not. There is no excuse for a big market team like the Bruins to not be front loading every contract (and it's a complete joke they would be back loading deals), other than Jacobs being cheap. Unless there is a weird cap loophole I'm not aware of that makes it a good idea, I'm pretty sure there is not.
The Smith and Reilly contract were both pandemic signings, which I think may have influenced the backload structure. That migh've been a team thing plus a player thing. Team pays less early as they recover financially, player puts less in escrow when escorw is higher.

On their more recent post-pandemic contracts, they typically do front load to some degree. Hall, McAvoy, Carlo, Lindholm and Zacha's upcoming deal all feature more money early in the deal than at the end.
 

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Is that true? The cap hit remains the same regardless, does it not? (I'm not a cap guy, the mysteries of the cap elude me)
The cap hit is the same for every year of a contract, regardless of what years the money is actually paid. Using Smith for an example, and simplifying it: His cap hit is $3.1 per year. The Bruins had a cap hit of $3.1 for the first two years, and only paid him $2.5 per year. If everything else was equal, and they were at the cap the last two seasons, they would have actually been paying $0.6m under the cap. It's not a lot, but it can add up. It also makes players much harder to trade. Taking a quick glance at Toronto's deals, they are paying way over the cap this year, and the next few years. If they trade players towards the end of their contracts and sign new frontloaded deals, they can continue spending way over the cap indefinitely. Not to mention, players will usually take less money when they're getting it up front.
 

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Right, and I said that (albeit in very small text below).

Even though the goal was waived off because it was .01 seconds too late, the dude knows how to score goals, and has a penchant for rising to the moment. There are few Bruins outside of Pasta and Marchand who would even come close to that kind of play with that time remaining.
Even though I did miss the small text at the bottom, I was referring to the tweet. Why do make that tweet referencing showmanship, leaving an organization on a high note, and a walkoff when it didn't count and the game went to a shootout?
 

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FWIW, Friedman''s latest:

Boston Bruins: It’s been a week since Columbus pulled Vladislav Gavrikov from the lineup; everything points to Massachusetts as the landing spot. (And we’re not talking about playing offensive tackle for the Patriots.) It’s believed the Bruins needed another move to make everything work (Mike Rielly? Craig Smith?) and, to this point, the Blue Jackets remain patient.

The biggest question here is, “What else do they do, if anything?” Boston’s got a special chemistry, and the organization balances that with the knowledge this is a go-for-it year. I believe the Bruins had interest in Bo Horvat, but that’s gone now. The cost for Gavrikov will tell us what opportunities remain. They’ve been linked to Ivan Barbashev and Luke Schenn. A few teams have wondered if they’re in on Timo Meier. That might be opponent paranoia, but if it’s this much of a squeeze for Gavrikov — I’d be curious how they could fit the winger.
He also goes on to mention Carloina as a potential landing spot for Craig Smith.
 

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The Smith and Reilly contract were both pandemic signings, which I think may have influenced the backload structure. That migh've been a team thing plus a player thing. Team pays less early as they recover financially, player puts less in escrow when escorw is higher.

On their more recent post-pandemic contracts, they typically do front load to some degree. Hall, McAvoy, Carlo, Lindholm and Zacha's upcoming deal all feature more money early in the deal than at the end.
Ok, the COVID seasons might be a valid reason, things did get wacky financially.
 

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I'm bored and just found out my co-worker (who sits across from me when we're both in the office) died at this desk this morning. Today was supposed to be my day in the office but my boss is on vacation so I stayed home.

Marchand / Bergeron / DeBrusk
Pasta / Krecji / Zacha
Hall / Coyle / Kane
Foligno / Frederick / Nosek (Greer or Lauko)

It makes it move. Not going to lie.
 

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I'm bored and just found out my co-worker (who sits across from me when we're both in the office) died at this desk this morning. Today was supposed to be my day in the office but my boss is on vacation so I stayed home.
Jesus, that's terrible. Hope you're okay and not too shaken.
 

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Yeah man, jeez, that sounds terrible.

I'm not sure where I net out on Kane. On the one hand, he is Patrick Kane and the idea of him on the 3rd line is enticing. On the other hand, I'm not sure he's the best fit. It's basically play with Coyle and pick up the scraps on the PP. Is that the best usage for him? Would he be OK with it?
 

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I don't see how that Kane shot is too late (unless the TV clock is not exactly synced with the actual game clock). In this screenshot, the puck is the vertical streak dark streak in the dead center of the net (after having gone bar down).

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I thought the green light for end of period was tied to the "official" game clock. And once that light goes on, the red light can't.
 
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I'm bored and just found out my co-worker (who sits across from me when we're both in the office) died at this desk this morning. Today was supposed to be my day in the office but my boss is on vacation so I stayed home.

Marchand / Bergeron / DeBrusk
Pasta / Krecji / Zacha
Hall / Coyle / Kane
Foligno / Frederick / Nosek (Greer or Lauko)

It makes it move. Not going to lie.
This is exactly what I want to happen. The addition of Kane gives the Bruins the best/deepest 4 lines in hockey.

Sorry about your co-worker.
 

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I though the green light for end of period was tied to the "official" game clock. And once that light goes on, the red light can't.
Yeah, that's a good point. Tough to tell exactly where the puck is as soon as the green light starts to come on, but I'd say it's more likely than not that it's on the wrong side of the plane of the goal.

EDIT': I'm just glad that they ended up picking up the extra point. They're high up on the list of teams that have a shot at Bedard but I don't want to see get him.
 

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Yeah man, jeez, that sounds terrible.

I'm not sure where I net out on Kane. On the one hand, he is Patrick Kane and the idea of him on the 3rd line is enticing. On the other hand, I'm not sure he's the best fit. It's basically play with Coyle and pick up the scraps on the PP. Is that the best usage for him? Would he be OK with it?
Well, it's not just Coyle. It's also Taylor Hall.

Coyle playing the puck retrieval/possession role while Hall and Kane work their electric magic is...well, enticing.
 

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I'm bored and just found out my co-worker (who sits across from me when we're both in the office) died at this desk this morning. Today was supposed to be my day in the office but my boss is on vacation so I stayed home.
Sorry for your loss, man. Lost a longtime coworker ~3 weeks ago, did not expect it to hit me like it did. Always around to talk, even if it's just shit talking the Habs
 

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I can't see that happening. They have less than a million in cap space.
Agreed. My fear is that he goes to Toronto, which has about 4.5 M in cap space. EDIT: Or maybe they don't. I see conflicting reports. Still fear that he somehow ends up with Toronto.
 

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The Rangers have about eight thousand wingers on their roster but are curerntly playing Jimmy Vesey on the top line so that's an obvious spot for Kane and reunites him with Artemi Panarin, believed to be part of the reason the Rangers are where Kane wants to go.

Making the math work is another story. They don't have any obvious contracts to send out. The ever grumpy Kravstov will go but that's like $900,000. They still need to match up like $5.25 million assuming Chicago retains half. They'll have to launder him through another team most likely.
 

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Agreed. My fear is that he goes to Toronto, which has about 4.5 M in cap space. EDIT: Or maybe they don't. I see conflicting reports. Still fear that he somehow ends up with Toronto.
They have the $4.5 million currently but that's entirely due to Matt Murray's LTIR and he's due back soon so they won't be able to use it for a big acquisition.
 

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The Rangers have about eight thousand wingers on their roster but are curerntly playing Jimmy Vesey on the top line so that's an obvious spot for Kane and reunites him with Artemi Panarin, believed to be part of the reason the Rangers are where Kane wants to go.

Making the math work is another story. They don't have any obvious contracts to send out. The ever grumpy Kravstov will go but that's like $900,000. They still need to match up like $5.25 million assuming Chicago retains half. They'll have to launder him through another team most likely.
Was reading on this and there is a narrow tunnel of opportunity, but just a lot of moving parts.

According to CapFriendly, subtracting Kravtsov from the roster on Wednesday would add just under another $2 million in deadline capital. That would apply if the Blueshirts place No. 74 on waivers Tuesday, regardless of whether he is claimed or clears.
Making like the faux President Bill Mitchell at the cabinet meeting in the movie, “Dave,” you take that, add it to the original $909,000, that gives you around $2.9M, you get the Blackhawks to retain half of Kane’s $10.5M cap hit, you get another team to take half of the resulting $5.25M and voila, Kane’s ultimate cap charge becomes $2.625M that fits and welcome to Broadway, No. 88.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/rangers-can-still-get-patrick-kane-with-this-vitali-kravtsov-move/
 

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Was reading on this and there is a narrow tunnel of opportunity, but just a lot of moving parts.

According to CapFriendly, subtracting Kravtsov from the roster on Wednesday would add just under another $2 million in deadline capital. That would apply if the Blueshirts place No. 74 on waivers Tuesday, regardless of whether he is claimed or clears.
Making like the faux President Bill Mitchell at the cabinet meeting in the movie, “Dave,” you take that, add it to the original $909,000, that gives you around $2.9M, you get the Blackhawks to retain half of Kane’s $10.5M cap hit, you get another team to take half of the resulting $5.25M and voila, Kane’s ultimate cap charge becomes $2.625M that fits and welcome to Broadway, No. 88.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/rangers-can-still-get-patrick-kane-with-this-vitali-kravtsov-move/
Lots of moving parts and if they run into injury issues they may have an issue with bringing players up from AHL.
 

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Did Vegas need to move Weber at all since he's pure LTIR space? Guess it doesn't really make a difference for them beyond balancing contracts
 

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Did Vegas need to move Weber at all since he's pure LTIR space? Guess it doesn't really make a difference for them beyond balancing contracts
I guess it’s more for the off-season. They were going to run into issues with the 10% overage if they kept Weber. They don’t need space this year with Stone out.
 

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The Bruins have some depth after the top 12 forwards: Wagner, Steen, Lauko, McLaughlin. No scorers in that bunch but good fourth-liners. Zacha and Frederic are legit centers if needed.

The top six D corps have stayed healthy. None has played fewer than 43 games. But after the top six the depth is Zboril, Stralman and Reilly.

I assume Sweeney is looking for a depth D man with some size and experience at a relatively small cost in picks or prospects. Gabrikov or Schenn would fit the bill.
 

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I thought the green light for end of period was tied to the "official" game clock. And once that light goes on, the red light can't.
I would have thought that myself, but there was an official ruling to the contrary in the NCAA tournament a year or two ago. Fortunately (from my point of view) the right team won in the overtime without a lengthy extra period.
 

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Hayes is viewed as a long shot due to his contract but could be revisited at the deadline.
The Jimmy Hayes experiment gives pause but I’ve read that the Flyers would retain some of his contract in a trade and if Krejci is done after this year, he would really fit in well next year if the cap hit was closer to 4M versus 7.

It would be important to understand what Bergeron and Krejci’s plans were before acquiring Hayes for 3 more years though.
 

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If they start adding guys with term, I’m not sure how they’re going to be able to give Pastrnak the $12 million AAV that he’s probably going to get, and be able to find another center. Basically I don’t buy this rumor about McCabe.
 

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My guess is if they add a defenseman with term, they will deal Grzelyck in the offseason to recoup some assets.
 

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If they start adding guys with term, I’m not sure how they’re going to be able to give Pastrnak the $12 million AAV that he’s probably going to get, and be able to find another center. Basically I don’t buy this rumor about McCabe.
Trade Grz after the season?