Nice of them to show Manny in a Sox uni while talking about 2008-2009.
Not that I assume he was clean ever.
Not that I assume he was clean ever.
Ed Hillel said:Bosch is making himself out to be a hero, this is pathetic. He's just making it safe, just cares about their health!
A self taught doctor lol.
SemperFidelisSox said:The threats made to Bosch by a known associate of A-Rods were believed to be very credible by the feds involved.
Gash Prex said:Those text messages are devastating - Arods lawyer trying to get claim they are "nutrition" is ludicrous
Average Reds said:Yeah, he's a grifter. Hard to believe 60 Minutes is presenting him as truthful.
Doesn't change the fact that A-Rod is a cheating douche.
Average Reds said:Yeah, he's a grifter. Hard to believe 60 Minutes is presenting him as truthful.
Doesn't change the fact that A-Rod is a cheating douche.
mabrowndog said:Quick question to any docs who can speak to this issue:
Bosch discussed how he instructed A-Rod to provide urine samples drawn from the middle portion of his stream, rather than the beginning or end of urination. He said this because the impurities left by the banned substances would be more concentrated in the beginning and ending portions. Any truth whatsoever to this statement?
Frankly it sounds ridiculous, but obviously I'm Sergeant Schultz on this subject despite being a prodigious pisser.
Don't give urine from your first urination of the day. It's the dirtiest, and can be heavily filled with metabolites. Urinate a couple of times before giving a test sample. Also, don't give the beginning or end of the stream. Piss in the toilet, then quickly stop and go in the cup. Stop, and shift back to the toilet for the last portion. Only give a midstream sample. Just be sure to give 60 cc's.
Montana Fan said:
Since when has 60 minutes had any credibility?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwXE52e9JFg
Sampo Gida said:
Yeah, but can Arod be held accountable for the actions of associates, and if they were so credible, were there any charges?
glennhoffmania said:
I thought they said investigations were ongoing.
maufman said:People get sent to prison every day on the testimony of worse people than Bosch. Assuming you believe the allegations are essentially true (and it sounds like you do), I don't understand your concern.
snowmanny said:What does the decline have to do with it? That's not actual evidence.
King of All Sawdust said:I thought the very end with Manfred was rather telling. Whatever one thinks of Bosch's credibility, nobody in the hearing ever denied what Bosch claimed. Arod is the only player ever to not take the stand in his own defense in these arbitration hearings. He continues to only use the press for his denials.
Reverend said:
This would be cruel. The minor league coaches and many of the players don't get paid nearly enough to deal with that shit storm.
The litigation between Alex Rodriguez and Major League Baseball is far from over. The war of words is no different.
Late Sunday night, a few hours after Biogenesis founder Anthony Bosch’s appearance on “60 Minutes,” Rodriguez’s attorney Joe Tacopina trashed Major League Baseball, commissioner Bud Selig and chief operating officer Rob Manfred for appearing on the program. The special was aired a day after Rodriguez received a full-season suspension for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy.
“Tonight’s further expansion of Bud Selig and Rob Manfred’s quest to destroy Alex Rodriguez goes beyond comprehension,” Tacopina said in a statement. “In a clearly pre-orchestrated display, Selig and Manfred, having known for some time what the result of the arbitration would be (in light of Manfred sitting on the arbitration panel) put forth an unparalleled display of hubris and vindictiveness – complete with Manfred appearing in tandem with the drug dealer Tony Bosch, both in full makeup, celebrating the joint victory of Bosch’s lies and Manfred’s intimidation and payments for testimony. Tonight MLB violated every underpinning of its Basic Agreement and Joint Drug Agreement with the Players Association – which, although it has spoken out in a statement against these actions, clearly does not have the fortitude to act to stop these abuses, as it has not taken advantage of any of its innumerable opportunities to do so over the past year.
“I am sure Selig and Manfred believe this traveling circus serves Manfred's hopes of being the next Commissioner; the departing Commissioner Selig’s hopes of parlaying his success thus far in persecuting Alex into a recast chapter in the history books that would show him as a crusader, rather than the owner that colluded to corrupt the game, and Commissioner that turned a blind eye to steroids for over 20 years while personally profiting from their prevalence to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars; and Tony Bosch's hopes to further capitalize upon his lies through a multi-million dollar book deal that his MLB-provided media agent is seeking to procure for him. But in fact, what they did tonight, in addition to dragging 60 Minutes' name down to the level of supermarket tabloid journalism, is provide the world with further evidence of Bud Selig and Rob Manfred's desperation to sell the fans on the lies that they have paid Tony Bosch to tell.
“Perhaps the clearest message delivered by Selig and Manfred tonight is that their quest to rehabilitate Selig’s irretrievable reputation, and to make Manfred appear tough on PEDs, surely will lead MLB to seek to abolish guaranteed contracts in the 2016 bargaining round, and institute lifetime bans for single violations of drug policy, all while further insulating its corrupt investigative program from any variety defense by accused players, or any variety of objective review. Every MLB player, and indeed every fan, should not only be disgusted by tonight’s Salem Witch Trials display, but they also should be deeply troubled by what it portends for the future trampling of players’ rights, and the distraction and damage this will cause to the game.
“Alex will continue to fight to vindicate his rights – among the fans, and in a genuine judicial forum.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2014/01/tacopina_rips_mlb_bosch.html
soxhop411 said:
Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand18m
Joe Tacopina has a statement that is longer than many books. I will post to the blog in a bit.
Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand14m
Tacopina's statement is a mere 448 words
soxhop411 said:
Daniel Barbarisi @DanBarbarisi8m
Tacopina statement on 60 mins piece really incredible. Highlights: "Salem Witch Trials; "unparalleled display of hubris and vindictiveness"
Ed Hillel said:Selig won't testify at the hearing, but he's glad to plant himself in a chair for 60 Minutes.
BigMike said:They have to walk away from that. If ARod would want to sue to get the HR bonuses, I think he would lose, and the Yankees could make the case, that cutting him was simply a baseball decision, and he simply isn't going to be good enough to fill a role
PaulinMyrBch said:A guy with his own chef, access to doctors and trainers the Yankees employ, with means to hire the best doctors and nutritionists money can buy instead uses a street doctor without a license operating out of a FL strip mall for nutrition advice? Or the guy was the flavor of the day expert and guys in the know we're bragging about clean urine while juicing the same day. Take your pick.
Bosch's claim that Arod came to him because he was envious of Manny is total Bullshit. Arod turned to sleazeball Bosch after his real doctor Anthony Galea got too hot to deal with.Average Reds said:Nice of them to show Manny in a Sox uni while talking about 2008-2009.
Not that I assume he was clean ever.
Ed Hillel said:Because I think it's inappopriate for Selig to discuss the case with 60 Minutes? Arod is a scumbag cheater and narcissicist, but that doesn't mean MLB looks good in any of this either.
Rovin Romine said:Instead of the speculation about how strong the evidence was against A-Rod (beyond noting that it seems pretty strong), let's consider what the 162 means. Future implications for other players, etc.
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Baseball has a three strike rule in terms of PED violations: 50, 100, Lifetime Ban. It also has a "fuzzy" power to ban players for conduct detrimental to the game.
A-Rod's original 211 ban, fits into either a 50 or 100 ban Plus an interference with the investigation/spreading PEDs ban. It's unusual because this is technically the first time A-Rod was caught. So a lot of people equated "the first time being caught" with "a first positive test result" ban of 50 games. That perception was reinforced when the other players banned in the Biogenesis scandal were given 50 day suspensions, with the exception of Braun (who got 65).
The arbitrators final reduction wasn't to 50 or 100 games. So we know the arbitrator did not believe there was only a "first" or second violation on A-Rod's part. Clearly part of this ruling has to be based on the fuzzy "best interest of the game" power. It remains to be seen whether this is for interfering with an investigation or a sort of "enhancement" based on long and sustained PED use instead of a simple "first time positive" (which could logically include anything from catching a chronic cheater the first time he gets sloppy to randomly catching someone who unknowingly ingested a banned substance).
Also, the ban includes the post-seaon (which I'm glad for) and seems to set a precedent that under certain circumstances a team can't have a banned player come back to help them in the post season. Perhaps it's for 162 games, perhaps it's for anyone who ends the season on the banned list - we'll see.
So I think the walkaway is that future arbitrators are not bound by the 50, 100, Life testing penalty structure IF we're dealing with anything that includes a) a player coverup, or b) evidence of extended usage of PEDs (whether this is initially brought to light by a positive test or not). In other words, the bare positive test nets you 50 or 100, but the window can be open for a greater ban, depending on how you handle it and what other evidence of cheating/PED use turns up.
I think this is a good thing given the "Peralta Situation," which really wasn't an incentive *not* to do PEDs. (i.e., you do PEDs early in your free agency year, and, if you get caught, do your 50, play in the post season, then sign a multi-million, multi-year contract.