At the Quarter Pole - an evaluation

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So the Pats are 2-2, tied for second place in the AFC East with the surprising Jets, one game behind the also surprising Bills.

Parcells once famously said that you are what your record says you are. So at this point, the Patriots are a .500 team, an average team. Let's look at where they stand.

Offense
* Averaging 32.5 points per game, after having faced three very good defenses (KC, Hou, and Car). In their games against non-Pats opponents, the Chiefs have allowed 30 points (15.0/g), the Texans have allowed 52 points (17.3/g), and the Panthers have allowed 40 points (13.3/g). Even the Saints have allowed 63 in their non-Patriots games (21.0/g).
- KC: 15.0 vs non-Pats, gave up 27 vs NE. (NE +12.0)
- NO: 21.0 vs non-Pats, gave up 36 vs NE. (NE +15.0)
- Hou: 17.3 vs non-Pats, gave up 36 vs NE. (NE +18.7)
- Car: 13.3 vs non-Pats, gave up 30 vs NE. (NE +16.7)

That's pretty impressive right there from a scoring standpoint. They've put a beating on every team far beyond what they have given up to other teams.

* They are producing prodigious amounts of yards as well. 371, 555, 396, and 373, for an average of 424 per game. Stellar. Presently, they are #1 in the NFL in points per game and yards per game. Also #1 in first downs and they've only committed one turnover. Against 3 of the better defenses in the league.

* Brady has been otherworldly. So far, his stat line is: 103-155 (66.5%), 1,399 yds, 9.0 ypa, 10 td, 0 int, 116.6 rating. Best player in football so far this year, other than maybe Hunt from KC, who has been sick.

* The one downside to the passing game is that Brady has been hit a lot. Too much for a 40-year old guy, IMO.

* The running game, however, has been mediocre. Not terrible, but not great. 124, 119, 59, and 80 rushing yards. Against, again, three of the better defenses in the league. And much of it in shootouts trying to come back. As a team they're averaging just 3.6 yards per carry, which isn't good at all. And their short yardage running game has really struggled.


Defense
* Where to begin? Well, just as the Patriots really have decimated defenses so far when they've had the ball, other teams are doing the same to New England. Their opponents have scored 42, 20, 33, and 33 points. Here's what those opponents have done to non-Patriots opposition:
- KC: 25.5 vs non-Pats, scored 42 vs NE (+16.5)
- NO: 24.3 vs non-Pats, scored 20 vs NE (-4.3)
- Hou: 25.7 vs non-Pats, scored 33 vs NE (+7.3)
- Car: 15.0 vs non-Pats, scored 33 vs NE (+18.0)

* Now, a few comments. Kansas City has looked solid all season so far, but they were spectacular against the Patriots. New Orleans scored less against NE than they did against their other opponents. And Houston...well...that's a separate, special case. Prior to the Patriots game, they had Savage at QB, and Savage is awful. Their second game they played Watson, and that was his first game as a pro. Then with Watson having a tiny bit of NFL experience under his belt, they scored 33 against NE and then 57 against Jacksonville. That's 90 points in two games, or 45.0 per game. So maybe their offense is legitimately terrific with Watson at QB. The Carolina game was really the eye-opener for me. They came in being legitimately bad on offense, and they carved up the Patriots like a Christmas turkey. In Foxboro.

* They're ranked 31st in points allowed and 32nd in yards allowed. This massive negative transformation from a year ago, when they had the top scoring defense in the NFL, has been shocking. Most of the guys are the same: Flowers, Branch, Brown, Hightower, Van Noy, Rowe, M.Butler, McCourty, Chung, Harmon. The changes (out: Nink, Sheard, Long, Ryan; in: Guy, Butler, Wise, Gilmore, Patricia, Belichick) are not enough to turn the best defense into the worst overnight. Are they?????

* The run defense has been bad. They've allowed 531 yards (133 a game) at a rate of 5.1 yards per carry. That's just unacceptable. Running QBs have given them problems (Newton with 44 yards and 1 td on 8 carries (5.5 per), and Watson with 41 yards on 8 carries (5.1 per)), but RBs have had success against them as well. Missing Hightower for two games wasn't helpful, as he's a key member of the defense against the run.

* The real problem has been the pass defense. Opposing QBs - only one of which is a guy that teams really fear throwing the ball (Brees) - have lit up the Patriots. Here are the ghastly numbers:

- Smith: 28-35, 368 yds, 4 td, 0 int
- Brees: 27-45, 356 yds, 2 td, 0 int
- Watson: 22-33, 301 yds, 2 td, 2 int
- Newton: 22-29, 316 yds, 3 td, 1 int
- TOTAL: 99-142 (69.7%), 1,341 yds, 9.4 ypa, 11 td, 3 int, 116.5 rating

* That is just horrendous. They've gotten shredded by opposing QBs up and down the field. Ironically, their best day was probably against Brees, as a bunch of those yards were in garbage time.

* They are middle of the pack in takeaways (tied with several teams for 12th with 5 takeaways). Not great, but not bad either. Combined with their incredibly low giveaways, the Pats are tied for 4th in +/- with a +4 number. So turnovers aren't killing them. They're just allowing tons of yards and tons of points.

Special Teams
* Gostkowski has been terrific, outside of one clanked PAT. He's 8-8 on field goals and hit a great 58-yarder yesterday. And he's 13-14 on PATs. His kickoffs have been solid, and the kickoff coverage unit has been one of the best in the NFL, allowing just 19.3 per return (3rd best in the league).

* Allen has not been good at punting. His average net of 38.3 is 2nd worst in the NFL, and that's not just due to bad coverage (his kicking average is 42.2, third-worst in the NFL, and the Pats are middle of the pack in allowing 7.1 yards per punt return), nor is it due to too many short punts placed inside the 20 - the Pats are 20th in the NFL at that. Allen simply hasn't been very good this year. That doesn't necessarily translate into huge points, but consider it from an expected points standpoint. Every 5 yards of field position is equivalent to roughly 0.25 expected points. Allen has punted 18 times. Let's say Allen improved to middle-of-the-pack in net yards per punt. That would be an improvement of about 5 yards per punt, net. 18 punts over four games = 4.5 punts per game. That's a net of about 23 yards per game. At 0.25 expected points per 5 yards, he's costing them more than a point a game minimum. That 1.25 point per game, given that the Patriots have played two very close games recently, could be huge.

* The kickoff return game has been poor. The Pats have averaged just 18.7 per return, placing them 27th in the NFL. They've been equally poor at returning punts, averaging just 6.9 per return, placing them 25th in the NFL.


The problems with this team are fairly straightforward, at least from a numbers standpoint:
1. Pass defense in the secondary
2. Punting
3. Lack of a pass rush (which we knew would be there but we hoped that stellar secondary play would mask it somewhat; it hasn't)

On the bright side, the GOAT is playing his ass off. And the Patriots do tend to get better as the season goes on (unless injuries kill them). And unless some strange things have happened, the Patriots' coaching staff remains one of the, if not THE, very best in the NFL. And there is still a lot of talent there - remember, the vast majority of defensive players were there last year when they were the #1 scoring defense in the league, and it's not like they lost pro bowl players. So the problems SHOULD be fixable.

Also, we've seen other really good teams have bad losses: Atlanta at home to the Bills (no I don't believe in Buffalo), Dallas getting shredded in Denver and losing to the Rams, Pittsburgh getting beat by the Bears, Denver losing to the Bills (hmmmm...Buffalo has beaten Denver AND Atlanta...maybe I should pay attention to the Bills), Oakland has lost twice, GB barely beat Cincy and got killed by Atlanta, Seattle is just 2-2. It's not just New England that has struggled.
 

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I wonder what practice is like because based on what we see on the field every Sunday one would think this Offense could hang 70 on the defense without breaking a sweat.
 

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Maybe we should have been more concerned about this defense during the preseason. I know tons of subs played, etc., but the Pats gave up 31 to Jacksonville, 27 to Houston, 28 to Detroit, and 40 to the frigging Giants. That's a tidy 31.5 per game. Maybe it means nothing but maybe it was a harbinger of things to come.
 

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Maybe we should have been more concerned about this defense during the preseason. I know tons of subs played, etc., but the Pats gave up 31 to Jacksonville, 27 to Houston, 28 to Detroit, and 40 to the frigging Giants. That's a tidy 31.5 per game. Maybe it means nothing but maybe it was a harbinger of things to come.
Certainly there were a crap ton of huge plays given up in the preseason.
 

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I feel like the Pats and other teams that have had playoff success often have a bad first quarter of the season. I think next couple games will really tell us the story.
 

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My worries are schedule related at this point. I've hated it since it came out. Carolina always gives us issues, so yesterday wasn't entirely surprising. But...

We have a Thursday road game this week. We have 5 home games left, one of which is against the Falcons. We are 1-2 at home and likely a 3rd down stop from being 0-3 at home. We travel to Mexico. The only good thing is we get is Dolphins away in December as opposed to 90+ degrees in an early season game. But for schedule silver lining, that's it unless you count playing Dolphins/Bills 4 times in 5 weeks (prep duplicative) or the bye week before Broncos on the road as noteworthy.

As you would expect from a Pats team, we've shown that we can play 60 and deliver when it matters most, as we've actually had some key stops and scores. If we can fix the defense allowing big plays and communication, we have a chance to look back at this first quarter and say "look how far we've come", but it's not going to be easy. And the schedule gives us ZERO breaks right now when we need it most. Bucs, Jets, Falcons, Chargers, Broncos, Raiders (4/6 on road).
 

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Yeah, but I expect them to come out swinging against Tampa this week, even though Winston is the kind of QB that seems to be giving them problems. Then win on the road at the Jets (and let's face it, I don't care how bad NE is playing, they should beat the Jets, especially with extra days to rest and prepare) and be 4-2 and things are looking significantly better.
 

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Yeah, but I expect them to come out swinging against Tampa this week, even though Winston is the kind of QB that seems to be giving them problems. Then win on the road at the Jets (and let's face it, I don't care how bad NE is playing, they should beat the Jets, especially with extra days to rest and prepare) and be 4-2 and things are looking significantly better.
I expected them to come out swinging against Carolina after how wretched the defense was against Houston, but they played even worse. It's not a matter of effort or will at this point.
 

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BB has said that the first quarter of the season is to figure out what you are. He's gotta know now. Be interesting if there's big changes on the short week.
 

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It's really hard to base much off the preseason performance. Locally, for example, people were calling for a 5-11 season based on how the Redskins performed. If the point is that starters should have played more, I hope there is something to that because it allows for improvement.

Who in the AFC are we clearly worse than at the quarter pole? Kansas City, Denver, Houston and Pittsburgh are gimmes. I would add Oakland too. If I'm right, it has been a long time since we've been the 6th seed, perhaps generously, 25% of the way in.

What makes you cry is that even with its injuries, the offense has been top 5 and Brady first rate. And special teams have been ok.

This points to the worst defense thru 4 than we have probably seen since pre-Parcells.

I'm sitting here in disbelief that I'm writing this.
 

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It's really hard to base much off the preseason performance. Locally, for example, people were calling for a 5-11 season based on how the Redskins performed. If the point is that starters should have played more, I hope there is something to that because it allows for improvement.

Who in the AFC are we clearly worse than at the quarter pole? Kansas City, Denver, Houston and Pittsburgh are gimmes. I would add Oakland too. If I'm right, it has been a long time since we've been the 6th seed, perhaps generously, 25% of the way in.

What makes you cry is that even with its injuries, the offense has been top 5 and Brady first rate. And special teams have been ok.

This points to the worst defense thru 4 than we have probably seen since pre-Parcells.

I'm sitting here in disbelief that I'm writing this.
Same here. Belichick is the best defensive coach in league history. Patricia is one of the top at his position in the league. The defense ain’t the 1985 Bears but there is considerable talent in the secondary, guys who have been elite as recently as last year. Flowers is a playmaking DE. Hightower has been hurt but is a good player when healthy. Something is just...wrong.

I was shocked when the Chiefs walked all over this unit but calmed down the following week when they played well against Brees on the road. Then, Houston and Carolina happened. At home.

I’ve watched good chunks of Carolina’s season due to fantasy football interests and it really cannot be overstated just how bad Cam Newton was in the first 3 week’s. He was fucking terrible. And then he strolls into Foxboro and lights us up like prime Peyton.

I think Jameis is going to torch this defense. Shit, even McCown might. Our defense is the Sox lineup and every QB on our schedule is the mediocre soft-tossing lefty. At this point, I just want to know what the hell is going on. Clearly, Gilmore is a key culprit but there has to be more. Or maybe he’s been so epically bad that he’s dragging down everyone in the secondary. Who knows.
 

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More reasons for pessimism this go round IMO, but it hasn't really been that long. Three years ago the discussion around these parts was whether the Pats could possibly be competitive in a home game against the Bengals in week 5. The Broncos, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, and Chiefs would have been ranked comfortably ahead of the Patriots.
 

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It seems the signs point to Gilmore. Apologies if this doesn't have enough detail, but I'm going off of memory. At one point in the game, Gilmore was lined up on the outside across from a receiver. That receiver moved inside and Rowe came over and you could see him say something to Gilmore. The play began and the receiver crossed from left to right. Both Gilmore and Rowe bracketed him as another receiver was completely uncovered and went up the left seam and then leaned left where he caught the ball for a long gain, if not a TD. During the play, Rowe left the inside man and just ran after the receiver who made the catch. Obviously, something was up and there was a miscommunication - which is odd because there was communication just before the snap. I'm giving Rowe the benefit of the doubt for now due to his experience and success in this D last year.
 
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More reasons for pessimism this go round IMO, but it hasn't really been that long. Three years ago the discussion around these parts was whether the Pats could possibly be competitive in a home game against the Bengals in week 5. The Broncos, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, and Chiefs would have been ranked comfortably ahead of the Patriots.
2014 is instructive, in that significant personnel changes preceded improvement. Whoever the Jordan Devey is on defense needs to be treated in similar fashion.

EDIT: a closer look at the 2014 snap counts reveals the offense personnel changes were broader than I remembered. Not only did they rejigger the interior OL (benching Cannon and Devey, inserting Stork and Wendell and moving Connolly to G), but they seriously upped playing time for LaFell (61% to 88%) and Gronk (51% to 84%) while benching Thompkins / Dobson.

We've already seen some tinkering - Adam Butler's PT was way down last week, Branch was down again, Richards has seen his snaps drop every week, Chung sat in favor of Harmon, Guy and Roberts have been playing more - but obviously it's not enough.
 
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It's really hard to base much off the preseason performance. Locally, for example, people were calling for a 5-11 season based on how the Redskins performed. If the point is that starters should have played more, I hope there is something to that because it allows for improvement.

Who in the AFC are we clearly worse than at the quarter pole? Kansas City, Denver, Houston and Pittsburgh are gimmes. I would add Oakland too. If I'm right, it has been a long time since we've been the 6th seed, perhaps generously, 25% of the way in.
Oakland and Houston aren't gimmes. Oakland is woeful right now and Houston has a rookie QB who has played incredibly well, but he is a rookie and their defense isn't exactly Denver level awesome.
 

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The Pats "highly touted in preseason" running backs have been a disappointment. Gillislee has been meh, and neither Burkhead nor Dion Lewis have stood out. Only James White has contributed much in the passing game. Granted, the Pats have been forced to pass a lot, but I've yet to see much contribution from any of them.

And the Pats run defense has been god-awful as well (5.1 yards/carry allowed, 2nd worst in the league after the Jaguars). There has literally been nothing good to see outside of Brady, Gronk, and the receivers. EDIT: And Ghost.
 

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So BB says the first quarter of the season is to see what the problems are. I'd assume the second quarter (which brings us to the trade deadline) is to fix them, the third quarter is to jell, the fourth quarter is to roll, and the fifth quarter is to win the fucking Super Bowl.

I think they are right on track. I think BB and MP will do their things, the defense will be much better by December (maybe not great, but good enough), and the Pats will again be right in the mix for a home game in January. They won't be 19-0 this year, but they will be one of a small handful of teams with legitimate SB aspirations. I'm not sweating.

It goes without saying, of course, that all this is contingent upon the continued good health of TB.
 

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My worries are schedule related at this point. I've hated it since it came out. Carolina always gives us issues, so yesterday wasn't entirely surprising. But...

We have a Thursday road game this week. We have 5 home games left, one of which is against the Falcons. We are 1-2 at home and likely a 3rd down stop from being 0-3 at home. We travel to Mexico. The only good thing is we get is Dolphins away in December as opposed to 90+ degrees in an early season game. But for schedule silver lining, that's it unless you count playing Dolphins/Bills 4 times in 5 weeks (prep duplicative) or the bye week before Broncos on the road as noteworthy.

As you would expect from a Pats team, we've shown that we can play 60 and deliver when it matters most, as we've actually had some key stops and scores. If we can fix the defense allowing big plays and communication, we have a chance to look back at this first quarter and say "look how far we've come", but it's not going to be easy. And the schedule gives us ZERO breaks right now when we need it most. Bucs, Jets, Falcons, Chargers, Broncos, Raiders (4/6 on road).
The overall strength of the schedule is tough — the AFC West and NFC West round-robins are probably the toughest possible draw. (AFCW is the league’s toughest division by acclamation, and the NFCS QBs consist of a future HOFer, the past two MVPs, and Winston). But the Pats’ divisional foes are in the same boat, and their sked is significantly easier than being in the AFCW. (I don’t see a prospective #1 seed in the North or the South, no matter how easy their schedules are.) So there’s no cause to complain — 11-5 will likely be good enough for a first-round bye.

I’m a glass half-full guy on the timing. The Pats only play 1 division opponent in their first 10 contests. This is a good break for a team that needs to improve as the season progresses if they’re going to contend.

The Pats are 2-2, with both losses coming against likely playoff teams. 3 of their next 4 games are ones they should win, though it’s unfortunate that the toughest of those 3 (@TB) is on a short week. After that is the bye leading into what we would’ve identified as the two toughest games on the schedule prior to the season (@DEN, vs OAK) — that’s fortuitous timing. That brings you to Thanksgiving, followed by the divisional stretch run.

If the Pats can get to the bye at 5-3, or even 4-4, I think we’ll look back on the schedule as a blessing if they’re better in the second half. If they don’t improve, then I think we all agree it doesn’t matter.
 

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Good way to start the second quarter of the season. Tough road win against a quality opponent, now 10 days til their next game against the Jets. Good chance to be 4-2 after six.

Last night's encouraging signs:

- Hogan and Amendola and Cooks. The WR corps really did some nice work last night, despite a drop by Cooks.

- The running game. Got in gear last night. 23 carries for 113 yards (4.9 per). One huge run by Lewis, so that was nice. One huge loss in there by Lewis as well, which wasn't so nice. But a bunch of 5-9 yard runs mixed in. Happy with how the run game went last night.

- Gilmore was MUCH better last night. McCourty as well.

- Gostkowski was nails. It's good to see him back as his usual assassin self.

- Winning despite losing the turnover and penalty battle - that was solid.

- Allen and the punt coverage was really good last night too. Field position matters.

- No new injuries, as far as I know. That's always good.


Last night's discouraging signs:

- Brady's horrid interception. Gads that was a terrible throw.

- Brady taking a bunch more hard hits. He can't keep getting hammered like this. I don't blame Brady for the fumble - he was blindsided thanks to no pass protection.

- Run defense - Overall the yards were fine (just 90 allowed), but they got gashed a bunch of times.

- The STUPID STUPID penalties. Holy crow when did this team just get rocks for brains?

- Too many stalled drives. Against better teams they'll need to have touchdowns, not field goals.
 

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I know I’m a broken record, but I’ll say it again — keep an eye on the schedule. They’ve got games against 3 defending division champs in the rear-view mirror, plus @TB on a short week and NO in the Superdome. That’s a helluva 5-game stretch.

The road gets easier from here. They’ve got one more tough opponent before the bye (Atlanta in two weeks), and two tough ones immediately following the bye (@DEN, OAK), but they’re likely to be favored by at least a touchdown in 6 of their other 7 remaining contests (@PIT being the exception).

The defense looked respectable last night, even if they needed a lot of luck to hold the Bucs to 14. If that’s what we can expect the rest of the way, the Pats still won’t be quite as good as we expected before the season, but they’ll be a top-tier contender in a year where the league lacks a truly dominant team.