Nearly every ITPHR should be ruled an error. This one no different. Lost it in the lights.
They're beginning to look bad for not trading Ohtani and getting a return. He definitely would've brought more in return than a draft pick.
It feels like this loss was a ripple effect of the O's series, which stretched the Seattle bullpen on Saturday and Sunday.
When the relief pitcher who should get the W has a bad pitching line, the official scorer has the leeway to award the W to another reliever and they seem in those cases to always give it to the one with the best pitching line, in this case Romero. This year they seem to be doing this a bit more frequently (although fantasy players would know much better than me), maybe to try to help 'wins' be taken slightly more seriously again? MLB could start with dropping the 5 inning minimum rule for SPs in this new era, if that was what they are aiming for.
The scorer has the ability to award the win to "the most effective pitcher" but I'm not sure Verhagen can get a Hold in that situation.
Yeah. Not moving him was always going to be a huge mistake, but if it's any consolation, they were always going to make it.
Thanks yeah - re the bolded, I'm sure I asked a similar question earlier this year. In years past I think it would be a very clear BS, W for Gallegos, and S for Romero. The trend towards greater individual discretion seems strange though.
He has more leverage right now over his employer than maybe an employee has ever had. If I were him, I would instruct my agent to tell the Angels "Stay out of the bidding, we will conduct it without you. Once there is a top bid, we will bring it back to you, and if you will match that offer plus add $200M for back wages (additional years to be agreed on), then I will happily come back and do my best for the only MLB team I have played for. Otherwise, it was fun, see you a few times each season."
Yeah, that's strange, but maybe the point is that Verhagen did his job with the lead either way so changing the W to a different pitcher shouldn't affect him. It all seems somewhat random, heh.
I don't see a world where the Angels would pay that kind of premium or where Ohtani would take them over a team that is set up to win in the next 5 years.
I understand not just giving the win to the guy who blew the hold; that's bothered me for awhile now when the rules allow the scorer to assign it to a reliever that pitched well. Even if wins aren't the best stat statistically they still mean something.
Yeah, I have been saying for a long time I think he is a lock to the Dodgers, I just love the claw-back idea in theory.
Hmm dunno about this. My recollection was that it was not aimed at him but more at LatAm players, and he just got caught up in it. I could be misremembering. But at the time not every team even believed that he could do both at an elite level. The book was yeah he'll probably succeed as a pitcher but he can't hit MLB pitching, just bust him inside all day. Then like so many Japanese pitchers he inevitably got hurt and missed time on the mound anyway.
This I agree with, but it's going to be fun to see. I really really really don't want him to go back to the Angels though. I'd like to see him win.
Jeff Sullivan at Fangraphs went into it before he signed originally, I posted about it back in your original thread:
Thanks, fun to re-read a bit of that thread. I still don't think it was aimed specifically at him, but you could be closer on the total dollar figure it cost him, who knows.
Just a regular squeeze, no? The runner didn't break for home until after the bunt.
In real time, I thought the runner took off on the pitch, but on replay, yeah it was more of a safety squeeze. Still a great play.
