Barmore stays a Patriot: 4 years/up to $92 million extension
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Nice to see them pay their good players and not let them play out the final year of their original deals.
“Maximum value” implies incentives. We should know in the next few days.
This is turning out to be a silent but significant shift in how the Patriots are doing business. They have a very significant amount of incentives floating out there. I wonder how they are accounting for them? Maybe they have some kind of rudimentary algorithm. Bill didn’t do too much of this. He probably preferred cap certainty. The Patriots are doing deals that allow players to bet on themselves.
Incentives make me a little leery, because they can threaten to pit coaches against players at the end of the year. But by and large this seems to be the new normal for the club.
It is also something to take into account when looking at cap space — it may be misleading since so many of these incentives have been NLTBE.
This is turning out to be a silent but significant shift in how the Patriots are doing business. They have a very significant amount of incentives floating out there. I wonder how they are accounting for them? Maybe they have some kind of rudimentary algorithm. Bill didn’t do too much of this. He probably preferred cap certainty. The Patriots are doing deals that allow players to bet on themselves.
Incentives make me a little leery, because they can threaten to pit coaches against players at the end of the year. But by and large this seems to be the new normal for the club.
It is also something to take into account when looking at cap space — it may be misleading since so many of these incentives have been NLTBE.
I think he'd get significantly more in the open market if his 2024 replicated last year. Very happy with this deal, they have the money, no reason to have this hanging over the team and player.
Thrilled with the years and dollars (thought he might get more per year), Barmore is exactly the type of player you give a second contract to and build your defense around, great stuff.
If this is through 2028 then he plays 2024 at his current cap hit right?
If so, wouldn’t that mean the Patriots still have $54m? That’s so much space this late in the offseason. I wonder what their plan is? They may still be looking for a big trade somewhere or just to have a shitload of space in 2025.
If so, wouldn’t that mean the Patriots still have $54m? That’s so much space this late in the offseason. I wonder what their plan is? They may still be looking for a big trade somewhere or just to have a shitload of space in 2025.
Miguel says $41.8m guaranteed. (Won’t link twitter but you know where to find it if you still go there.)
Love this deal. Very happy to have Barmore anchoring this D for the foreseeable future. Looking for White to improve over last year as well.
Doubtful that it doesn’t impact the cap. it has lots of guarantees. Just have to wait to see.
Huge. It was increasingly clear he’s a premium cornerstone player, and with the way the top DT market is going they saved a good deal locking him up before he sniffed FA.
If you figure they are buying out a year they had him under control for $1.8 million, I don’t think so. If I had guessed, I would have said $50m, but this is within the zone. Sounds like they basically gave him $40 million to do a deal adding some years. It probably will turn out to be a real 3 year deal.
You never know of course but I don't see the bolded being an issue that will come up with Mayo at the helm.
I don't think that's right. The last several years a lot of the contracts have been pretty heavy on game day roster bonuses. He always seemed to have significant workout bonuses
So are the 4 years technically 2024-2027, or 2025-2028?
Edit: answering my own question, it's through 2028
Edit: answering my own question, it's through 2028
I think in many cases those were LTBE. So Bill’s method was to give incentives and then have the possible upside of cap savings the next year(s) if not earned. I admit that I did not follow it all that closely and could be wrong, but that seems likely since Bill had several years where he was not carrying over much space.
With the contracts signed this off-season, many of the incentives have been NLTBE. I have a post somewhere breaking some of it down after Uche, but I counted over $20 million. Those incentives present the possibility of a tax bill, not credit.
I would imagine his relationship with Mayo and Covington factors in here. Not that he's taking a discount, but he is choosing to forego the open market.
Only the 13th highest IDL salary per Perry
View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1784956301664997623
View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1784956301664997623
Awesome. Locks up a very good player and prevents a future need. Also another good indicator that if you play well here, you can get paid. Stay healthy and keep up the positive trajectory. The FO is stacking good, incremental moves in the right direction.
I could never be an agent. I would be such a chicken shit. Basically the calculus is how much do I need to risk injury or serious regression? He was due to make less than $2 million this year. Once the numbers got over $20 or $30 million in guarantees, I’d start panicking. Really takes nerves to be in that game.
So when thinking about competitive window and rebuilding, this contract is a marker. After 5 years, Barmore is past his prime and maybe gone. Also Maye's rookie deal will be up. 2024 is almosst certainly going to be a noncompetitive year, but if they aren't building towards success next year and entering contention in years 3,4,5, then they will have failed.
Isn’t it much more if they aren’t good in a few years it’s because Maye sucks? Why does the length of a DT’s second contract have any bearing on the competitive window for a franchise? Like, even the Rams had to go and get Stafford to win a title and they had the best DT in the history of the game. This contract matters because you probably don’t want to sign the next one, not because championship windows are determined by DTs.
What is the cap impact of the extension this year? Curious if they’re getting the brunt of it on this year’s books when we have a lot of space and and making it less impactful in future years when we’ll be more likely to aggressively add to the team.
I don't think Barmore's position has anything to do with it. But he is their best defensive player and now locked in during the Maye rookie contract window.
If Maye is as good as some of us believe he could be, their window will last until his retirement. Is he's not, money won't buy you a contender.
Pleasantly surprised they locked up a 24YO cornerstone DT and didn't have to give him top 3 $$ at the position. You would think given his current level of play and the fact he isn't even in his prime yet a reasonable contract would have been at least top 5. This contract could be a steal just a year or two from now.
Happy with this contract and in general with the FO this offseason. They're building with incremental, solid moves.
a little optimistic that either of those guys will be around in 8 years.
if they can keep them together at a high level for the next 4 years through the end of Gonzalez’s rookie deal + 5th year option, it’s a win.
hopefully in 4 years we’re all talking about extending Maye to a mega contract because he’s awesome and that will make a second contract for Gonzalez + paying Barmore again difficult to manage. Good problems to have though
He also drafted QB, TE, T, G and C who all ended up getting top 5 or better money at their position.
We'll know when Miguel posts it, but my guess is that main impact for this year will be some extra cap impact in the form of 1/5th of whatever amount of the $40 million is signing bonus. He may also get guaranteed salary this year, which would be added to the cap. If there are incentives, we need to know if they are LTBE or NLTBE. An incentive for 8 sacks would be LTBE and would count on this year's cap. An incentive for 9 sacks would be NLTBE and would only count on next year's cap (if reached). A pro bowl incentive would be NLTBE, as would a playoff incentive, etc.
Edit -- here's the text of Miguel's most recent tweet: "It may take a couple of days before we learn the details of the Christian Barmore. It is safe to say his extension increased his 2024 cap number thereby decreasing the Patriots salary cap space number. I can’t say at this time by how much. I leave it to others to guess wrong."
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Wondering what Warren Sapp thinks of this deal. And reminding myself to take pre-draft (and post-draft) analysis with many grains of salt.
How much are teams still able to move cap forward/backward each year? So much space, you'd assume they'd be sucking in as much future cap as possible.