Agree... think it would start at Benintendi/EdRo. If Reds are willing to put Votto on the table, I'd expect they'd require young/controlled MLB-ready talent or complete uber-prospects (e.g. Moncada/Devers, not Travis).For me I'd love to get votto as his skillset and hitting intelligence lends itself to age very well. Although i can't see the Reds doing it for the price the sox would be willing to pay.
Much like the Dalvin Cook situation, Chapman is a monstrous human being.So MLB suspended him for shits and giggles? That wasn't even the first incident that police had to respond to at that house with Chapman and his girlfriend. If you think that the fact that there were conflicting stories or that the police couldn't get enough cooperation to press charges means there was "no evidence" of the physical stuff, I don't think we're going to find common ground on this. I think it's incredibly naive to just assume the physical violence was made up.
And again, you're not addressing the fact that he got angry enough to shoot the wall in his garage. That alone is enough to steer clear, but I don't think you can just assume the domestic violence accusations were made up.
I think Taz is toast.Given the lack of pressing needs on the roster, I'd rather the Sox make small/speculative moves rather than any splashy trades. Their outfield is set, and they can probably pull from organizational depth to fill in the bullpen (assuming Uehara is retiring). I would like to see Tazawa and Ziegler retained -- the mid-level market isn't going to produce much better. Maybe they could make a run at one of the Cubs' relievers (Chapman excepted) but I hope they don't go over market to sign those guys. Keep the powder dry until an obvious need arises.
He might reject it simply because he likes playing in Cincinnati and would rather not leave. Brandon Phillips vetoed a trade to Washington last winter, so the notion of wanting to stay in Cincinnati isn't exactly a wild one. Maybe they find it to be a nice place to live and work despite the fortunes of the team of late.You think Votto would reject a trade from the Reds to the Red Sox? Why? The deal is far more likely to break down over the Reds asking for more than the Sox want to pay.
A big part of that veto was because no one would pick up his option.He might reject it simply because he likes playing in Cincinnati and would rather not leave. Brandon Phillips vetoed a trade to Washington last winter, so the notion of wanting to stay in Cincinnati isn't exactly a wild one. Maybe they find it to be a nice place to live and work despite the fortunes of the team of late.
Given the state of baseball profits these days even the Reds should not have a problem carrying Votto's salary. The contract should not be a problem for them going forward. In a vacuum he's overpaid going forward - especially as he ages. But the contract only becomes a problem if they need to pay their own homegrown future talent and add some quality FAs. So there's no immediate urgency to get rid of him.We were talking about a potential Votto acquisition in the Wild Card game thread.
Votto is 32. He is owed $22 for 2017, and then $25 through 2023, with a $20m club option and a $7m buyout for 2024. So either 7/179 or 8/192, pending the option. That's a ton. I think the option gives it an AAV around 22. He'll be 40 in 2024.
Votto's left handed. He hits for considerable but not elite power (24 HR/600 PA), but hits for average very well and gets on base like very few other players this side of Barry Bonds. He's an amazingly disciplined hitter, who has had two seasons with more walks than Ks, and two more within three. He's popped up on the infield fifteen times in his career.
Career line: .313/.425/.536. OPS+ since age 23: 127, 125, 156, 171, 155, 177, 156, 125, 174, 160.
(Take a second and contemplate the possibilities: Betts, Bogaerts, Votto, Ramirez, Sandoval, Pedroia, Bradley, Catcher, Benintendi)
The Reds are bad. They probably won't be much good for a few years, and the Cubs look to hold onto that division for a few more years. By the time he could be the difference maker for the Reds, he'll likely be an older player. If they have any interest in getting out from under Votto's deal — and I'm not sure they do, but I see why they might — now's the time to do it. He's a sixth of their payroll.
I think a moderate prospect package (built around Sam Travis?), with the Reds eating $20-40m, is pretty reasonable.
No one likes Cincinatti. People who live in Cincinatti dream of one day living in Cleveland.He might reject it simply because he likes playing in Cincinnati and would rather not leave. Brandon Phillips vetoed a trade to Washington last winter, so the notion of wanting to stay in Cincinnati isn't exactly a wild one. Maybe they find it to be a nice place to live and work despite the fortunes of the team of late.
Based on what? You're making a shitload of assumptions about that situation in order to dismiss a very real concern about him. You'll need to do more than wave your hand at it.Much like the Dalvin Cook situation, Chapman is a monstrous human being.
The chances of there being no physical marks if he did what was being reported is incredibly low.
I'd encourage you to reconsider the phrase "monstrous human being". You don't know the man at all, really. What you think you know *about* him is certainly not good. But we all know that people are much more complex than that.Much like the Dalvin Cook situation, Chapman is a monstrous human being.
The chances of there being no physical marks if he did what was being reported is incredibly low.
I mean, who knows, but he sure seems to not want to be traded:You think Votto would reject a trade from the Reds to the Red Sox? Why? The deal is far more likely to break down over the Reds asking for more than the Sox want to pay.
Yeah, anyone who wants to drag that kinda bs--by which I mean the broad dismissiveness towards other posters wondering if criminal history which we know is a factor in Boston sports team decision making anyway--is, well...Since when does being against domestic violence and reckless use of s firearm make one a "SJW"? We're not talking about a guy who made an insensitive remark or invaded somebody's safe space. There are plenty of examples of why you don't want to make an eight figure investment in a guy who is one loose waistband or bad ricochet away from maiming himself or going to jail (or both).
I was referring to his SIZE. The dude is 6'4.I'd encourage you to reconsider the phrase "monstrous human being". You don't know the man at all, really. What you think you know *about* him is certainly not good. But we all know that people are much more complex than that.
A lot of people think Belichick, for example, is a colossally arrogant ass, mainly because of how he treats the media in interviews and press conferences. But when you read stories from people who actually spend time with him, he's way way more humble and generous and caring and personable than he ever appears when a microphone is in front of his face.
Generally good people can do some awful things. Generally bad people can do some good things. You - like the rest of us - have this one image of Chapman now, and it's a pretty bad one. But any of us could lose it in a moment. I'm not defending his actions in any way. I'm just saying that when we read a story like this, we should be a little more careful about throwing out the phrase "he's a monstrous human being", when frankly, we don't really know the guy at all.
You use the phrase as you want. I'm just saying that even though he did a very bad thing, he's probably more complex than a simple "he's a monstrous human being" label would imply. He's probably not a "monstrous human being". He's probably a fairly normal guy that has some issues.
EDIT: Re-reading your post...maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Not sure now.
Heh. Well, like I said... It's possible that I misunderstood what you were saying. My apologies.I was referring to his SIZE. The dude is 6'4.
Yeah that's fine.Heh. Well, like I said... It's possible that I misunderstood what you were saying. My apologies.
(though my larger point stands as a general principle)
That contract actually isn't all that bad if you assume a free agent win cost is at 8 mill and will go up 5% each year with inflation (not a guarantee, but considering it was 7 mill in 2013, it is on pace). By the time he hits 38 in 2022, the cost of a win will be closer to 10.5 mill, he won't have to do a whole lot to earn that, and shedding a 22 AAV contract will be really easy in 6 or 7 years.We were talking about a potential Votto acquisition in the Wild Card game thread.
Votto is 32. He is owed $22 for 2017, and then $25 through 2023, with a $20m club option and a $7m buyout for 2024. So either 7/179 or 8/192, pending the option. That's a ton. I think the option gives it an AAV around 22. He'll be 40 in 2024.
We know that Chapman discharged his gun because he apologized for it. As for the choking allegations, well that's not for me to decide. But I would rather exercise caution in these situations.Based on what?
These are all good points Grimshaw. I've also been thinking about the new CBA, which Manfred was just talking about as a fait accompli. It's hard to say from the outside, but no one would be surprised if the CBT thresholds went up pretty sharply in response to all of this new TV money, right?That contract actually isn't all that bad if you assume a free agent win cost is at 8 mill and will go up 5% each year with inflation (not a guarantee, but considering it was 7 mill in 2013, it is on pace). By the time he hits 38 in 2022, the cost of a win will be closer to 10.5 mill, he won't have to do a whole lot to earn that, and shedding a 22 AAV contract will be really easy in 6 or 7 years.
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Agree. And even the smaller market teams like the A's and Rays who are pushing to move to more favorable venues, will likely have moved by then and thrown some cash around. The Yankees haven't set the market in a while either, so you have to think that's also coming.These are all good points Grimshaw. I've also been thinking about the new CBA, which Manfred was just talking about as a fait accompli. It's hard to say from the outside, but no one would be surprised if the CBT thresholds went up pretty sharply in response to all of this new TV money, right?
That could increase the $/WAR ratio in a hurry in a way that might make contracts signed under the old CBA look affordable.
Carson Smith should be back.Clearly the bullpen is what the Red Sox will need to work on.
If Koji still wants to pitch next year, I expect they'll sign him. My expectation is he retires as a Red Sox, which may be as soon as the post-season ends.I think that Koji should be a thought as well. If they don't bring him back, I fear that he returns to Baltimore, since he still lives there. It would suck being shut down next year in the 8th by Koji before facing Britton.
The woman's brother happened to be at the house and got between them. You should have stopped at Aroldis Chapman is a monstrous human being. That is true in several meanings of the word monstrous. No thank you.Much like the Dalvin Cook situation, Chapman is a monstrous human being.
The chances of there being no physical marks if he did what was being reported is incredibly low.