Boychuk Traded to the Islanders for Picks
- Thread starter Greg29fan
- Start date
I agree with cshea - splitting up Hamilton and Chara, as well as pairing Hamilton with Seidenberg, would help - however, I'd go for the following:
Chara - Miller
Seidenberg - Hamilton
Krug - McQuaid
When Bartkoswki plays:
Chara - Krug
Seidenberg - Hamilton
Bartkowski - McQuaid
My reasoning is pretty simple - Miller is a slightly better skater than McQuaid to my eye, in that McQuaid is more upright and prone to getting beaten by a chip up the boards past him (much as Chara is). Miller paired with Chara at times last year, and has the advantage of better gap control. When someone tries to chip past him, he's usually closed the gap enough to make contact and cancel out the attacker without taking an interference penalty, leaving his center and d-partner to chase the puck. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Plus having a pairing with two guys who can do 30+ pull-ups consecutively would have to be some sort of record.[/SIZE]
IMO Miller will establish himself as a regular if that change is made - but if he is still rotated out at times, I'd like to see Chara with Krug and leave Bartkowski/McQuaid as an extremely sheltered 3rd pair.
Regarding the trade, I think it's obvious they miss Boychuk to some degree - but also that their issues run deeper on the blue line than having Boychuk could have helped. They still aren't breaking the puck out effectively, and Boychuk was arguably chief offender among those who'd bank the puck off the end boards behind the B's net instead of making a first pass out of the zone.
They're going to have to add someone on the blue line by deadline day - and I have a feeling Andrej Sekera would be a great fit among the UFA-to-be crop.
Chara - Miller
Seidenberg - Hamilton
Krug - McQuaid
When Bartkoswki plays:
Chara - Krug
Seidenberg - Hamilton
Bartkowski - McQuaid
My reasoning is pretty simple - Miller is a slightly better skater than McQuaid to my eye, in that McQuaid is more upright and prone to getting beaten by a chip up the boards past him (much as Chara is). Miller paired with Chara at times last year, and has the advantage of better gap control. When someone tries to chip past him, he's usually closed the gap enough to make contact and cancel out the attacker without taking an interference penalty, leaving his center and d-partner to chase the puck. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Plus having a pairing with two guys who can do 30+ pull-ups consecutively would have to be some sort of record.[/SIZE]
IMO Miller will establish himself as a regular if that change is made - but if he is still rotated out at times, I'd like to see Chara with Krug and leave Bartkowski/McQuaid as an extremely sheltered 3rd pair.
Regarding the trade, I think it's obvious they miss Boychuk to some degree - but also that their issues run deeper on the blue line than having Boychuk could have helped. They still aren't breaking the puck out effectively, and Boychuk was arguably chief offender among those who'd bank the puck off the end boards behind the B's net instead of making a first pass out of the zone.
They're going to have to add someone on the blue line by deadline day - and I have a feeling Andrej Sekera would be a great fit among the UFA-to-be crop.
Because Rask has not faced a lot of shots this year - only about 20 per game - so the defense in front of him isn't all bad.Blacken said:
The way Miller looked going down the tunnel we might get a chance to see what Bart can do. Or can't as the case may be.
Safe to say this was easily the best trade in the NHL thus far, for the NYI.
What would be the going rate for Boychuck today, at least a 1st and a decent prospect, quite possibly a 1st and a 2nd.
Add on that NYI got an extra 50+ games out of Johhny instead of typical 20 you get at the deadline and this was highway robbery.
Of course the B's are probaby not sellers but rather buyers if Johhny is here for the full season.
Point is the trade was at best meh for the B's and a homerun for NYI who did really well between this and the Nick Leddy trade.
What would be the going rate for Boychuck today, at least a 1st and a decent prospect, quite possibly a 1st and a 2nd.
Add on that NYI got an extra 50+ games out of Johhny instead of typical 20 you get at the deadline and this was highway robbery.
Of course the B's are probaby not sellers but rather buyers if Johhny is here for the full season.
Point is the trade was at best meh for the B's and a homerun for NYI who did really well between this and the Nick Leddy trade.
the going rate for Boychuk would be a better, but older, player. Or a slightly worse player that was signed long term.
The trade was bad for the Bruins not necessarily because of where the picks were, but because they were contenders this year and were making themselves worse for this year in the hopes of being better in the future if he walked.
He would have been a better asset holding to the trade deadline and trading for a top line winger (if, which is a no now, we would have been deeper and better on D)
The trade was bad for the Bruins not necessarily because of where the picks were, but because they were contenders this year and were making themselves worse for this year in the hopes of being better in the future if he walked.
He would have been a better asset holding to the trade deadline and trading for a top line winger (if, which is a no now, we would have been deeper and better on D)
whoopsTheShynessClinic said:
The most annoying thing about this is that we didn't actually get to see what the kids can do. Bartkowski, Trotman and Morrow have played 59 games combined while McQuaid, Seidenberg and Miller have played 146. Morrow wasn't great but in limited time Bart and Trot's possession numbers were a good deal better than the latter three, but they were buried until Miller finally couldn't play. You don't think a guy returning from major surgery could get some time off every once in a while?
We basically know what we have in Miller and it's frustrating that his slow unskilled ass was a mainstay in the lineup even while playing with a shoulder than needed surgery. But he hits!
Nit-pick...The 2nd round pick this year is Philly's, not NYI's natural 2nd rounder. It's closer to the top half of the round than the bottom half.
The Boychuk and Leedy trades were two of the best trades in Islanders history. Leddy looks like a perennial all star if he stays healthy, and everyone here knows exactly what Boychuk brings to the table. That said, there aren't many GM's that ever get to tank for seven years at the cap floor, while waiting for their lease with Nassau county to expire. The Islanders have been building for 2015 since 2007, were able to draft a franchise player, a top notch supporting cast, and had cap space to take advantage when the time was right.
Now they are moving to Brooklyn with ownership that is not going to hold the team hostage to get their hands on real estate, and are going to want results. It will be a fun ride, and only a 20 minute subway ride from my apartment.
Now they are moving to Brooklyn with ownership that is not going to hold the team hostage to get their hands on real estate, and are going to want results. It will be a fun ride, and only a 20 minute subway ride from my apartment.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
You can ignore the salary cap if you want to, but the team still has to abide by it.
The lesson that should be learned here is that if there's anyone they plan on trading in the offseason (or not re-signing), they should do it right now.
Jettisoning Paille, Campbell, and one of McQuaid/Bartkowski would have also done the job. That's my real frustration with the Boychuk trade, and to get a similar player will take > the 2 2nds they acquired IMHO.
Boychuk will get silly money on his next deal so I don't think re-signing him was an option - but the lateral nature of acquiring a likely inferior defenseman for a similar price instead of trimming perfectly replaceable pieces on the roster is maddening.
Boychuk will get silly money on his next deal so I don't think re-signing him was an option - but the lateral nature of acquiring a likely inferior defenseman for a similar price instead of trimming perfectly replaceable pieces on the roster is maddening.
PedroSpecialK said:
I wish capgeek was still around, but it still would have been very close, I think. They still need to pay people to play on the 4th line. And that assumes you find a team willing to even take those contracts on for nothing. I don't think anyone would have taken Campbell, he's declined pretty severely and he wasn't great to begin with. McQuaid was coming off a big injury so who knows what his value was on the trade market.
Anyway, whether the Boychuck trade was dumb or not, it shows that you get pennies on the dollar in the offseason. If they're planning on trading anyone this offseason, they really should do it now and get legitimately valuable pieces back. Or else they're going to be in the same position the next 5 years. The only way they're going to get back to being at the top of the conference is to acquire and develop young, cost controlled talent. Not by trading young talent for rentals.
With Robins, Cunningham, and Fraser on the roster they could have done it, I believe.
Plus: Boychuk ($3.367m)
Minus: Campbell, Paille, McQuaid ($4.467m)
Going off NHL numbers:
Forwards
Bergeron - $6.5m
Lucic - $6.0m
Krejci - $5.25m
Marchand - $4.5m
Eriksson - $4.25m
Savard - $4.007m
Kelly - $3m
Smith - $1.4m
Söderberg - $1.008m
Fraser - $0.625m
Cunningham - $0.6m
Robins - $0.6m
Total for forwards: $37.74m
Defense
Chara - $6.197m
Seidenberg - $4m
Boychuk - $3.367m
Hamilton - $1.494m
Krug - $1.4m
Bartkowski - $1.25m
Miller - $0.8m
Total on D: $18.508m
Goalies account for $7.6m
2013-14 cap overage: $4.779m
Grand total against the cap: $68.627m
Salary cap: $69m
Opening night lineup would have been with 7 D-men until they could get Savard on LTIR, or they could have 'sent' Dougie down for game 1 and gone with zero healthy scratches.
It was a slim margin, but they could have made it and lived with an unproven fourth line - obviously in hindsight, it's one that couldn't have possibly been worse than Paille - Campbell - Gagne/Cunningham were for the majority of the season.
Plus: Boychuk ($3.367m)
Minus: Campbell, Paille, McQuaid ($4.467m)
Going off NHL numbers:
Forwards
Bergeron - $6.5m
Lucic - $6.0m
Krejci - $5.25m
Marchand - $4.5m
Eriksson - $4.25m
Savard - $4.007m
Kelly - $3m
Smith - $1.4m
Söderberg - $1.008m
Fraser - $0.625m
Cunningham - $0.6m
Robins - $0.6m
Total for forwards: $37.74m
Defense
Chara - $6.197m
Seidenberg - $4m
Boychuk - $3.367m
Hamilton - $1.494m
Krug - $1.4m
Bartkowski - $1.25m
Miller - $0.8m
Total on D: $18.508m
Goalies account for $7.6m
2013-14 cap overage: $4.779m
Grand total against the cap: $68.627m
Salary cap: $69m
Opening night lineup would have been with 7 D-men until they could get Savard on LTIR, or they could have 'sent' Dougie down for game 1 and gone with zero healthy scratches.
It was a slim margin, but they could have made it and lived with an unproven fourth line - obviously in hindsight, it's one that couldn't have possibly been worse than Paille - Campbell - Gagne/Cunningham were for the majority of the season.